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Reply #90 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Well thats a given, haven't met a lefty yet that wouldn't prefer to live under the talibans sharia law than a democratically elected conservative government.

There is a difference? Cheesy

See?

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Reply #91 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

It is going to be a bit of a tragedy for the moderate Muslims. At some point the security services will drop a ball and a bomb is going to go off or some significant atrocity will occur, maybe shooting up a mall or something.

After that attitudes will harden, Muslims will face hatred which will radicalise the other idiots into strapping bombs to themselves in response to the international call for Jihad against the west and then we will see in normally peaceful cities mirrors of streets burning ala France.

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Nope. I'll be blaming the idiots who use prejudice to make their judgements of other people. You admit that the innocent will suffer yet you seem quite happy to see that happen, rather than try and prevent it by combating the opinions which will allow it to occur. How complicit does that make you? Cheesy

Which bit in what I wrote inspired you to think I would be "quite happy to see that happen"?

Perhaps the same place where you found I was a, "self loathing westerner" or that I would be, "applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel"? Cheesy

You want to spread lies and libel about me, then you've set the rules! Cheesy

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You share your brothers swivelling eyes syndrome and cannot see straight or with any clarity ya dopey halfwit.

Really? Care to show a "swivelling eyes" emoticon in one of my posts? Or is this another of your lies about me? Cheesy

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Reply #92 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:44pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

And Brian and Badbreath, self loathing westerners will be applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel or summat.

Well thats a given, haven't met a lefty yet that wouldn't prefer to live under the talibans sharia law than a democratically elected conservative government.

There is a difference? Cheesy

See?

And where did I prove your point? I stated no preference, just mentioned the similarity between the two. Perhaps you need to learn to read? Cheesy

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Reply #93 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:17pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Perhaps the same place where you found I was a, "self loathing westerner" or that I would be, "applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel"? Cheesy

I cant believe I have to explain that, how dim are you? So that would be a no then, you cannot show what part of what I stated,

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

You admit that the innocent will suffer yet you seem quite happy to see that happen,

Your attempts at word games are pathetic.

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Really? Care to show a "swivelling eyes" emoticon in one of my posts? Or is this another of your lies about me? Cheesy

LOL, you think that because there is no emoticon actually called swivelling eyes, it makes me a liar? Please, you are embarrassing yourself. Let me remind you what a lie looks like.

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Brian Ross wrote:DL, I haven't claimed to be an academic. I've never been employed as one nor claimed to hold any academic standing. That is a product it appears of your febrile imagination. I'll leave you to keep up your strawmen arguments yourself.

Then the lies.

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Brian Ross wrote:I have been a published academic at several points in my life, Sappho. ?

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Brian Ross wrote:Actually, DL, I referred to several webpages before I typed that out, to make sure what I remembered from my academic days was correct.

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Brian Ross wrote:You must move in very different academic circles to myself

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Brian Ross wrote:Funny, is that why whenever I or anybody else bring up their academic qualifications or knowledge you attack them personally? ?

But keep posting the silly emoticons with the swivelling eyes, they pad out and demonstrate with clarity how little you actually have to say.

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Reply #94 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Perhaps the same place where you found I was a, "self loathing westerner" or that I would be, "applauding from the sidelines and probably blaming Israel"? Cheesy

I cant believe I have to explain that, how dim are you? So that would be a no then, you cannot show what part of what I stated,

And you can't provide any proof that I am "self-loathing" or that I "blame Israel" for everything. DL, you're a fool. Cheesy

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|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

You admit that the innocent will suffer yet you seem quite happy to see that happen,

Your attempts at word games are pathetic.

As against yours? You fail again. Cheesy

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|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Really? Care to show a "swivelling eyes" emoticon in one of my posts? Or is this another of your lies about me? Cheesy

LOL, you think that because there is no emoticon actually called swivelling eyes, it makes me a liar? Please, you are embarrassing yourself. Let me remind you what a lie looks like.

You won't find any "rolling eyes" emoticons either. Yes, that makes you a liar. Cheesy

Your way of hate has failed you. Posting supposed quotes from Brian proves nothing about me so why bother doing it? It just shows how desperate you are and how much you irrationally hate him. Cheesy

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Reply #95 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:35pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

All the moderates point out that the Crazies don't represent their views. That the Crazies want the moderates to change is rather evident don't you think? They've killed and blown up so many in their effort to scare them into supporting their crazy views on Islam it makes the number of Westerns killed by the Crazies to look rather puny. Yet you still seem to think the Crazies are supported or considered to be somehow more Muslims than the moderates. That is because of your Islamophobia. Cheesy

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The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam.

