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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #60 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm

True Colours wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

The whole point of having an Islam forum seems to be so that Freediver and his various sock puppets can spam it with anti-Islam propaganda of the likes one would expect to see from Nazis directed towards Jews.

Makes you wonder what kind of sicko Freediver really is that he would go to such lengths.

There is an awful lot of resistance and opposition to Islam around the world, in a way that simply does not exist against Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religion.

The reason is simple. Islam is bloody, uncompromising, pushy, demanding without any visible merits that may justify its imperious self-perception.

Islam has not brought anything to the world that made it better. That would be OK, as a lot of belief systems are like that. But Islam doesn't keep to itself. It actually wants to be dominant. So of course there is opposition to it. But Islam cannot deal with any opposition or criticism. There is no 'smile of reason' on Islam's face. Never has been and it will disappear without ever knowing what it's like to have it on it's face.

These are bare facts. Everyone sees them, even Muslims.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Please close the Islam forum Reply #61 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 10:46pm yes Soren all the more reason, don't you agree, to delete the whole thread.? Pandering to angry people does nothing but harm. Appeasement does not work. DELETE IT.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Please close the Islam forum Reply #62 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 10:51pm Not at all. The Islam forum should be renamed the 'Danish cartoons' forum. That would truly capture the service it performs - we are all Danish cartoonists if we have any conscience as regards Islam.
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Please close the Islam forum Reply #63 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 11:03pm The whole thing seems very similar to the Jewish guy from Cairns who runs the anti-Islam hate website along similar lines. Shall we mention his name Freediver? (Freediver doesn't like names being mentioned)
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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #64 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 11:03pm

Keep the forum open plse.
How else would people learn about islam ?

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FLOGGING, amputation and death by stoning will be added to Brunei's penal code next year as the oil-rich and increasingly conservative Islamic kingdom applies the strictures of Sharia. The legal shift, to which Brunei has been moving inexorably for several years, was announced by the Sultan, Hassanal Bolkiah.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/sultan-of-brunei-puts-flogging-stonin...

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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #65 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:58am

AaLF wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 6:57am:

It appears that 4-5 years ago a sub forum "ISLAM" was opened. The moderators are gone long time. no doubt sick of the redneck crap espoused every day.

Please close this forum today.

It is totally offensive what is written in there.

aalf,

What is 'totally offensive', about everyone examining what ISLAM's own foundation texts declare ?

aalf,

What could be 'totally offensive', about ISLAM ?

aalf,

If what is revealed about ISLAM in this forum is incorrect,
THEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE WHERE WE ARE IN ERROR,
and correct us, in debate on this forum.

We await your perspicuous argument(s), defending ISLAM and moslems, .....and demonstrating our error.

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THE KORAN....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

THE HADITH....

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Please close the Islam forum Reply #66 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 7:28am AaLF wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 6:57am: It is totally offensive what is written in there. No one has the right not to be offended.
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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #67 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:03am

Soren wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 7:28am:

No one has the right not to be offended.

That is your opinion - not the opinion of most people.

Why is it in European countries a person cannot question the official story of the Holocaust?

Why was a man in Australia prosecuted for sending letters to the families of slain soldiers?

Why were two Australian soldiers just found guilty of sending offensive material over the internet?

Why is it in the West anybody who says anything negative about Jews/Judaism is automatically blacklisted, but it is fine to say anything about Muslims? Can we have a forum on Judaism please Freediver?

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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #68 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:48am

AaLF wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 1:15pm:

Regardless whether this 'abu rashid' returns or not, the forum must close. He has no right to moderate a forum where such filthy abusive language is occurring.

Does he have the on-the-spot power to ban you lot permanently from posting? Of course not. The muslim's job is to give you the message of Islam. The message that Islam is the final religion and that all previous forms of religion are now null and void. The only way to heaven is thru Islam. Become a muslim and save yourself from eternal hellfire.

And that's about it. The message is delivered. All further correspondence is between yourself & ALLAH (The One, True, Unseen God of all Creation, the Prophets, from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus to Mohammad peace be upon them all) and all that exists).

