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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2595 - Nov 21st, 2020 at 10:49am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2020 at 7:08pm:
Their country, their laws.

Good luck to them.


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Reply #2596 - Aug 22nd, 2021 at 1:20pm
 
Apparently only peaceful people flee violence...

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 22nd, 2021 at 1:08pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2021 at 10:27am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2021 at 11:29pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  You lot never seem to learn, never seem to want to understand people who are different, who practice a different religion.  The people who flee events like Afghanistan are the peaceful ones, the ones we should be encouraging to leave Afghanistan.  They fear the Taliban and so seek a peaceful haven.  Australia represents that peaceful haven to them.  99% of them will be good Australians.  Yes, they will be different Australians but we live in a Multi-religious, Multicultural nation.  We should be prepared to tolerate them and they will learn to tolerate us, even you Islamophobes even as you attempt to persecute them.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Or they could just be equally violent members of a different branch of Islam, eg Shite vs Sunni. Our army was not recruiting the little old ladies.

How do you remain so naive Brian?


You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #2597 - Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm
 
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.
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Reply #2598 - Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


The Bible is similar to the Koran:
If you find any non believers in a city then you have to destroy
the whole city and anyone in it.



Deuteronomy  13  KJV

13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2599 - Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


Seems Freediver is unable to read. Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2600 - Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


Seems Freediver is unable to read. Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



"I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations. (Islamic nations)"
- Brian Ross


Therefore, since you are not a Christian, you should also recognize you have no right to criticize Christianity



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Reply #2601 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:24am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


Seems Freediver is unable to read. Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Were you unable to read my response Brian? I pointed out, very patiently, as if to a child, that you still haven't produced a quote.
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2602 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 8:07am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:53pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:

This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


The Bible is similar to the Koran:

If you find any non believers in a city then you have to destroy
the whole city and anyone in it.



bobby,

Your claim is correct,    ONLY,    in that the Koran, is a claimed religious text.
Nothing else.



bobby,

You are up shiite creek, in ignorantly making that claim.


Hey bobby,

Instead of browsing EVIL BIBLE.COM for all of the nasty bits
.....why don't you read your bible, from cover to cover ????


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Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:53pm:

Deuteronomy  13  KJV

13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.




bobby,

Deuteronomy 13 is referring to    COVENANT BREAKERS [among the Israelite's],    and is not referring to 'unbelievers' per se.


THE COVENANT IS MADE.....
Exodus 19:7
And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8  And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

IF THE COVENANT IS BROKEN.....
Deuteronomy 13:12
If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
13  Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;



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HEY BOBBY......

Also in Deuteronomy.....


------ >

"LOVE YE THEREFORE THE STRANGER"

'stranger' = = the unbeliever


Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2603 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 8:19am
 
dear Yadda,
it is clear
Let us go and serve other gods

You can't rename it to covenant breakers and
even if you do it's still the same as the mussies -
killing people for their religious beliefs.


Your argument is just a play on words.


The Muslims got all their ideas from the Bible
including all the barbaric punishments in their Sharia law.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are Abrahamic religions.

The problem is all about religious fundamentalist people following
Abrahamic religion literally.
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Reply #2604 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 8:35am
 

@ Reply #2603,


It was a different AGE bobby.    .... ~3,400 years ago.

It was an age, when if a person broke his covenant with God, God required that persons life.


Deuteronomy 13:6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7  Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8  Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9  But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10  And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11  And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.


Guess what bobby ?

God still HATES    all    liars and deceivers.




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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2605 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 5:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


Seems Freediver is unable to read. Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Were you unable to read my response Brian? I pointed out, very patiently, as if to a child, that you still haven't produced a quote.


I provided references, Freediver as there were too many to quote.  You appear incapable of using Google.  Tsk, tsk,   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #2606 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 5:33pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


Seems Freediver is unable to read. Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Were you unable to read my response Brian? I pointed out, very patiently, as if to a child, that you still haven't produced a quote.


I provided references, Freediver as there were too many to quote.  You appear incapable of using Google.  Tsk, tsk,   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You provided a very long list of references to the Bible not instructing Christians to go out and slaughter the infidel. No other religion instructs its followers to do this the way Islam does.
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2607 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 10:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 5:33pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


Seems Freediver is unable to read. Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Were you unable to read my response Brian? I pointed out, very patiently, as if to a child, that you still haven't produced a quote.


I provided references, Freediver as there were too many to quote.  You appear incapable of using Google.  Tsk, tsk,   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You provided a very long list of references to the Bible not instructing Christians to go out and slaughter the infidel. No other religion instructs its followers to do this the way Islam does.


If you have read the references you would have discovered that is EXACTLY what the believers of the Bible were instructed to do, Freediver.  Why not admit you're talking out of your bum?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #2608 - Aug 30th, 2021 at 11:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 10:58pm:
If you have read the references you would have discovered that is EXACTLY what the believers of the Bible were instructed to do, Freediver.  Why not admit you're talking out of your bum?


How long ago was that?


But muslims are still killing unbelievers today, you might have noticed

And you're still personally insulting posters too I see, infringing on your own high moral code of rules
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Reply #2609 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:49am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 10:58pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 5:33pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 6:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 9:07pm:
This from someone who claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Islam:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
The Bible instructs it's followers to go out and slaughter unbelievers as well, Freediver.  Instructions followed by Christian Terrorists, to the letter.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you would expect, Brian was not able to produce any quotes.


Seems Freediver is unable to read. Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Were you unable to read my response Brian? I pointed out, very patiently, as if to a child, that you still haven't produced a quote.


I provided references, Freediver as there were too many to quote.  You appear incapable of using Google.  Tsk, tsk,   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You provided a very long list of references to the Bible not instructing Christians to go out and slaughter the infidel. No other religion instructs its followers to do this the way Islam does.


If you have read the references you would have discovered that is EXACTLY what the believers of the Bible were instructed to do, Freediver.  Why not admit you're talking out of your bum?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Can you quote one of these instructions?

Why not?

And why are you using past tense?
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