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Oct 11th, 2013 at 8:09am
 
Clive Palmer's ultimatum over staffing

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Mining magnate Clive Palmer is threatening to block all the Abbott government's legislation – even measures he supports such as scrapping the carbon price – unless his party gets more staff and resources.      Smiley

    Personal opinion, if he lasts six months he will be … pretty lucky.

After striking a deal with Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party senator-elect Ricky Muir to form a balance-of-power voting bloc of four seats in the Senate from next July, Mr Palmer demanded the same staffing and resources as the Greens, who currently hold the balance.


Although the Palmer United Party and Mr Muir together have fewer than half the Senate seats held by the Greens, Mr Palmer said the balance-of-power role meant his bloc would need more staff to properly scrutinise legislation.


Prime Minister Tony Abbott dismissed the demand, saying there was a standard convention on staffing and resources for minor parties and independents.

When Fairfax Media put Mr Abbott's remarks to Mr Palmer, he said: "Fine, then he won't get any legislation through. None at all."      Smiley

Mr Palmer refused to show Fairfax Media the PUP's memorandum of understanding with Mr Muir.

The stand-off comes as Mr Muir – who won a Victorian Senate seat in last month's election – faces a furious backlash from his party's state branch.

Mr Muir's former campaign director, Scott McDonald, said Victorian members were angry that they had not been consulted on the deal, which he said went against the party's platform.

He expressed doubt that Mr Muir would last his full six-year term. ''Personal opinion, if he lasts six months he will be … pretty lucky.''

The leadership of the party's Victorian branch was sacked by the national body last week. Stuart Brown, founding vice-chairman of the Victorian branch, said the party was being controlled by a couple of people in Queensland.

''The Queenslanders have grabbed hold of him [Muir] and are doing what they want with him. This is absolutely a betrayal of Victoria. He is supposed to be working for Victorians,'' Mr Brown said.

With four votes once the new Senate is installed in July, the Palmer group could block Coalition legislation if Labor and the Greens also oppose it. The Coalition, with 33 senators, would need six of the eight crossbench votes.

The four outside the Palmer bloc will be current crossbenchers Nick Xenophon and John Madigan, plus incoming Liberal Democrat David Leyonhjelm and Family First's Bob Day. It is a conservative-leaning crossbench, and Mr Abbott is expected to get the numbers to scrap the carbon price and mining tax.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clive-palmers-ultimatum-over-staffing-20131010-2vbre.html#ixzz2hML8HXbu
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Mining magnate Clive Palmer is threatening to block all the Abbott government's legislation – even measures he supports such as scrapping the carbon price – unless his party gets more staff and resources


I'd say that would greatly upset the people that voted for his party on the pretence that the party was to support scrapping the carbon tax.... Angry
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Shouldn't be a problem, as we know what a good negotiator Mr Abbott is.      Grin
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Reply #3 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 8:45am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 8:28am:
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Mining magnate Clive Palmer is threatening to block all the Abbott government's legislation – even measures he supports such as scrapping the carbon price – unless his party gets more staff and resources


I'd say that would greatly upset the people that voted for his party on the pretence that the party was to support scrapping the carbon tax.... Angry



No one voted for Clive to get rid of the carbon tax.

They voted for Clive to p1ss the two major parties off.....solely as a protest vote, seems to have worked too.
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Mining magnate Clive Palmer is threatening to block all the Abbott government's legislation ... unless his party gets more staff and resources.

Depending on how much resources they get now, this request may be reasonable. What are the merits of Palmer's request for more resources?

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Reply #5 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 10:21am
 
Bam wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 9:01am:
Depending on how much resources they get now, this request may be reasonable.


The request is absurd - he is demanding as much resources as the Greens because he thinks he has formed a little voting block that may or may not hold the balance. But its still smaller than the Greens. The Greens should now demand about 3 times as much resourcing since they are a far more stable voting block with labor.

But Palmer no doubt knows this - he's not stupid. He's probably just doing the classic diplomatic trick of asking for something ridiculous, but expecting something far less.
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Swagman wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 8:28am:
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Mining magnate Clive Palmer is threatening to block all the Abbott government's legislation – even measures he supports such as scrapping the carbon price – unless his party gets more staff and resources


I'd say that would greatly upset the people that voted for his party on the pretence that the party was to support scrapping the carbon tax.... Angry




swaggy the lefites all voted for him....

just goes to show what type they really want running the country as if gillard and krudd werent bad enough they have now fallen in love with a pig like piggy...


