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Reply #15 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 3:43pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 2:33pm:

How does one separate the individual from the collective? The individuals whom you hold such warm affection for are equal members as those whom you hold contempt for. They all are members of the same community.

No contradiction at all, Grasshopper.

Some of my best friends fought on the side of Hitler and the axis powers, but I certainly don't approve of most of the Nazi manifesto.

There were those who wore the uniform while being de facto apostates of Hitler's ravings ~ and marched with the True Believers so as not to end up in Auschwitz .... just as there are de facto apostate secularists in the Muslim community who are otherwise careful to utter the same cant and mantras as the Fundamentalists so as to avoid stigma, ostracism, and victimisation from within their community.

At one time I had a Chinese female boss who the other Chinese quietly told me had been a leader in the Cultural Revolution which murdered God Knows how many 10's of 1000's of 'intellectuals' throughout China.

She came to Australia and reinvented herself. She and I got along very well together. One of the other Chinese women there had been a professional ballerina in northern China.

They had no ambitions for setting up their own insular nation-within-a-nation here in Australia as the Muslims do. No Korans, burqas, hijabs, halal, and all the rest of the separatist crap.

No fatwa death contracts, no mosque-building, no riots in the city demanding 'beheadings', no murderous terrorists languishing in our maximum security prisons, no 'Cronulla Riots' involving Chinese youths intimidating Australian girls at the beach, etc etc.

If you think there are no heavily chinese populated suburbs in Australia then you better go get your head checked.

Wasn't there a chinese/Singapore event last week in darlingharbour where non Asians weren't allowed in?

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Re: An interesting convert to Islam
Reply #16 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty?

Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore?

I am happy he isn't in power but was removing him worth so many lives? The ends do not justify the means. Cheesy

Removing Saddam was a shocking mistake.

His Police State Secret Police ~ with their torture chambers and their secret mass graves throughout the country maintained peace and harmony throughout the country.

So okay, there was the occasional midnight knock on the door by the Secret Police, but it was for the common good.

And yes, it's true that one of Saddam's sons did have a human shredding machine that was occasionally used on the Iraqi National Soccer team if they performed badly against foreign teams.

But hey ... it got results. Cool

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Reply #17 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:21pm

wally1 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

If you think there are no heavily chinese populated suburbs in Australia then you better go get your head checked.

Where did I say that?

wally1 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Wasn't there a chinese/Singapore event last week in darlingharbour where non Asians weren't allowed in?

Good point.

That really surprised me. It made the news for all the wrong reasons. White people trying to visit the event were fairly rudely sent packing.

Later, the Damage Control police in the tabloids paved it over with apologist nonsense about it all being 'a misunderstanding' etc etc...

It's the only time in living memory (mine) that an ethnic cultural event hasn't welcomed everyone to come enjoy the festivities.

This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course .... Roll Eyes

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: An interesting convert to Islam Reply #18 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 5:22pm Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:21pm: This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course Evidence?
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Re: An interesting convert to Islam
Reply #19 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 5:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course

Evidence?

It was a festival in celebration of Malaysia.

Your paranoia is showing.

I don't know why you keep fighting it. You're educated enough to know that Islam is a very sick puppy so far as other religions are concerned ~ with 10 Muslim nations having stoning to death for adultery, homosexuality, apostasy, and blasphemy.

As a civilised person you must be feeling an awful sense of shame and embarrassment that the practice of Islam is so medieval and barbaric.

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I won't remind you again that 19 women were raped in the centre of Cairo by Muslims within a period of only 2 weeks. If that is the culminating result of 14 centuries of Islamic saturation in Arabic society ~ then it might be time you people opted for a different religion ~ or no religion at all.

tsk. Sorry. I forgot. You guys get Death fatwas put upon you for deserting the faith, don't you?

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Re: An interesting convert to Islam
Reply #20 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

Big Dave wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty?

Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore?

Today at your kids school some parents got together and blew up the school. There was was this bad bully at the school and they got him. A lot of other kids were killed in the explosion too, maybe your kid, we're not really sure. But they got the bully - that's the main thing right?

Are you happy that they got rid of the bully? Cheesy

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Reply #21 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 9:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty?

Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore?

I am happy he isn't in power but was removing him worth so many lives? The ends do not justify the means. Cheesy

Removing Saddam was a shocking mistake.

His Police State Secret Police ~ with their torture chambers and their secret mass graves throughout the country maintained peace and harmony throughout the country.

So okay, there was the occasional midnight knock on the door by the Secret Police, but it was for the common good.

And yes, it's true that one of Saddam's sons did have a human shredding machine that was occasionally used on the Iraqi National Soccer team if they performed badly against foreign teams.

But hey ... it got results. Cool

And American soldiers are better than saddams men are they?

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Re: An interesting convert to Islam
Reply #22 - Oct 25^th, 2013 at 9:19pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course

Evidence?

It was a festival in celebration of Malaysia.

Your paranoia is showing.

I don't know why you keep fighting it. You're educated enough to know that Islam is a very sick puppy so far as other religions are concerned ~ with 10 Muslim nations having stoning to death for adultery, homosexuality, apostasy, and blasphemy.

As a civilised person you must be feeling an awful sense of shame and embarrassment that the practice of Islam is so medieval and barbaric.

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I won't remind you again that 19 women were raped in the centre of Cairo by Muslims within a period of only 2 weeks. If that is the culminating result of 14 centuries of Islamic saturation in Arabic society ~ then it might be time you people opted for a different religion ~ or no religion at all.

tsk. Sorry. I forgot. You guys get Death fatwas put upon you for deserting the faith, don't you?

Whats the link to this festival?

