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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #90 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:25pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:18pm:

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.However the longer it takes Abbott to remove the carbon tax the more revenue he will collect as the scheme is still in place???

Yeas, and you can bet that Palmer will be reminding him of that hypocrisy. That is......

'Dear Tony, you promised that the very first thing you would do would be abolish the carbon tax. You have been in Government since not long after the 7th September. You must refund all tax paid at least from that date.

Love and best wishes,

Clive."

the CT will be repealed July 1. having a DD before that would be pointless since it could at earlist be March/April.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #91 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:26pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

I just love the double standard from Longstupidone and his ilk

Labor wins an election promising an ETS but libs have a mandate to oppose it

Libs win an election promising to scrap the carbon tax and labor supposedly has a mandate to support them?

Wake up you clown!

so were the liberal right or wrong? or do you even care about apply stsndards across the board? the best thing about this question is that you only have two options 1) be a hypocrite or 2) support the CT repeal.

you will however choose 3) - fail to understand the entire post and come up with some waffle.

it's unbelievable that one can be so dumb!!!! Did you study for it or does it come naturally?

so... Option THREE was what you chose.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #92 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:18pm:

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.However the longer it takes Abbott to remove the carbon tax the more revenue he will collect as the scheme is still in place???

Yeas, and you can bet that Palmer will be reminding him of that hypocrisy. That is......

'Dear Tony, you promised that the very first thing you would do would be abolish the carbon tax. You have been in Government since not long after the 7th September. You must refund all tax paid at least from that date.

Love and best wishes,

Clive."

the CT will be repealed July 1. having a DD before that would be pointless since it could at earlist be March/April.

that's not what Abbott promised longy .... or are politicians keeping their promises no longer a concern?

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #93 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

I just love the double standard from Longstupidone and his ilk

Labor wins an election promising an ETS but libs have a mandate to oppose it

Libs win an election promising to scrap the carbon tax and labor supposedly has a mandate to support them?

Wake up you clown!

so were the liberal right or wrong? or do you even care about apply stsndards across the board? the best thing about this question is that you only have two options 1) be a hypocrite or 2) support the CT repeal.

you will however choose 3) - fail to understand the entire post and come up with some waffle.

it's unbelievable that one can be so dumb!!!! Did you study for it or does it come naturally?

so... Option THREE was what you chose.

What's was the matter? My post was to complicated for you? I've given you my position on where labor should go, countless times ... if you want to ignore it and pretend I have to choose one of your options than I'm afraid you'll be disappointed for a long time.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #94 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:29pm

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well that is one version of a mandate which in your odd world amounts to 'support my own position and nothing else'.

If I get elected on a platform, it is not only my mandate to do all I can to implement it, it is my responsibility to do so to those who voted for me.

Have another go at them apples, melielongtime.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #96 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

you must have been one lousy lawyer with such a poor understanding of what a mandate means

man·date
[man-deyt] Show IPA noun, verb, man·dat·ed, man·dat·ing.

noun
1.
a command or authorization to act in a particular way on a public issue given by the electorate to its representative:

the labor MP's were voted in so that they would vote in a particular way ... labors MP's were never voted in so they could abolish the carbon tax.

now you know why you are a water boy and not a lawyer! Grin

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #97 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:55pm

MOTR wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

True Blue... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

going to the polls..

here's what most people think...

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/carbon.jpg

Which poll, blue?

ninemsn home page...

it'll only allow you to vote once...

you could probably vote more than once if you use the work computer and your mates etc but who could be bothered?

http://ninemsn.com.au/

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #98 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

A parliament full of ultra right wing nutbags....I bet the Aussie people are glad they voted for this bunch of retards Grin

The MOST disturbing "nutbag" aspect is that the ( ... so called) CLIMATE MINISTER and the PRIME MINISTER think that an emissions trading scheme is a TAX

They seriously believe that a carbon tax and ETS are the SAME THING

A government draws ZERO from an ETS

... and THESE are the people we've entrusted our lives with, for the next three years ?

Yeah, but it IS a TAX

NO
It's NOT
It is a free market TRADING SCHEME
A BUYING and SELLING scheme between HIGH and LOW emitters

As an example ...

Hepburn Wind
will sell ( ... well, WOULD have) its allocation of permits to the highest bidder in the dirtiest coal-generated electricity sector

Not ONE DOLLAR passes through ANY government's hands at ANY profit

( ... you seem to be just as ignorant as Abbott and Hunt on the differences)

try telling companies that have to PAY for it that it is not a tax or an impost. your description is artificial.

You never did understand it did you ?????

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #99 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:36am

adelcrow wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 10:23am:

There was a mandate for the ETS and Abbott scuttled it so any talk of mandates by Abbott are nothing more than the rantings of a con man and liar.
In short...Abbott can shove his mandate up his Man Date and bring on a DD asap.

