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Old Codger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 547 Melbourne. Gender:	Re: Risks grow for Antarctic life Reply #60 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 5:10pm Such as AGW is an "undeniable ... fact of nature". "Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT." BULLSHIT!" Fixed! OC
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Reply #61 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 5:17pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

Such as AGW is an "undeniable ... fact of nature".

"Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT." BULLSHIT!"

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Now, now ... don't be like that.

According to the alarmists on here, AGW is no longer a theory: it's an "undeniable fact". Strike that nasty word - theory - out of your dictionaries. We don't need it any more.

So, that being the case, there's absolutely no point in arguing with them. I mean, it's a fact. You can't argue with facts!

And, why should we believe them? Well, because ... um ... hang on, I know there's a reason ... I had it before ... because they ... Undecided

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Risks grow for Antarctic life Reply #62 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 6:46pm Hey guys Some things not right here...!!!! Looks like all the alarmists have gone on holidays...??? Or is this the calm before the storm......!!!
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Reply #63 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 6:47pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Hey guys

Some things not right here...!!!!

Looks like all the alarmists have gone on holidays...???

Or is this the calm before the storm......!!!

Calm before the storm.

I'm guessing we'll all be banned shortly.

Honestly though, they just have no reasonable comeback. They've really had their arses handed to them.

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Reply #64 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:37am

Just a few links to consider, as difficult as it might be that there are two sides to the "denier" line of not paying attention or ignoring the facts as it were. Ironically, so far this debate diatribe has demonstrated an abject refusal to explore facts, as a true sceptic might.

In short, a real sceptic would be able to produce critically thought out, challenging ideas etc, that have been thoroughly reviewed. Further, and this is the difference between the deniers present and a genuine sceptic, the would very clearly point out where assumptions are being made (due to a lack of credible evidence for example) and/or when a denier has (as has occurred repeatedly) produced cherry picked data. I acknowledge they appear to be all over it when it comes to the believers having been perceived to be cherry picking.

Therein lieth the conundrum. At least a genuine sceptic would actually be sceptical, about both sides of information...

So, anyway, a couple of links highlighting the flaws in the denial camp. Just to balance things up.

By all means go down idiot street making claims about what I am saying, no amount of reason will stop that I am sure.

You are invited to take the time to read what is presented, but, bare in mind you may find it confronting, oh wait, you might not as well, I am sceptical.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/28/ipcc-climate-change-deniers

http://www.350resources.org.uk/2013/09/12/greenpeace-catelogues-the-deniers-camp...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevezwick/2012/01/30/another-day-another-intentiona...

I deliberately chose a diverse set of comments, here, to demonstrate a bit of a common theme. One that deniers (and here is the shock horror bit) consistently simply deny.... Who would have thunk it?

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Reply #65 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Hey guys

Some things not right here...!!!!

Looks like all the alarmists have gone on holidays...???

Or is this the calm before the storm......!!!

Calm before the storm.

I'm guessing we'll all be banned shortly.

Honestly though, they just have no reasonable comeback. They've really had their arses handed to them.

I am sceptical if you would actually recognise what an arse handing might look like, regardless of the direction.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156214 Gender:	Re: Risks grow for Antarctic life Reply #66 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 10:18am Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:37am: Just a few links to consider ... There's nothing left to consider. Didn't you get the memo? "Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT." (Chimp_Logic)
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Risks grow for Antarctic life Reply #67 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:20am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 10:18am: Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:37am: Just a few links to consider ... There's nothing left to consider. Yep, my point well and truly demonstrated.
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Reply #68 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:28am

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:37am:

Just a few links to consider ...

There's nothing left to consider.

Yep, my point well and truly demonstrated.

I'm merely restating the alarmists' view, not mine.

They want to shut down debate.

They have declared that "Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT."

Doesn't sound like they want to consider any new possibilities, does it now?

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Reply #69 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:54am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:37am:

Just a few links to consider ...

There's nothing left to consider.

Yep, my point well and truly demonstrated.

I'm merely restating the alarmists' view, not mine.

They want to shut down debate.

They have declared that "Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT."

