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Reply #15 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:05am

Labor is playing smart.

When the human caused climate change death toll rises beyond acceptable levels, the australian voters will punish the coalition.

Blood on Liberal, National Party, PUP, abd other right wing independents and minor party hands.

The coalition have no where to turn except towards their own extinction.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #16 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:24am

____ wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

Labor is playing smart.

When the human caused climate change death toll rises beyond acceptable levels, the australian voters will punish the coalition.

Blood on Liberal, National Party, PUP, abd other right wing independents and minor party hands.

The coalition have no where to turn except towards their own extinction.

there you are greeny I havent seen you since the amazing news about shorty being made OPPOSITION LEADER...I thought maybe you had applied for one of his quota committees for minority groups I am almost sure you would qualify for the gay marriage committ..what do you think?.

you must be thrilled bill won..he who thinks there should be more minority groups represented in our halls of govt....so get yourself in there whilst he is still hot

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #17 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:31am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Labor are not supporting a carbon tax, they are supporting a market driven carbon price.

A market driven carbon price is very good policy. By far the most effective means to reduce co2 emissions.

If Mr Abbott scraps the carbon tax by transitioning it to a ETS, the he will have Labors full support.

No carbon tax and no ETS is economic stupidity and has very little support in the public.

huh??? did the election result totally elude you? the people DONT WANT A CARBONTAX OR ETS. the point is moot anyhow. if labor refuse to support the repeal it will only be repealed 6 months later anyhow. They are skewering themselves to no avail.

How many people voted for wankjob tony because they want to see the carbon tax repealed?

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Reply #18 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:04pm

When the human caused climate change death toll rises beyond acceptable levels, the australian voters will punish the coalition

This must be the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
That should have been an IF Green, not when. And IF hccc death tolls rise, we won't be worried about coalitions or ALPs . . .we will be a province of China or Indonesia. We're talking about a time far far away remember.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate Reply #19 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:13pm If the Libs believed in mandates we would've had an ETS since 2008 so any bleating from these lying con artists is a waste of time. Just shut up and bring on the DD so we can rid ourselves of these arrogant thieves and charlatans.
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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #20 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

cods wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

____ wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

Labor is playing smart.

When the human caused climate change death toll rises beyond acceptable levels, the australian voters will punish the coalition.

Blood on Liberal, National Party, PUP, abd other right wing independents and minor party hands.

The coalition have no where to turn except towards their own extinction.

there you are greeny I havent seen you since the amazing news about shorty being made OPPOSITION LEADER...I thought maybe you had applied for one of his quota committees for minority groups I am almost sure you would qualify for the gay marriage committ..what do you think?.

you must be thrilled bill won..he who thinks there should be more minority groups represented in our halls of govt....so get yourself in there whilst he is still hot

Cods, do you understand the concept of staying on topic?

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #21 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:04pm:

When the human caused climate change death toll rises beyond acceptable levels, the australian voters will punish the coalition

This must be the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
That should have been an IF Green, not when. And IF hccc death tolls rise, we won't be worried about coalitions or ALPs . . .we will be a province of China or Indonesia. We're talking about a time far far away remember.

No ifs about it ... and it will be within the lifetimes of a lot of readers here.

The hard right are rejecting adaptation to deadly climate change and this they will take to their own graves.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #22 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:52pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Labor are not supporting a carbon tax, they are supporting a market driven carbon price.

A market driven carbon price is very good policy. By far the most effective means to reduce co2 emissions.

If Mr Abbott scraps the carbon tax by transitioning it to a ETS, the he will have Labors full support.

No carbon tax and no ETS is economic stupidity and has very little support in the public.

huh??? did the election result totally elude you? the people DONT WANT A CARBONTAX OR ETS. the point is moot anyhow. if labor refuse to support the repeal it will only be repealed 6 months later anyhow. They are skewering themselves to no avail.

All polls that specifically asked whether you wanted a market driven approach to climate change came out heavily in favour of "yes".

It impossible to believe that Australia would be the first and only every country to undo carbon emissions legislation as the world gets hotter and hotter.

Abbott's opposition to a carbon tax was opportunistic at the time. Hopefully common sense will prevail now.