Perhaps too much of the wrong sort? Just like the Christian fundamentalists who blew up Abortion Clinics in the US appeared to have too much Christianity of the wrong sort? Or can only Muslims in your opinion be loony fundamentalists? Cheesy

We did call the Crazies fundamentalists before political correctness changed it to extremists in some whacky delusion these guys were not following Islam when in fact fundamentalist spelled out clearly what they were.

The fundamentalists are just following Islam when they attack the moderates or hypocrites as allah calls them.
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Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy speaking-
O prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them.
And their refuge is hell,and wretched is the destination.
www.quran.com/9/73

The Quran also tells you to follow the example Mohammad set and Mo even burnt down a mosque because those muslims were not doing Islam properly.
The fundamentalists who attack the hypocrites and blow up their mosques are following Islam according to the Quran.

There have been a grand total of 8 deaths from anti abortion violence in the USA, are you going to tar all christians with the same brush over 8 deaths in a country with over 200 million people?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

Islamic terrorists have killed 4x as many people in Australia compared to christians whacking abortion clinic workers here, muslims are less than 2% of our population and christians would be the majority.

What is the Islamic view on abortion clinics?
Do women get a choice on who they breed with in the Islamic part of the world?
Can you blow up something that does not exist?

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Reply #96 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

And you can't provide any proof that I am "self-loathing" or that I "blame Israel" for everything. DL, you're a fool. Cheesy

My having an opinion of you as self loathing who would probably blame any thing other than the actions of Muslims in any future poo storm is exactly that, my opinion. Reinforced by your statements.

As for your idiot pedantic defence that because you are not posting an emotican titled swivelling eyes you are not posting Cheesy

yes, that's right moron, emoticons of swivelling eyes.

Cheesy

turn around a point or axis or on a swivel.

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

You won't find any "rolling eyes" emoticons either. Yes, that makes you a liar. Cheesy

If you want to play pedantic clown games best you get it right. I didn't mention anything at all about "rolling eyes".
Why you put it into quotes I have no idea apart from the knowledge that you are a half wit explaining it.

And you expected people to believe you have a 178 IQ? What a clown. You are embarrassing yourself. And very badly. But for extra giggles, you are so goddamn stupid you have convinced yourself that you are showing me to be a fool.

All I can say is keep it up.

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Reply #97 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

So we must bend over backwards to be more tolerant of Islamic intolerance to prove to Brian that we are not as intolerant as the intolerance we criticise? And we can start this by insisting we have no right to criticise (unless we are a Muslim from the same country) but Muslims have the right to do whatever they want, including chopping people's heads of?

You don't have to, FD. What you have to understand and refuse to is that not all Muslims support intolerance. They are undeserving of your opprobrium, FD and that has been explained to you many, many times but you continue with your condemnation through guilt by association. Even worse, you keep perpetuating the same falsehoods about their religion and it's leader and no matter how often you're shown that your views aren't sensible or correct, you just keep returning to them in an endless diatribe against Muslims and Islam. Now, that is the essence of bigotry, Freediver. Roll Eyes

Except that every time a Muslim (or one of the apologists) tries to demonstrate that I am not correct, they end up reinforcing what I say.

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Reply #98 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:58am

freediver wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

So we must bend over backwards to be more tolerant of Islamic intolerance to prove to Brian that we are not as intolerant as the intolerance we criticise? And we can start this by insisting we have no right to criticise (unless we are a Muslim from the same country) but Muslims have the right to do whatever they want, including chopping people's heads of?

You don't have to, FD. What you have to understand and refuse to is that not all Muslims support intolerance. They are undeserving of your opprobrium, FD and that has been explained to you many, many times but you continue with your condemnation through guilt by association. Even worse, you keep perpetuating the same falsehoods about their religion and it's leader and no matter how often you're shown that your views aren't sensible or correct, you just keep returning to them in an endless diatribe against Muslims and Islam. Now, that is the essence of bigotry, Freediver. Roll Eyes

Except that every time a Muslim (or one of the apologists) tries to demonstrate that I am not correct, they end up reinforcing what I say.