Doesn't sound like they want to consider any new possibilities, does it now?

NO, you merely avoided actually reading links provided to engage in reasoned and thoughtful debate and threw out a lame arse kind of tit for tat childish comment.

Now, by all means continue being childish and uncritical in your thinking, that is your problem, but, respectfully, please refrain from using my links and/or posts as nothing more than fodder for you contemptuous and inane argument.

To be perfectly frank, I provided further information intended specifically to further the debate. Your demonstrated inability or unwillingness to engage with that demonstrates an equal desire to deliberately shut down any debate. Demonstrably a case of pot kettle black....

By all means, read the links and challenge the assertions, comments, observations etc made there or not, that's your choice but don't expect courteous, reasonable or considerate responses when that which you provide is churlish dribble completely unrelated to the information provided.

If you wanna carry on your school yard spat with "they" whoever "they" happen to be (do you need a tinfoil hat by the way?) go for it, but don't use me or my comments in it and expect acquiescence.

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Reply #70 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

NO, you merely avoided actually reading links provided to engage in reasoned and thoughtful debate ...

Incorrect: I read the provided links.

However, once again, you have missed the point.

The alarmists have shut down debate.

They have declared that "Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT."

Read it again, slowly.

"undeniable" ... "fact".

They have no interest in "reasoned and thoughtful debate".

They've made up their minds and nothing will change them.

Sad.

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Reply #71 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 12:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

NO, you merely avoided actually reading links provided to engage in reasoned and thoughtful debate ...

Incorrect: I read the provided links.

However, once again, you have missed the point.

The alarmists have shut down debate.

They have declared that ""Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT."

Read it again, slowly.

"undeniable" ... "fact".

They have no interest in "reasoned and thoughtful debate".

They've made up their minds and nothing will change them.

Sad.

Sorry, BUT no again....

Now you are getting into lying territory, is that deliberate?

A poster on the forum made the claim. You have extrapolated that somehow to a they, which, either deliberately or in ignorance you present as something akin to a conspiracy to "shut down debate"....

Clearly, nothing is shut down, except your apparent willingness or capacity to actually debate the topic.

You are merely rearranging terms of reference to argue one point badly made, rather than furthering the debate. I see no evidence in your posting of having read either the links or most of what I have said. You nit pick the little bits and move it along from there. That too is shutting down debate, I don't expect you to pick up on that point, or, if you do to acknowledge its voracity.

Point is, I am not arguing with this mythical "they" who you allude to, nor am I a member of the mythical "they" - yet you obfuscate, dodge and weave to avoid actually having the debate that is apparently important, only not important enough to engage in. You clearly run the risk of being part of the very "they" you talk about, but I suspect you know that all to well.

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Reply #72 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 3:17pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

NO, you merely avoided actually reading links provided to engage in reasoned and thoughtful debate ...

Incorrect: I read the provided links.

However, once again, you have missed the point.

The alarmists have shut down debate.

They have declared that ""Anthropogenic Global Warming is an UNDENIABLE, OBSERVABLE FACT."

Read it again, slowly.

"undeniable" ... "fact".

They have no interest in "reasoned and thoughtful debate".

They've made up their minds and nothing will change them.

Sad.

Sorry

Yes. It's a sorry state of affairs.

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Reply #73 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 3:43pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:37am:

Just a few links to consider, as difficult as it might be that there are two sides to the "denier" line of not paying attention or ignoring the facts as it were. Ironically, so far this debate diatribe has demonstrated an abject refusal to explore facts, as a true sceptic might.

In short, a real sceptic would be able to produce critically thought out, challenging ideas etc, that have been thoroughly reviewed. Further, and this is the difference between the deniers present and a genuine sceptic, the would very clearly point out where assumptions are being made (due to a lack of credible evidence for example) and/or when a denier has (as has occurred repeatedly) produced cherry picked data. I acknowledge they appear to be all over it when it comes to the believers having been perceived to be cherry picking.

Therein lieth the conundrum. At least a genuine sceptic would actually be sceptical, about both sides of information...

So, anyway, a couple of links highlighting the flaws in the denial camp. Just to balance things up.

