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I stole this from a poster without their consent .........

Aside from that, thought it might make a good topic.
I'll remove it if you want, poster.

If you are honest about stealing, is that all ok then ?

To sum up:  How I see it is that people appear to assume that depression is a thing we have control over and if we are depressed we are not trusting God enough etc, or it's a fault of our personality etc...

If we have a physical disablity it is treated with much different and fairer approach.

Reality is that depression can be due to circumstances around us and as such we can have a level of control over it with the right support mechanisms in place. But as well, circumstances can be out of our control. A partner dies, a job loss etc... Prayer would be a good help through the hard times.  A cure???  I doubt it, but then I'm not a person of faith.

But depression can also be chemical related imbalance and very much out of our control, other than doing what we are taught to do in as much as getting up daily, walking, showering etc... Aids to help get us through the depression and keep us safe.  Medication for many work, sadly for me I've had several stomach surgeries and medication is only used for me to get me through an episode (High or low) and not daily usage to control the imbalance. So for me depression will hit, frequently and hard!!!!! 

It is not helpful when people who have little appreciation or understanding of depression tell me that it's because I don't trust God enough.

People that do trust God, also have depression and are not assured of healing anymore than the person with cancer who trusts God. God, according to the Bible heals some but not all.  Level of faith is not judged on whether someone is healed or not.  Depression or any other illness. 

Jaqs wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:



Treating depression with stupefying drugs, is building a relationship of chemical imbalance dependence.

Where a weak, weak person, will avoid [....confronting what is true].





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Medication for many works....

It is a lie.


Treating human depression with [chemical] medication works.

It is a lie.


Treating human depression with [chemical] medication works, because the problem of human depression is rooted in a chemical imbalance in the physical body.

It is a lie.



THE TRUTH;
The problem of human depression is rooted in an 'imbalance' in the human psyche, an 'imbalance' that is created by poor life/moral choices.

And if that is true, then how can [chemically] medicating the physical body, heal ['that' which ails] the human psyche ?








Treating depression, by medicating the physical body, is NOT an effective way to heal someone with, dis-ease of the psyche.

How can medicating the physical body [with harmful [and stupefying!] chemicals], be an effective way to treat a problem which is rooted in the human psyche ?



Q.
Why does 'psychiatry' prescribe stupefying drugs to patients suffering from 'depression' ?

Psychiatry prescribes stupefying drugs to 'patients', because stupefying drugs 'help' to control the [physical] behaviour of people.
medicating the physical body [with stupefying drugs] is a healing 'therapy' for the, dis-ease of the human psyche.






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Many idiots [idiots, imo] with 'broken' a psyche, choose to take stupefying drugs.

Why ?

Is it because they know that taking stupefying drugs is going to heal their 'ailment' ?

No.

It is , to their own weakness and to their refusal to confront their own wrong/poor choices.

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How can you think that you can 'heal' yourself, if you continue to refuse to acknowledge, what the cause of your current predicament is ?






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And psychiatrists are no saints.

Psychiatrists are lying, to their patients [if they tell their patients that taking stupefying drugs is going to 'help' them].


And their patients are weak, broken people, because they are weak, broken people.

Psychiatrists and their patients = = drug pushers, and their addicts.

Building a relationship of lawful chemical dependence.


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What is wrong with this world ?

There are too many 'normal' people, who rush to make poor choices [so as to advantage themselves], then wonder why they are standing, up to their ankles, in a puddle of shite.




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But don't worry.

Coz i got it all wrong.

There is no human psyche.



There is just this human depression, ...having to cope with this depressing life.

Coz, we are all just physical creatures, physical animals, that evolved in this physical universe, over billions of years, from molten rocks.

And we only have physical bodies.

And, can i take my 'happy' pill now, coz i can feel that depression coming on ?

[gulp....]
Ah, i feel much better now.

[note to self; ONLY THREE TABS LEFT. MUST GET MORE BEFORE I RUN OUT.]

I get the impression that many Christians believe that depression is due to sin.

I guess in truth, if one believes the Bible then ALL illness is a result of sin and a fallen world.

But the curious thing is depression seems to be singled out more than other health conditions.

I do agree that life choices can cause depression.  However that's not the only reason for depression.

I'm not sure that anyone would appreciate being told that the reason for their cancer is due to their sin??? No one with an ounce of sensitivity would say that to someone, but they would tell someone that their MH is due to their sin!  Even if the person has lived a tame life. 

I actually knew a Pastor years ago, who gave up full time ministry due to depression and despite years of therapy, and prayer etc he couldn't get on top of it.  Now I think it would be fair to say that he wasn't big on sinning!  Lovely guy, fantastic family, loved his work etc... But depression consumed him.

Jaqs wrote on Oct 11^th, 2013 at 5:45am:


That depends, upon how we [each] define 'sin'.

And, do we believe that human 'depression', is caused [i.e. can only be caused] by an 'irregularity' in our physical body ?
[....i.e. coz, of course, 'spirits' cannot do not exist          ]




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jaqs,

Oh we human beings are doing so well, aren't we !            [....i'm jesting!]

Just look around, look at the ['political'] state of the world, who could suggest that anything could be 'wrong' with every individual human being?!

Why would anyone think that EVERY HUMAN BEING 'expresses' character flaws ?


[p.s.
And don't blame God, for creating us 'imperfect', either!
Because the 'sin' [the character flaws], are only 'expressed', and revealed, in our own poor choices.
....in the consequences, which we refuse to 'own'.]







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Both the 'life choices' that our parents [and grandparents] made, and the choices that we make, have consequences upon us.

[Is that 'unfair' ? Do you judge that circumstance, to be 'unfair' ?]

We cannot do very much, about the choices that our parents [and grandparents] made.

But whatever circumstances that we find ourselves in today, we, reveal ourselves, by our own choices, in our own lives.

Because our poor choices, and our good choices, are going to reveal who and what we are.



But continuing to make [repeatedly making] poor choices, because we find ourselves in a poor circumstance, and then, continually refusing to 'own' the consequences of our own poor choices, is sin-ful.

Life.

We do the very best, with what we have got.

Period.




If you want to blame your circumstances, upon your circumstances, then go with that.

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Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49  So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50  And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.



And the parable of the talents...

Matthew 25:14-30i Quote:


[Sometimes,] bad things, do happen to good people.

That is our burden to carry.



Metal is [must be] purified, in a furnace.

Without the heat of the furnace, .....there is no purified metal, ever.

We are the 'metal ore'.

The experiences in this life, are the heat of the 'furnace'.

Perhaps you reject that ?

Perhaps you say that God, has no right [to do that to us] ?

If you want to blame your circumstances, upon God, then go with that.







Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Edit: I do not advocate violence of any sort, any references to violence are purely satirical, in an exaggerated slapstick sort of way.

I'm very proud of myself because I didn't call her an idiot, though the word was fighting to leave my tongue



You may find that if you had called it as you had seen it, and called her an idiot, you might not get so depressed so often. Next time, let her rip. Especially if they make such dumb comments as hers was.

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:


There is some truth to the madness in this method.
But!
Who really wants to get into that position in the first place.

Would it be appropriate to change the heading to "Finding Self Peace within Reality"