Yeah, sure, whatever. You keep up your delusion, FD if it keeps you happy. I've tried but it is obvious you're not interested in alternatives. Roll Eyes

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Reply #99 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:09pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

All the moderates point out that the Crazies don't represent their views. That the Crazies want the moderates to change is rather evident don't you think? They've killed and blown up so many in their effort to scare them into supporting their crazy views on Islam it makes the number of Westerns killed by the Crazies to look rather puny. Yet you still seem to think the Crazies are supported or considered to be somehow more Muslims than the moderates. That is because of your Islamophobia. Cheesy

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The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam.

Perhaps too much of the wrong sort? Just like the Christian fundamentalists who blew up Abortion Clinics in the US appeared to have too much Christianity of the wrong sort? Or can only Muslims in your opinion be loony fundamentalists? Cheesy

We did call the Crazies fundamentalists before political correctness changed it to extremists in some whacky delusion these guys were not following Islam when in fact fundamentalist spelled out clearly what they were.

Well, what's your opinion then of Calvinism? Opus Dei? Westboro Baptist Church, to name a few who are considered Christian extremists.

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The fundamentalists are just following Islam when they attack the moderates or hypocrites as allah calls them.

And the Christian fundamentalists who blow up Abortion Clinics or shoot the staff who work there?

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The Quran also tells you to follow the example Mohammad set and Mo even burnt down a mosque because those muslims were not doing Islam properly.
The fundamentalists who attack the hypocrites and blow up their mosques are following Islam according to the Quran.

Or their interpretation there of. You seem to believe they are the real Muslims while the moderates are not. You're applying their thinking to the problem rather than accepting what the majority of Muslims say or do.

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There have been a grand total of 8 deaths from anti abortion violence in the USA, are you going to tar all christians with the same brush over 8 deaths in a country with over 200 million people?

Why not? You tar all Muslims with the same broad brush when only a small minority of them commit atrocities. Obviously, if this is the correct logic, then it should be applicable equally, don't you think or do Christians get exceptions 'cause they aren't Muslim? Cheesy

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Islamic terrorists have killed 4x as many people in Australia compared to christians whacking abortion clinic workers here, muslims are less than 2% of our population and christians would be the majority.

There have been recent Islamic Terrorist attacks here in Australia? Really? When?

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Reply #100 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

And you can't provide any proof that I am "self-loathing" or that I "blame Israel" for everything. DL, you're a fool. Cheesy

My having an opinion of you as self loathing who would probably blame any thing other than the actions of Muslims in any future poo storm is exactly that, my opinion. Reinforced by your statements.

Yet when I voice an opinion about you being a spineless apologetic for bigotry, Xenophobia and persecution of innocent people - based on the evidence that you presented, you discounted it. Appears that you believe yourself unaccountable for your opinions. Cheesy

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|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

You won't find any "rolling eyes" emoticons either. Yes, that makes you a liar. Cheesy

If you want to play pedantic clown games best you get it right. I didn't mention anything at all about "rolling eyes".
Why you put it into quotes I have no idea apart from the knowledge that you are a half wit explaining it.

To a quarter-wit it appears. Cheesy

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And you expected people to believe you have a 178 IQ? What a clown. You are embarrassing yourself. And very badly. But for extra giggles, you are so goddamn stupid you have convinced yourself that you are showing me to be a fool.

Nope, you're showing yourself as a fool! You got trapped in exactly the same games you try and play on everybody else DL. You were shown to be a liar! Cheesy

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All I can say is keep it up.

I intend to Baka. Cheesy

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Reply #101 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

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Islamic terrorists have killed 4x as many people in Australia compared to christians whacking abortion clinic workers here, muslims are less than 2% of our population and christians would be the majority.

There have been recent Islamic Terrorist attacks here in Australia? Really? When?

There are none.

The abortion clinic attacks, the hijacking of Qantas Flight 1737, the Hilton Hotel bombing, the Russell St Bombing, etc. - none of them were carried out by Muslims

None of Australia's biggest mass murders like Ivan Milat, Martin Bryant or Julian Knight, Robert Long, Huan Yun Xiang, Roger Dean, Brendan Sokaluk, Wade Frankum, Paul Anthony, Malcolm Baker, Frank Vitkovic, Joseph Schwab, John Glover or John Bunting were Muslim - none of them!