By all means go down idiot street making claims about what I am saying, no amount of reason will stop that I am sure.

You are invited to take the time to read what is presented, but, bare in mind you may find it confronting, oh wait, you might not as well, I am sceptical.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/28/ipcc-climate-change-deniers

http://www.350resources.org.uk/2013/09/12/greenpeace-catelogues-the-deniers-camp...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevezwick/2012/01/30/another-day-another-intentiona...

I deliberately chose a diverse set of comments, here, to demonstrate a bit of a common theme. One that deniers (and here is the shock horror bit) consistently simply deny.... Who would have thunk it?

Grin

If it wasn't for sceptics you would still believe that,

The missing heat of the last 15 years in somewhere in the oceans.

There was no medieval warm period or mini ice age.

All glaciers would be gone by 2035.

All the ice in the arctic would be gone by 2013.

There is a hot spot in the tropopause.

Co2 & temperature correlate.

Mosquitos and malaria would spread because of AGW.

All natural disasters are caused from anthropogenic global warming.

Ocean acidity of 0.3 pH units over the next 90 years will be catastrophic when ocean acidity changes much more than this on a daily bases.

The shonkey hockey stick which no one is allowed to analyse..............climate gate......????

Sea levels are rising uncontrollably...!!!!!

The IPCC's 1990 prediction of unequivocal warming of 0.2 degrees celcius per decade when for the last 15 years we have only had 0.05 degrees celcius per decade.

And there much more but you get the general idea.

The AGW hypothesis should be tossed in the trash can once and for all.

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Reply #74 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 4:12pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:37am:

Just a few links to consider, as difficult as it might be that there are two sides to the "denier" line of not paying attention or ignoring the facts as it were. Ironically, so far this debate diatribe has demonstrated an abject refusal to explore facts, as a true sceptic might.

In short, a real sceptic would be able to produce critically thought out, challenging ideas etc, that have been thoroughly reviewed. Further, and this is the difference between the deniers present and a genuine sceptic, the would very clearly point out where assumptions are being made (due to a lack of credible evidence for example) and/or when a denier has (as has occurred repeatedly) produced cherry picked data. I acknowledge they appear to be all over it when it comes to the believers having been perceived to be cherry picking.

Therein lieth the conundrum. At least a genuine sceptic would actually be sceptical, about both sides of information...

So, anyway, a couple of links highlighting the flaws in the denial camp. Just to balance things up.

By all means go down idiot street making claims about what I am saying, no amount of reason will stop that I am sure.

You are invited to take the time to read what is presented, but, bare in mind you may find it confronting, oh wait, you might not as well, I am sceptical.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/28/ipcc-climate-change-deniers

http://www.350resources.org.uk/2013/09/12/greenpeace-catelogues-the-deniers-camp...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevezwick/2012/01/30/another-day-another-intentiona...

I deliberately chose a diverse set of comments, here, to demonstrate a bit of a common theme. One that deniers (and here is the shock horror bit) consistently simply deny.... Who would have thunk it?

Grin

If it wasn't for sceptics you would still believe that,

The missing heat of the last 15 years in somewhere in the oceans.

There was no medieval warm period or mini ice age.

All glaciers would be gone by 2035.

All the ice in the arctic would be gone by 2013.

There is a hot spot in the tropopause.

Co2 & temperature correlate.

Mosquitos and malaria would spread because of AGW.

All natural disasters are caused from anthropogenic global warming.

Ocean acidity of 0.3 pH units over the next 90 years will be catastrophic when ocean acidity changes much more than this on a daily bases.

The shonkey hockey stick which no one is allowed to analyse..............climate gate......????

Sea levels are rising uncontrollably...!!!!!

The IPCC's 1990 prediction of unequivocal warming of 0.2 degrees celcius per decade when for the last 15 years we have only had 0.05 degrees celcius per decade.

And there much more but you get the general idea.

The AGW hypothesis should be tossed in the trash can once and for all.

i

Hey give the catastrophic global warmies a break, they are all very tired after moving them goal posts all over the field Grin

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