Please close the 'Islam' forum.

I'm thinking maybe you are a spoof account, created just to denigrate islam even further. If not, then its muslims like you who give islam such a bad name, not the bigots who trash it. No genuine muslim would attempt to shut off robust discussion of our religion, they would welcome it. The Quran itself tells us to discuss and reason with those who attack islam with words - not censor them. You just come across as insecure about your religion - as if you don't believe islam is equipped to answer any and all of the criticisms against it. If you are trully passionate about installing the "kingdom of God" on earth, then it will only be done with the persuasion of words - not by brute force and shutting out discussion. Muslims have been attempting the latter route for decades, and look at where it has got us.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #69 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:04am

freediver wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 12:34pm:

I have also suggested to Gandalf that he get in touch with Abu (he knows how) to discuss another handover. Perhaps they don't talk to each other because they are different types of Muslims.

Yes, well when you say "he knows how", all you did was tell me to PM him on aussie muslims - as if I knew all about that site (which I don't).

Anyway, I PMed a guy called 'abu_rashid' on aussiemuslims.com - I don't even know if its the right person, or the right forum (there are a few similarly named sites). I'm still not sure why FD insists on someone else administering his own forum for him, but anyway.

I'm not really expecting a reply from Abu, as the forum seems pretty dead, and I don't even know if I PMed the right person.

If not, then what? Do we just stay in eternal limbo because we didn't get Abu's permission to appoint a new mod? FD could always just do what is done on any normal forum - just keep the old moderator on the off chance he decides to return, but add a new one so that there is at least one regular poster moderating at all times.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #70 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:57am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:04am:

Yes, well when you say "he knows how", all you did was tell me to PM him on aussie muslims - as if I knew all about that site (which I don't).

Anyway, I PMed a guy called 'abu_rashid' on aussiemuslims.com - I don't even know if its the right person, or the right forum (there are a few similarly named sites). I'm still not sure why FD insists on someone else administering his own forum for him, but anyway.

I was a member once, although I didn't make a post. I couldn't access my old membership or even register again.

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I'm not really expecting a reply from Abu, as the forum seems pretty dead, and I don't even know if I PMed the right person.

I've got a feeling he went under another nick there, but Sprintcyclist might remember. I think he was a member at one time.

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If not, then what? Do we just stay in eternal limbo because we didn't get Abu's permission to appoint a new mod? FD could always just do what is done on any normal forum - just keep the old moderator on the off chance he decides to return, but add a new one so that there is at least one regular poster moderating at all times.

These member run boards deteriorate rapidly when there is no moderator to care about them. The SWB forum was unmoderated for years because it was difficult to get in touch with the original moderator. It was trashed - then became a graveyard.

It seems like a good idea to have someone moderate temporarily in case Abu ever decides to come back. If he does and wants to moderate it again - it would be easy to hand it back over.

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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #71 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:38pm

True Colours wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

Soren wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 7:28am:

No one has the right not to be offended.

That is your opinion - not the opinion of most people.

Really?

Where does your right not to be offended come from? Who decreed it?

Your examples are of laws, not rights, thicko. Let go of the Koran and your d!ck and grip onto reality. New sensation. You will feel quite disoriented first but it will mean that you will be joining the sane demographic.
Good luck, it's going to be scary at first but worth it.

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Re: Please close the Islam forum
Reply #72 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:39pm

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The whole point of having an Islam forum seems to be so that Freediver and his various sock puppets can spam it with anti-Islam propaganda of the likes one would expect to see from Nazis directed towards Jews.

Do let us know if any of it is incorrect.

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Oh yeah, I see. Freediver didn't really want an Islam forum, but his hand was forced?

A Muslim asked me for it. I said yes. That's how it works. Ask and ye shall receive.

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His tactic seems to be to spam the forum with anti-Islam propaganda, and then try to appear less extreme by having his sock puppets post even more extreme propaganda.

Yes, it is a wonderful conspiracy. Have you noticed how all the Muslims fall for it?