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Reply #102 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

All the moderates point out that the Crazies don't represent their views. That the Crazies want the moderates to change is rather evident don't you think? They've killed and blown up so many in their effort to scare them into supporting their crazy views on Islam it makes the number of Westerns killed by the Crazies to look rather puny. Yet you still seem to think the Crazies are supported or considered to be somehow more Muslims than the moderates. That is because of your Islamophobia. Cheesy

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The crazy Muslims are crazy because they have had too much Islam.

Perhaps too much of the wrong sort? Just like the Christian fundamentalists who blew up Abortion Clinics in the US appeared to have too much Christianity of the wrong sort? Or can only Muslims in your opinion be loony fundamentalists? Cheesy

We did call the Crazies fundamentalists before political correctness changed it to extremists in some whacky delusion these guys were not following Islam when in fact fundamentalist spelled out clearly what they were.

Well, what's your opinion then of Calvinism? Opus Dei? Westboro Baptist Church, to name a few who are considered Christian extremists.
What relevance does that have in a thread on Islam in Australia?

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The fundamentalists are just following Islam when they attack the moderates or hypocrites as allah calls them.

And the Christian fundamentalists who blow up Abortion Clinics or shoot the staff who work there?
8 deaths in the USA,Sounds like you are a bigoted christianophobe, more people have probably died from bee stings.

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The Quran also tells you to follow the example Mohammad set and Mo even burnt down a mosque because those muslims were not doing Islam properly.
The fundamentalists who attack the hypocrites and blow up their mosques are following Islam according to the Quran.

Or their interpretation there of. You seem to believe they are the real Muslims while the moderates are not. You're applying their thinking to the problem rather than accepting what the majority of Muslims say or do.
I think the Ahmadi are real muslims, they are not considered real muslims by mainstream Islam and they are persecuted by mainstream Islam for alleged heretical reforms,The Ahmadi are persecuted by mainstream Islam for heretical reforms does that prove Islam is incapable of being reformed?
I have ex muslim friends who were in Lashkar e Taiba, i have apostate friends who have to pretend to be muslim due to the death penalty for apostasy
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There have been a grand total of 8 deaths from anti abortion violence in the USA, are you going to tar all christians with the same brush over 8 deaths in a country with over 200 million people?

Why not? You tar all Muslims with the same broad brush when only a small minority of them commit atrocities. Obviously, if this is the correct logic, then it should be applicable equally, don't you think or do Christians get exceptions 'cause they aren't Muslim? Cheesy

It depends what you consider an atrocity, death for apostasy,death for blasphemy,death for adultery, death for homosexuals are all a reality in the Islamic parts of the world and i think it is atrocious for any religion to have a death penalty in the year 2013, it would be the majority that support these death penalties.
I have ex muslim friends who have to pretend to be muslim due to the death penalty for leaving Islam, i dont know any atheists who have to pretend to be christian to escape the wrath of christian fundies.

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Islamic terrorists have killed 4x as many people in Australia compared to christians whacking abortion clinic workers here, muslims are less than 2% of our population and christians would be the majority.

There have been recent Islamic Terrorist attacks here in Australia? Really? When?
Have there been any recent abortion clinic attacks?

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The Broken hill massacre was a fatal incident that took place near Broken hill on Jan 1 1915.

Two men shot dead four people and wounded seven more before being killed by Police and military officers,While the attack was politically and religiously inspired,as declared by the perpetrators notes....

The attackers were both former camel drivers working at broken hill,they were Badsha Mohammed Gool and Mullah Abdullah, a local imam and halal butcher.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

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Reply #104 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:57pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

So we must bend over backwards to be more tolerant of Islamic intolerance to prove to Brian that we are not as intolerant as the intolerance we criticise? And we can start this by insisting we have no right to criticise (unless we are a Muslim from the same country) but Muslims have the right to do whatever they want, including chopping people's heads of?

Yeah, onya freediver.......is there not a dedicated Muslim Board here? Huh? You know there is, but far be it from you to miss any chance to spread the fear and loathing.

The most important is to be politically correct and let them screw you as much as possible.
That's how they multiply like rabbits producing more and more little jihadis.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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