Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:51pm:


I've posted two predictions, sadly I don't have the source info for the theories behind it but the names of the people are there and you could easily look them up to see what their theory it. I mean if someone's making predictions that are vastly different than the IPCC would it not be prudent to look at these alternate perspectives?

However being a representative of a null-hypothesis the burden of proof does not fall on us to prove theory to you, the point is to be skeptical and hold a theory to scrutiny and if people tout the theory they must prove it if they want to convince.

Ajax wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 1:02pm:


yes very weird

very weird indeed to notice that all the models in the peer reviewed scientific literature predict warming of the planet as CO2 levels increase

still Mr Ajax has his religious beliefs and has been challenged in public to provide ONE published model which predicts cooling or static global temperatures as CO2 levels rise. A detailed description of the scientific theory that underpins this model will be very exciting to read in public

Wont it Mr Ajax

*crickets*

This is hilarious look at the Akasofu projection I posted earlier, the little red dot was the current at the time of the graph, as you can see the IPCC projection just like all the models we have posted vastly overshoot the observable.

This is what "skepticalscience" has to say about the accuracy of Akasofu:

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So when the IPCC vastly over state temperature and Akasofu has a 0.02c cooling and the observable is 0.1c warming, isn't it obvious through the temperature flat line (come on 0.1degree in a decade is not significant warming at all) Akasofu is incredibly closer to the observable than the IPCC's large overstatement?

Pretty good if you ask me, obviously it isn't easy to predict the climate the IPCC knows this all to well, so we will see in the next 10 years if the trend closely resembles the oscillation of Akasofu. So far it's more plausible than the massive overstated curve of the IPCC is it not?

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So it's okay when Mr Gore uses a SINGLE tree ring to come to the hockey stick but when Burt Rutan shows the entire data set he is lying? Then when Akasofu makes a projection "oh we can't use HadCRUT like the IPCC does! Because it falls to close inline with Akasofu! We now have to use the WHOLE data set". Funny that isn't it? Cherry pick when it suits, use the whole data set ONLY when it suits.

It would be hilarious to see HadCRUT imposed on the graph, a nice cherry pick like the IPCC does

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 1:40pm:


Mr Ajax was given the simple task of listing any models that predict cooling or static temperatures as CO2 levels rise.

He has been given until the end of 2019 to list these models, describe the scientific theory and assumptions that support these models and cite the peer reviewed literature they were published in.

Its a simple task Greggy, with more than adequate time to achieve.

All I have heard so far are

*crickets*

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 2:07pm:


a sinusoidal oscillation that is increasing with time nevertheless requires a underlying mechanism in order to provide a theoretical foundation of modelling validation.

what is that mechanism(s) or underlying driver(s)?

If you cannot point to one, then anyone can propose a model that predicts any behaviour you like to choose.

Perhaps one can close their eyes and pick one from these colourful bunch?

He simply state a continuation of temperature oscillation in recovery of a little ice age and then obviously a nice dip back down, then back up again .

Natural variation in intergalactic cycles. There's nothing accelerated about the observable is there? That 0.25 degree rise in how many decades?

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:52pm:


Watch this space - The Working Group 2 report is coming out next year.  My part of Australia will be hardest hit.