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Having Abu Rashid as a moderator was a gift for Freediver because it added some perception of legitimacy to the whole thing.

What is the appropriate Islamic punishment for such Muslim collaborators?

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Probably the moderator left when he realised that dealing with the tidal wave of anti-Muslim spam from Freedivers sock puppets is a full-time job that requires resources that most people don't have.

The details about his departure are still publicly available if you are interested.

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It's up to FD though to make the decision. You can only put suggestions out there. It would be a loss to Ozpolitic if the Islam Board was completely trashed. It helps make Ozpolitic egalitarian and inclusive.

Thanks Mantra.

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Appeasement does not work.

DELETE IT.

You want me to not appease you by doing what you ask? Who is it more important to not appease?

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Shall we mention his name Freediver? (Freediver doesn't like names being mentioned)

I would advise against it. You are welcome to link to his site, provided the content is not illegal etc.

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That is your opinion - not the opinion of most people.

Actually it is the opinion of most people. At least people who live with a semblance of freedom.

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Why is it in European countries a person cannot question the official story of the Holocaust?

I think Germany is the only one. It is probably something to do with the holocaust.

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Why was a man in Australia prosecuted for sending letters to the families of slain soldiers?

Because he is a moron.

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Why were two Australian soldiers just found guilty of sending offensive material over the internet?

I know the answer to this one too. Was it because they sent offensive material over the internet?

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Why is it in the West anybody who says anything negative about Jews/Judaism is automatically blacklisted

By who? Is this another conspiracy?

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but it is fine to say anything about Muslims?

People are judged based on what they say. Freedom of speech does not mean people can't think you are a moron if you say something stupid.

Gandalf:

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I'm thinking maybe you are a spoof account, created just to denigrate islam even further.

No Gandalf. Muslims really are like that. Where's the adab brother?

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If not, then its muslims like you who give islam such a bad name, not the bigots who trash it.

That, and Islam itself. You aren't exactly helping either with all your little white lies about it.

But you make a good point. What makes the Islam board so compelling is not the trashing from non-Muslims. It is all the Muslims reinforcing it all, in their own special way. I had this argument with Abu every time he blamed me for people thinking he was some kind of religious extremist.

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No genuine muslim would attempt to shut off robust discussion of our religion, they would welcome it.

Never heard of death for blasphemy, apostasy etc? Were they not genuine Muslims?

And I recall even you arguing for greater censorship when it came to Islam.

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You just come across as insecure about your religion - as if you don't believe islam is equipped to answer any and all of the criticisms against it.

This is a widely held view.

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If you are trully passionate about installing the "kingdom of God" on earth, then it will only be done with the persuasion of words - not by brute force and shutting out discussion.

Yes. That is how Muhammed did it. He talked his way into conquering all of Arabia. This one time, he talked the heads off 800 Jews.

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Muslims have been attempting the latter route for decades, and look at where it has got us.

So militant Islamic expansionism is a new concept?

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Yes, well when you say "he knows how", all you did was tell me to PM him on aussie muslims - as if I knew all about that site (which I don't).

Sorry about that. The site is called aussie muslims.

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Anyway, I PMed a guy called 'abu_rashid' on aussiemuslims.com - I don't even know if its the right person, or the right forum (there are a few similarly named sites).

Sounds about right. I hope you are not a Shite. He does not get on well with them. Perhaps I should have warned you.

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I'm still not sure why FD insists on someone else administering his own forum for him, but anyway.

It gives me more time to pick on Muslims.

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If not, then what?

What would Muhammed do?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116449 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Please close the Islam forum Reply #73 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:45pm Abu left because he was losing every argument - he preferred not to be asked hard questions on another forum. Any other Muslims want to take his moderator place? Have any asked?
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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: Please close the Islam forum Reply #74 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:48pm AaLF wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 8:00am: ... We have been ordered also to put a stop to such vile offensive language. Hence I have asked politely for the sub-forum to be closed within 24 hours. Or else what? And who is giving the orders?
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