A) its not getting hotter and hotter. it hasn't gotten warmer for 17 year and prior to that it has risen 0.8 degrees and nothing more.
B) polls that actually ask if people want a carbon tax/ETS actually come out strongly against. most polls hysterics quote are the ones that as 'do you believe in climate change' and then extrapolate that to support for an ETS

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate Reply #23 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:55pm There is no such a thing as a mandate...otherwise we would have an ETS ..just ask phony tony and his merry band of thieves and con artists Bring on the DD...
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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #24 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:17am:

The biggest mistake Labor is making now is in its refusal to join with the Coalition and to repeal the hated Carbon tax. The last election was an effective referendum on the carbon tax

The LibNats have no more a "mandate" on axing climate change action than they do on giving $50,000 in parental leave scheme to already rich households

Bear in mind, ALSO, this whole "mandate" thing lost all credibility when Labor won the 2PP - but lost on seats
A referendum on that day - for the introduction of Costello's GST - would have FAILED, on those figures
Yet Howard and Costello STILL banged on about their non-existent "mandate"

If Abbott TRUELY believes he has a "mandate" on axing climate change action and bringing in his immoral $50,000 in parental leave scheme to already rich households -
he would hold a REAL referendum on BOTH

The $60 million, odd, cost of a referendum PALES in comparison to the $8 BILLION of lost revenue before the ETS was due to formally take over - not to mention parental leave bill ( ... STILL to be costed)

But he WON'T

DESPITE the fact carbon pricing has LITTLE or NO effect on the cost of living
Alcoa's not closing down
And if a Barnaby's $100 leg of lamb hits the shelves ( ... lamb prices actually FELL) it'd be more to do with three quarters of Queensland being in a state of DROUGHT for the past two decades

Most want to keep carbon tax: poll

July 14, 2013

Three out of five Australians don't want to scrap the carbon tax if doing so damages government revenue, according to polling undertaken exclusively for Fairfax Media.

The Lonergan Research survey of more than 1300 people across Australia also found voters were evenly divided over which leader they believed was best equipped to deal with asylum seekers.

The
automated phone poll of 1369 people
( ... the identical method used by Newspoll) was conducted last weekend and revealed
62 per cent of respondents wanted to keep the price on carbon and 38 per cent wanted it
removed even if doing so damaged revenue.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/most-want-to-keep-carbon-t...

The
Australian Labor Party
has a moral duty to speak up for two in three Australians - and climate change awareness and action

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate Reply #25 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:07pm When Phony Tony and his underlings let the parliament know exactly what they want to replace the price on greenhouse gases with then the opposition and minor parties can make informed decisions but until then its just more slogans and hot air from the corrupt ultra conservative expense rorters.
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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #26 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:09pm

____ wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

cods wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

____ wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

Labor is playing smart.

When the human caused climate change death toll rises beyond acceptable levels, the australian voters will punish the coalition.

Blood on Liberal, National Party, PUP, abd other right wing independents and minor party hands.

The coalition have no where to turn except towards their own extinction.

there you are greeny I havent seen you since the amazing news about shorty being made OPPOSITION LEADER...I thought maybe you had applied for one of his quota committees for minority groups I am almost sure you would qualify for the gay marriage committ..what do you think?.

you must be thrilled bill won..he who thinks there should be more minority groups represented in our halls of govt....so get yourself in there whilst he is still hot

Cods, do you understand the concept of staying on topic?

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #27 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Labor are not supporting a carbon tax, they are supporting a market driven carbon price.

A market driven carbon price is very good policy. By far the most effective means to reduce co2 emissions.

If Mr Abbott scraps the carbon tax by transitioning it to a ETS, the he will have Labors full support.

No carbon tax and no ETS is economic stupidity and has very little support in the public.

huh??? did the election result totally elude you? the people DONT WANT A CARBONTAX OR ETS. the point is moot anyhow. if labor refuse to support the repeal it will only be repealed 6 months later anyhow. They are skewering themselves to no avail.

All polls that specifically asked whether you wanted a market driven approach to climate change came out heavily in favour of "yes".

It impossible to believe that Australia would be the first and only every country to undo carbon emissions legislation as the world gets hotter and hotter.

Abbott's opposition to a carbon tax was opportunistic at the time. Hopefully common sense will prevail now.

A) its not getting hotter and hotter. it hasn't gotten warmer for 17 year and prior to that it has risen 0.8 degrees and nothing more.
B) polls that actually ask if people want a carbon tax/ETS actually come out strongly against. most polls hysterics quote are the ones that as 'do you believe in climate change' and then extrapolate that to support for an ETS

so no mandate then. Thanks for clearing that up! Grin

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #28 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Labor are not supporting a carbon tax, they are supporting a market driven carbon price.