Absolutely.
92 seats in Parliament just aren't enough.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #100 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

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well that is one version of a mandate which in your odd world amounts to 'support my own position and nothing else'.

If I get elected on a platform, it is not only my mandate to do all I can to implement it, it is my responsibility to do so to those who voted for me.

Have another go at them apples, melielongtime.

for a supposed lawyer you have a poor understanding of some words. the clue is the first sentence 'if I get elected..'. labor DIDTN get elected and therefore do not have a mandate for anything. they have their policies for sure but none of them come with a mandate.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #101 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

A parliament full of ultra right wing nutbags....I bet the Aussie people are glad they voted for this bunch of retards Grin

The MOST disturbing "nutbag" aspect is that the ( ... so called) CLIMATE MINISTER and the PRIME MINISTER think that an emissions trading scheme is a TAX

They seriously believe that a carbon tax and ETS are the SAME THING

A government draws ZERO from an ETS

... and THESE are the people we've entrusted our lives with, for the next three years ?

Yeah, but it IS a TAX

NO
It's NOT
It is a free market TRADING SCHEME
A BUYING and SELLING scheme between HIGH and LOW emitters

As an example ...

Hepburn Wind
will sell ( ... well, WOULD have) its allocation of permits to the highest bidder in the dirtiest coal-generated electricity sector

Not ONE DOLLAR passes through ANY government's hands at ANY profit

( ... you seem to be just as ignorant as Abbott and Hunt on the differences)

... your description is artificial.

Which BITS ?

Please SHARE

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #102 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

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well that is one version of a mandate which in your odd world amounts to 'support my own position and nothing else'.

If I get elected on a platform, it is not only my mandate to do all I can to implement it, it is my responsibility to do so to those who voted for me.

Have another go at them apples, melielongtime.

for a supposed lawyer you have a poor understanding of some words. the clue is the first sentence 'if I get elected..'. labor DIDTN get elected and therefore do not have a mandate for anything. they have their policies for sure but none of them come with a mandate.

Longweekend, you have a misunderstanding of "mandate". After a referendum there is a mandate. But after an election ... NO.

The libs took many policies to the election. and the carbon tax was one of them, but I believe 'STOP the Boats' and 'Financial Crisis' were the top two. Regardless, when there were several issues presented, winning the election does not give a mandate for ALL (or any).

There is no doubt that Libs have an obligation to attempt to fulfil their main promises, but even with Labor losing, they also have an obligation to stand up for their main promises, that what they were voted in to do. They weren't voted in to support the government policies if they lost!.

To expect Labor to just concede on every Lib policy is just childish. If a political party gets defeated in an election you suggest that the defeated party should take up all the winning party's policies? We would never have an opposition (I know, that's what the Libs prefer - no opposition, no held to account - just a free rein). But would the Libs ever give Labor a free rein if they lost?

If "mandates" do exist, it was clear that Rudd had a mandate which the libs failed to support in 2008. Why should Labor support Abbott's "mandate".

The only mandate I believe in is a referendum. Winning an election gives the party the opportunity to TRY to implement its policies. In the words of Abbott "Oppositions OPPOSE".

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #103 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

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well that is one version of a mandate which in your odd world amounts to 'support my own position and nothing else'.

If I get elected on a platform, it is not only my mandate to do all I can to implement it, it is my responsibility to do so to those who voted for me.

Have another go at them apples, melielongtime.

for a supposed lawyer you have a poor understanding of some words. the clue is the first sentence 'if I get elected..'. labor DIDTN get elected and therefore do not have a mandate for anything. they have their policies for sure but none of them come with a mandate.

Hooray ..... maybe you'll get there eventually .... Cheesy

that comment is the first right thing you've said in a long time, labor did lose, and they don't have a mandate for anything ... no mandate to remove the carbon tax & no mandate to introduce the carbon tax ... all they have are their policies on which people based their votes to them with. To claim labor has to vote with the libs to remove the carbon tax because of some mandate is ridiculous.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #104 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

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well that is one version of a mandate which in your odd world amounts to 'support my own position and nothing else'.

If I get elected on a platform, it is not only my mandate to do all I can to implement it, it is my responsibility to do so to those who voted for me.

Have another go at them apples, melielongtime.

for a supposed lawyer you have a poor understanding of some words. the clue is the first sentence 'if I get elected..'. labor DIDTN get elected and therefore do not have a mandate for anything. they have their policies for sure but none of them come with a mandate.

What are you on? Many ALP candidates were elected, as have three PUP Senators, all on the basis of published policy, and having been elected, they have a mandate to implement (to the extent they can) that policy.

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