I am really hoping another vote will happen in Fairfax.. this would have and to show SOME at any rate what type of a person they are dealing with...ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.....

look at USA.. is that what we wan t.. can we afford that kind of thing?? well the left will be delighted.. Angry Angry Angry
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cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 10:29am:
[b]swaggy the lefites all voted for him....



Not just the lefties or else he wouldn't end up with the seat of Fairfax and 3 senate seats.
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Reply #8 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 10:52am
 
My My, the crocodile tears that are flowing today from our rightard friends.    It was OK when Abbott blocked or refused to support Labor, but when it happens to the Liberals, it's just SO WRONG!!

Suck it up ladies.  Abbott is going to have to deal with Clive and other parties.    Stand by some real backflipping for this boy
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Reply #9 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 10:53am
 
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 10:29am:
Swagman wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 8:28am:
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Mining magnate Clive Palmer is threatening to block all the Abbott government's legislation – even measures he supports such as scrapping the carbon price – unless his party gets more staff and resources


I'd say that would greatly upset the people that voted for his party on the pretence that the party was to support scrapping the carbon tax.... Angry




swaggy the lefites all voted for him....

just goes to show what type they really want running the country as if gillard and krudd werent bad enough they have now fallen in love with a pig like piggy...


I am really hoping another vote will happen in Fairfax.. this would have and to show SOME at any rate what type of a person they are dealing with...ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.....

look at USA.. is that what we wan t.. can we afford that kind of thing?? well the left will be delighted.. Angry Angry Angry


You are out of touch with the real World, cods.  Palmer will poo it in if there is another election.  Why would anyone vote LNP here, now?  There is absolutely zero need.  Given Abbott is the PM, Fairfax needs someone to push him to finally do something for the Sunshine Coast, and I'll back Clive to do exactly that, especially given the clout he now has in the Senate.
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cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 10:29am:
swaggy the lefites all voted for him....

just goes to show what type they really want running the country as if gillard and krudd werent bad enough they have now fallen in love with a pig like piggy...


I am really hoping another vote will happen in Fairfax.. this would have and to show SOME at any rate what type of a person they are dealing with...ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.....

look at USA.. is that what we wan t.. can we afford that kind of thing?? well the left will be delighted.. Angry Angry Angry


I didn't vote for him. I didn't like his policies. He's a mining magnate and a capitalist and wants even more mines than we currently have. His policies are on par with the Libs.

If anyone who voted for PUP thinks it's a protest vote - they couldn't be more wrong.

Why should Palmer demand more resources? He hasn't done anything yet. He's a gluttonous man - like Rinehart and he's in politics to increase his own wealth - the same as most of them.
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Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 11:11am
 
Palmer is just turning out to be an obstructionist clown.  if he blocks all legislation then Abbott will have no choice but to go to a DD where Palmer is THE cause.  palmer will get crushed in the backlash.  Voters hate one thing more than anything else - unnecessary elections.

Abbott is doing the right thing in not backing down because unless he draws a line, Palmer will continue to do this nonsense forever.

It will be interesting and unpredictable but it is still a possibility that Palmers idiocy might force his senators to quit and become independents.
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Reply #13 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 11:12am
 
mantra wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 11:02am:
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 10:29am:
swaggy the lefites all voted for him....

just goes to show what type they really want running the country as if gillard and krudd werent bad enough they have now fallen in love with a pig like piggy...


I am really hoping another vote will happen in Fairfax.. this would have and to show SOME at any rate what type of a person they are dealing with...ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.....

look at USA.. is that what we wan t.. can we afford that kind of thing?? well the left will be delighted.. Angry Angry Angry


I didn't vote for him. I didn't like his policies. He's a mining magnate and a capitalist and wants even more mines than we currently have. His policies are on par with the Libs.

If anyone who voted for PUP thinks it's a protest vote - they couldn't be more wrong.

Why should Palmer demand more resources? He hasn't done anything yet. He's a gluttonous man - like Rinehart and he's in politics to increase his own wealth - the same as most of them.



who can understand the mind of anyone who votes for such a moron?
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Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 3:34pm
 
lol, Palmer is not a moron, and he most definitely isn't there to obstruct.
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