A market driven carbon price is very good policy. By far the most effective means to reduce co2 emissions.

If Mr Abbott scraps the carbon tax by transitioning it to a ETS, the he will have Labors full support.

No carbon tax and no ETS is economic stupidity and has very little support in the public.

huh??? did the election result totally elude you? the people DONT WANT A CARBONTAX OR ETS. the point is moot anyhow. if labor refuse to support the repeal it will only be repealed 6 months later anyhow. They are skewering themselves to no avail.

All polls that specifically asked whether you wanted a market driven approach to climate change came out heavily in favour of "yes".

It impossible to believe that Australia would be the first and only every country to undo carbon emissions legislation as the world gets hotter and hotter.

Abbott's opposition to a carbon tax was opportunistic at the time. Hopefully common sense will prevail now.

A) its not getting hotter and hotter. it hasn't gotten warmer for 17 year and prior to that it has risen 0.8 degrees and nothing more.
B) polls that actually ask if people want a carbon tax/ETS actually come out strongly against. most polls hysterics quote are the ones that as 'do you believe in climate change' and then extrapolate that to support for an ETS

Actually it is getting hotter and hotter even during this short period of plateauing in atmosphere temperatures.

NZ Ice levels in the Southern Alps dropped by almost 15 per cent in the past four years

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11138854

There was a similar plateauing in the 1960s followed by record heat.

The upward trend does not go in a straight line even when the trend is for hotter and hotter.

Thank goodness the pro science lefties are on the correct side of this.

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Re: The Carbon Tax Repeal Mandate
Reply #29 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 2:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Labor are not supporting a carbon tax, they are supporting a market driven carbon price.

A market driven carbon price is very good policy. By far the most effective means to reduce co2 emissions.

If Mr Abbott scraps the carbon tax by transitioning it to a ETS, the he will have Labors full support.

No carbon tax and no ETS is economic stupidity and has very little support in the public.

huh??? did the election result totally elude you? the people DONT WANT A CARBONTAX OR ETS. the point is moot anyhow.

if labor refuse to support the repeal it will only be repealed 6 months later anyhow.

They are skewering themselves to no avail.

PUP carbon tax support to cost $10bn

October 14, 2013

CLIVE Palmer is demanding Tony Abbott repeal the carbon tax retrospectively and refund billions in revenue in exchange for his party's crucial Senate support in a move that would enable the businessman to escape a $6.2 million disputed charge for emissions.

The Palmer United Party has formed an alliance with the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party's Ricky Muir, giving the bloc four of the six crossbench votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate without Labor or Greens support from July, subject to a recount in Western Australian.PUP's official policy is to scrap Labor's carbon pricing regime but the party wants the repeal backdated to start of the carbon tax on July 1, 2012, so companies and households can be refunded.

The Coalition's election promise to scrap the tax is not retrospective, and Mr Palmer's push would force the government to refund the $3.6 billion raised last financial year and $6.5bn in receipts forecast this year. "In relation to the carbon tax, we've said that we want it abolished from the day it was introduced because if it's a bad tax, it's always been a bad tax," Mr Palmer told the Ten Network."We think it should be repealed from the date of introduction and the Liberal Party policy seems to be only to repeal it and not worry about the injustices that happened over the last year or two."So we'd want to get clarification on that. We'd want to get some advice, talk to people and have a friendly discussion with Mr Abbott."The Abbott government will press ahead with its plans to repeal the carbon tax, despite lacking the support in the current Greens-controlled Senate.

"We are not waiting for the new Senate," Environment Minister Greg Hunt told The Australian."We will introduce legislation to repeal the carbon tax in week one of the new parliament."We expect the ALP to respect the will of the people and we will not stop until the tax is gone.

Only they can stand in the way of removing the carbon tax. The question is whether the new Labor leadership has listened to the Australian people or is going to continue to support higher electricity prices."In July, Mr Palmer was hit with a $6.2m charge from the Clean Energy Regulator for refusing to pay carbon tax owed by his private company, Queensland Nickel.The carbon price was $23 per tonne of emissions.

Mr Palmer owes $29.90 per tonne as a penalty for failing to pay on time but the Queenslander is pursuing a High Court challenge on the validity of the carbon tax.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/pup-carbon-tax-support-t...

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