Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:15am:


So what?
Greenland melts...it disrupts the Atlantic conveyer...stops the Gulf Stream and before you can say Jimminy Cricket...you have an ice sheet again...only bigger...then you can have lots of sea ice...you should be up there with a hair dryer!

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:43am:


Rant, rant, rant, blah, blah, blah,... you've got nothing

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:


When did the first mammals appear in earths history?

When did the first hominids appear?

You want to return Everybody and everything to the comforts of a 0.7% CO2 atmospheric level?

Where do you get your lies from?

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:



Well you brought it up. What was the air temperature and the sea bed temperature?

How many doublings of CO2 to get to 7000ppm? Start at 300ppm.  (The actual figure from Geocarb III is between 2000 and  8000 ppm.)

Allow 3 degrees per doubling as a rule of thumb. Multiply the number of doublings by 3 and add 4 degrees (current deep ocean temperature.) That should give you the approximate ocean floor temperature during the Cambrian period, with the usual high error for 500 million years in the past.

What do you get? Does that come close to Boiling Point?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:


Again...you misrepresent me...and greenhouse gases for that matter...ALL OF THEM...they are beneficial and make the planet habitable.

300 double that 
1. 600 double that
2. 1200 double that
3. 2400 double that
4. 4800 double that
5. 9600.

let's say 4 and a bit doublings at 3 degrees per doubling. 12-16 plus 4 = 16-20 degrees C deep ocean temperature. The deep ocean was where life existed during the Cambrian Period.

Of course it's more than that because of feedbacks.  The estimates that I've seen show average ocean temperatures of around 40 degrees C and average atmospheric temperatures of around 50 degrees during the Cambrian, but obviously cooler than that on the ocean floor. 

Then you'd have to take into account the very different ocean currents, the totally different landmass configuration, the difference in the sun's luminosity and quite a few other factors.

Now what was your argument again? I must have missed it.

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:


...and that estimate does not take into account any predictable and unforseen tipping points

you seem to have found another fired in here muso

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


you seem to be very friendly with muso - do you know him>?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:


I'm friendly with everyone...didn't I say I liked you...despite all the nasty and hurtful things you've said about me.

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


What happens to the vapour pressure of H2O as you drop the temperature?

The good old Clausius-Claperyon equation

P = A exp (- DHvap / R T)

And if you have two (T,P) conditions it looks something like this

     P1      DHvap    1     1
ln (---)  = ----      (--- - ---)
     P2       R          T2    T1


so one would expect the vapour pressure to decrease as temperature decreases

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:


Namgenot has gone to ask Anthony Watts if it's ok to use that equation. 

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:


water is essential for your well being as well, too much at the wrong time in the wrong place and you drown

whats your point?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:15am:

THE PASSING OF 450 PPM is inevitable according to atleast Dr David Mills- the canadian who studied in Australia to come up with i forget the solar thermal mirror blah blah blah of something that wen tto america because australai didn't care etc... i've written this many a time and we all know iT!(IT'S ALL ON YOUTUBE AND I SUPPOSE BEYOND  NOT THAT ANYONE CARES    )

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:


Bump for namgenots

How, where, and when does ice melt at <ZERO CENTIGRADE?


OC

Let me guess, Chimp and "Death Rides a Horse" are the same poster using socks?

muso wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 9:31am:


If that was the case, I wouldn't lie about it in public (or private)

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 6:38am:


Have a look at our history we have had 20 times the amount of CO2 we have today and there was no runaway greenhouse effect.

Why should man's minuscule amount of CO2 emissions be so frieghtening to the IPCC, a political organisation that works for the elite moguls of this world.

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Lets burn them all, that way we will be forced to come up with other alternatives, way before we have exhausted our fossil fuels.

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Look at our history, are you going to try and stop creatures from becoming extinct......???

Its natural evolution and its been happening from day dot.

Your forgetting that at any moment the sun could heat up so much that the amount of natural CO2 that gets thrown up into our atmosphere will eclipse anything man has emitted.

Will you still try to save all the critters that cannot adjust...???

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No i'm not but our history tells us that today we have some of the lowest amounts of CO2 in our atmosphere and we also have some of the coolest temperatures.

There's only one way they can go in accordance with our history and that is up.

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I don't mind paying taxes that go to our government, taxes that go to the United Nations and other international corporations and institutions are a waste of Australian tax payers money.

Tell me why should the UN environmental fund that was developed by that smacking PIG Maurice Strong receive 10% of the revenue of the Australian carbon tax.

Give me one good reason.........................???

Are we going to help this big bring about our downfall.

Because that's what he wants, he wants to destroy the middle class of the western world.

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That is actually a good one for you, if you think man's miniscule amount of CO2 emissions is that damaging the same could be said to you.

Lead the way by example..................!!!!!!!!

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You tell me chimp....????

Tell me why Kerry packer once payed $400 personal tax for that year.

If we did that we would be in jail.......?????

Ajax wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 11:20am:


and yet you place an undying faith in your religious doctrine every time you attend your church group to worship your denialism

This certainly doesn't mean SFA - doesnt it Mr Ajax?

Ajx cant comprehendthat the technological world is applied science and thatconsensus is necessarily a part of businesses applying said science game sdt and matchme yaýyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 6:13am:

Whoah talk about firing neurons

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:


In order to quote some meaningful RATES OF CHANGE, one would need to refer to the peer reviewed scientific literature and use mathematics etc.,

I didn't realise that these THINGS interested crack pot Global warming denialist priests and their church congregations

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

They don't which is why they can't disprove accepted theory 

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:


Like I keep telling you chimp if it wasn't for the skeptics you would believe so many untruths......!!!!!

Its because you lot take the IPCC findings as gospel and don't question it...................??????

That's not how science works dude.....!!!!!

And you turn a blind eye when they tell what they really do stand for.........!!!

Hail Ottmar............!!!!!


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Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:56am:


Plant life which also thrived because we had 7000ppm of Co2 in the atmosphere as well at the time......!!!!!

Plant life uses water and CO2 to form carbohydrates and oxygen.

So we need CO2 and heaps of it.......LOL

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Ok where are you going with that comment.....????

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If you don't provide something to back that statement I would say its bullsh!t.

Why is ajax allowed to quote with out referece when i'm not ? 

muso wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Well u would have te resources go scratch that itch wouldn'tyou buddy but we all notice you aren't expanding on the idea