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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #15 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 1:35pm Vuk - I have reserved a thread for that purpose, and I agree with you. Any personal attacks will be removed (including my own if you call it). I would much prefer just to talk about the science.
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Re: The five stages of denial
Reply #16 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

Funny thing, I read sometime ago now that the second point (basically it is just natural and has happened for eons) is quite easily dismissed because the actual science about climate coined the term climate change to directly articulate or describe effects on climate based solely on human interaction with the environment. Whereas the naturally occurring climate fluctuations are described as climate variation.

This may be a small point, but it is IMHO at least, an important one. The definitions are important to have a reasonable debate.

By the way, just those two terms would seemingly suggest that the scientific community already acknowledge that climate naturally has some variance, however, what seems to have been the trend has been systemic changes occurring specifically since we (human's) became industrialised.

Whether it is proved or not is beyond my knowledge base and skill set to understand, but, it is concerning that the language used is not accurate at times.

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Re: The five stages of denial
Reply #17 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Funny thing, I read sometime ago now that the second point (basically it is just natural and has happened for eons) is quite easily dismissed because the actual science about climate coined the term climate change to directly articulate or describe effects on climate based solely on human interaction with the environment. Whereas the naturally occurring climate fluctuations are described as climate variation.

This may be a small point, but it is IMHO at least, an important one. The definitions are important to have a reasonable debate.

By the way, just those two terms would seemingly suggest that the scientific community already acknowledge that climate naturally has some variance, however, what seems to have been the trend has been systemic changes occurring specifically since we (human's) became industrialised.

Whether it is proved or not is beyond my knowledge base and skill set to understand, but, it is concerning that the language used is not accurate at times.

ONLY THE IGNORANT HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THE TERM, "NOMENCLATURE".

Methinks Phemanderac votes Liberal and actually has heard of the term "nomenclature" but simply pretends he hasn't. Huh

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Re: The five stages of denial
Reply #18 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:05pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 3:05pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Funny thing, I read sometime ago now that the second point (basically it is just natural and has happened for eons) is quite easily dismissed because the actual science about climate coined the term climate change to directly articulate or describe effects on climate based solely on human interaction with the environment. Whereas the naturally occurring climate fluctuations are described as climate variation.

This may be a small point, but it is IMHO at least, an important one. The definitions are important to have a reasonable debate.

By the way, just those two terms would seemingly suggest that the scientific community already acknowledge that climate naturally has some variance, however, what seems to have been the trend has been systemic changes occurring specifically since we (human's) became industrialised.

Whether it is proved or not is beyond my knowledge base and skill set to understand, but, it is concerning that the language used is not accurate at times.

ONLY THE IGNORANT HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THE TERM, "NOMENCLATURE".

Methinks Phemanderac votes Liberal and actually has heard of the term "nomenclature" but simply pretends he hasn't. Huh

Well then you would be in part totally wrong mate. Since I have heard of nomenclature, guess which bit you're wrong about - not that it would actually add anything to the debate.

So apart from my voting choices - you're pretty much off the mark.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #19 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm You're not fooling no one buddy!
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #20 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm: You're not fooling no one buddy! Neither are you I suspect
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #21 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:09pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm: You're not fooling no one buddy! I do however like your sense of irony after pointing out something about language used and then framing this comment....
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #22 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:10pm Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm: You're not fooling no one buddy! Neither are you I suspect I'm not trying to, but you are!
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Re: The five stages of denial
Reply #23 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:21pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

You're not fooling no one buddy! Wink

Neither are you I suspect

I'm not trying to, but you are! Cheesy

Actually mate, you are. You have made an assertion based on your own assumption with absolutely no evidence in support of your assertion and, you then compound that after my denial by carrying it on.

In short, that is actually trying to fool people.

I have stated clearly that I do not vote Liberal. Further I pointed out that it is none of your business or anyone elses who I vote for unless I choose to share it with them.

You clearly base your assumption on one post. I would suggest further reading and see if your assertion still holds up. I realise you won't like my suggestion but, at the end of the day, I don't give a poo about that.

You are mostly wrong in what you posted. I hope that is not a common thing for you.

Now, regarding the environment? Anything to offer?

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Re: The five stages of denial
Reply #24 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:57pm

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

You're not fooling no one buddy! Wink

Neither are you I suspect

I'm not trying to, but you are! Cheesy

Actually mate, you are. You have made an assertion based on your own assumption with absolutely no evidence in support of your assertion and, you then compound that after my denial by carrying it on.

In short, that is actually trying to fool people.

I have stated clearly that I do not vote Liberal. Further I pointed out that it is none of your business or anyone elses who I vote for unless I choose to share it with them.

You clearly base your assumption on one post. I would suggest further reading and see if your assertion still holds up. I realise you won't like my suggestion but, at the end of the day, I don't give a poo about that.

You are mostly wrong in what you posted. I hope that is not a common thing for you.

Now, regarding the environment? Anything to offer?

He's a nut, he only comes on here to get attention. It could have been any forum, it just happened to be this one. Don't respond to him, like many posters on this forum, he is a black hole.

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Reply #25 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 8:56pm

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Funny thing, I read sometime ago now that the second point (basically it is just natural and has happened for eons) is quite easily dismissed because the actual science about climate coined the term climate change to directly articulate or describe effects on climate based solely on human interaction with the environment. Whereas the naturally occurring climate fluctuations are described as climate variation.

This may be a small point, but it is IMHO at least, an important one. The definitions are important to have a reasonable debate.

By the way, just those two terms would seemingly suggest that the scientific community already acknowledge that climate naturally has some variance, however, what seems to have been the trend has been systemic changes occurring specifically since we (human's) became industrialised.

Whether it is proved or not is beyond my knowledge base and skill set to understand, but, it is concerning that the language used is not accurate at times.

You are correct. The carbon signal really only became dominant during the last 50-60 years.

There is a strong correlation (coeff. 0.86) for CO2 against temperature for that period.

The problem is that those who read the blogs seem incapable of thinking for themselves and just recite the mantra that climate change is natural as it was in the beginning, both now, and always, world without end. Amen.

(or something similar)

Dead horse - Please behave.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #26 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 10:14pm Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #27 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 1:40am Dead horse - Please behave. << i i cap'n!!
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: The five stages of denial Reply #28 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 8:44pm 2b seems particularly prevalent here. Come to think of it, shouldn't that be: 2b(i) deny there's a consensus; 2b(ii) deny that it matters?
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Re: The five stages of denial
Reply #29 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 9:26pm

Winston Smith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

You're not fooling no one buddy! Wink

Neither are you I suspect

I'm not trying to, but you are! Cheesy

Actually mate, you are. You have made an assertion based on your own assumption with absolutely no evidence in support of your assertion and, you then compound that after my denial by carrying it on.

In short, that is actually trying to fool people.

I have stated clearly that I do not vote Liberal. Further I pointed out that it is none of your business or anyone elses who I vote for unless I choose to share it with them.

You clearly base your assumption on one post. I would suggest further reading and see if your assertion still holds up. I realise you won't like my suggestion but, at the end of the day, I don't give a poo about that.

You are mostly wrong in what you posted. I hope that is not a common thing for you.

Now, regarding the environment? Anything to offer?

He's a nut, he only comes on here to get attention. It could have been any forum, it just happened to be this one. Don't respond to him, like many posters on this forum, he is a black hole.

Voyeurism is bad mmmmK!

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