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: An interesting convert to Islam Reply #23 - Oct 26^th, 2013 at 6:55am wally1 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 9:18pm: And American soldiers are better than saddams men are they? Are you 'Wally1' in the same way as 'Banana 1 and Banana 2'? Wake up to yourself.
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Reply #24 - Oct 26^th, 2013 at 6:34pm

I long favoured the removal of Saddam Hussein from power but it was obviously justified by a cassis belli which was effectively a lie. I am of course referring to the WMDs - Weapons of Massed Distraction. This was obvious as George W. Bush and his administration deliberately set out to manufacture one. In the end, even they admitted that the WMDs was the only issue which the entire government could agree, despite it obviously being a lie.

The best point at which Saddam should have been removed was 1991. However, instead of seeking "regime change" the US buckled to pressure from Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Syria - key members of the coalition raised against Iraq, which did not want to see a democracy established in Iraq which would call into question the legitimacy of their regimes. Well, while it was delayed, the "Arab Spring" has definitely come about to question that.

The 2003 invasion also meant that Usama bin Laden was allowed to escape from Afghanistan. The US forces which were pursuing him in the Pushtan borderlands were withdrawn to take part in the wild-goose chase looking for WMDs in Iraq.

Ultimately, after examining the evidence one suspects the real reason why George W. Bush pursued the removal of Saddam Hussein was personal. Who can forget his exclamation that Saddam had, "tried to kill my daddy!"? It served no real purpose in the "War on Terror(ism)"(tm). Saddam's Iraq was not, despite the claims of Dick Cheney, a supporter of al Q'aeda. It was not pursuing the development of WMDs and had destroyed all it's stocks of those, immediately after the 1991 war, as part of the armistice.

Saddam needed to be removed and a great deal of the angst before, during and now after the war could have been avoided if George W. Bush had admitted that the failure to remove him in 1991 had been a mistake and it needed to be corrected, for the sake of the Iraqi peoples, rather than build the façade of lies which were created to justify it.

It may not though, have avoided the causalties. More than like the same idiotic mistakes would have been made in the Occupation of Iraq as occurred. However, it would have perhaps justified the Butchers' Bill more easily.

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:15am

Islam and the Darwin Awards:

Nicolas Bons, a young convert to Islam from a comfortable middle class French background, has died fighting in Syria barely four months after his half-brother met the same fate, their father said Monday.
In a story that has provoked bewilderment, the mother of 30-year-old Nicolas was informed by text message from the frontline that her son had been "martyred" on December 22 in a suicide truck bombing in the Syrian province of Homs, the father, Gerard Bons, told AFP by phone from his home in French Guiana.
Nicolas's half-brother Jean-Daniel had died in fighting at the start of August. He was 22 and had been introduced to radical Islam by Nicolas, who had himself announced his conversion to his parents in 2009.

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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: An interesting convert to Islam Reply #26 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 3:35pm Whatever happened to true colors and hotbreath?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: An interesting convert to Islam Reply #27 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 3:51pm hotbreath only had one reply, and I kept deleting it - so I guess there's no longer any reason for him to be here true colours I miss - but his memory lives on in my sig
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Reply #28 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:37pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim. Cheesy

First question:
"Why is a former member of Geert Wilders' anti-Islamic Party for Freedom – who made a film claiming Muslims are violent – tweeting from Mecca?"

Answer:

1. Because he is no longer a champion of freedom.

2. Nor is he a champion of mankind's God-given right to self-determination:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_p...

3. Nor a champion of our God-given right to freedom of speech:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm#death_penalty_blasphemy

4. Because he obviously never investigated the history of Mecca.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196

5. Because he obviously never investigated the origin of the rituals of the Hajj and Umrah - like the Sa'ee:

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance.....
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

6. Because he never investigated the origins of Islam:
http://www.brotherpete.com/origins_of_islam.htm

7. Or the origins of Ramadan
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm

Compare his new slave status and his now qualifying for the death penalty for "apostasy" by statute, of so many Islamic slave States, that is leaving Islam to begin a life in Jesus Christ. Compare the death penalty for exercising his God-given right to self-determination henceforth of his new anti-religion, with the testimonies of former Muslims at the link that follows that went the other way, and instead of trading freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination for the slavery of an anti-religion, instead traded the slavery of Islam for a new heart, and real freedom in Christ Jesus.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/

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Reply #29 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim. Cheesy

First question:
"Why is a former member of Geert Wilders' anti-Islamic Party for Freedom – who made a film claiming Muslims are violent – tweeting from Mecca?"

Answer:

1. Because he is no longer a champion of freedom.

2. Nor is he a champion of mankind's God-given right to self-determination:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_p...

3. Nor a champion of our God-given right to freedom of speech:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm#death_penalty_blasphemy

4. Because he obviously never investigated the history of Mecca.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196

5. Because he obviously never investigated the origin of the rituals of the Hajj and Umrah - like the Sa'ee:

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance.....
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

6. Because he never investigated the origins of Islam:
http://www.brotherpete.com/origins_of_islam.htm

7. Or the origins of Ramadan
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm

Compare his new slave status and his now qualifying for the death penalty for "apostasy" by statute, of so many Islamic slave States, that is leaving Islam to begin a life in Jesus Christ. Compare the death penalty for exercising his God-given right to self-determination henceforth of his new anti-religion, with the testimonies of former Muslims at the link that follows that went the other way, and instead of trading freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination for the slavery of an anti-religion, instead traded the slavery of Islam for a new heart, and real freedom in Christ Jesus.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/

Or to put it simple, maybe he didn't like christinaity like the thousands of people who leave Christianity for other religions?

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