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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1515 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:23pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

No they don't. That is another lie.

If it is a "lie" you should be able to prove I am "lying", Lisa. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1516 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

You are lying outrageously. You know you are lying and you go ahead and lie anyway.

Disgraceful.

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Reply #1517 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:25pm

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

I smell troll....of the Brian Ross variety.

He's posting nothing but nonsense. Nothing logical, nothing factual....just rubbish...the stuff of insanity even.

Probably his idea of a good bait.

And here I was, thinking he was nice n normal. Ohh well ... Roll Eyes

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1518 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:26pm

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

It has nothing to do with mainstream, regular, everyday, Australian Islam, FD, no matter how you attempt to dress it up as such.

You still haven't told us how you differentiate between the 'majority' and the 'tiny minority' BEFORE the former turns into the latter by shooting up a bar, a newspaper office, a Christmas party, etc.

I say there is no difference between the beliefs of the 'vast majority' and the 'tony minority'. You say there is.

EXPLAIN.

By their acts and their statements. You know, the stuff we normally judge people by, in normal Western jurisprudence? Not by prejudice, bigotry and hatred. Roll Eyes

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You can't. You are lying.

Prove it.

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Reply #1519 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:28pm

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

You are lying outrageously. You know you are lying and you go ahead and lie anyway.

If I am "lying" prove I am "lying", Frank. Go on, it should be easy for you, if as you claim, you know all about Third World Jurisprudence... Roll Eyes

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Disgraceful.

Oh, hum, more ad hominum. Is that the best you can do? Roll Eyes

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Reply #1520 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

No they don't. That is another lie.

If it is a "lie" you should be able to prove I am "lying", Lisa. Roll Eyes

I don't have to prove anything to someone like you.

You on the other hand should do yourself a favour by providing links for the silly claims you initiate.

Oh and in case you've not yet worked it out, so far tonight, your own links have contradicted your silly comments. Grin

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Reply #1521 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:34pm

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It has nothing to do with mainstream, regular, everyday, Australian Islam, FD, no matter how you attempt to dress it up as such.
If has about as much to do with mainstream, regular, every non-Australian Islam as it does with Christianity.

Is Australian Islam different to other types of Islam? Are you trying to figure out a way out of you squishy bind of having no right or even ability to criticise other religions and nations?

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When you get around to condemning Christians and their religion as vehemently as you do Islam and Muslims, FD, I might listen to you.

But you would still close your ears as soon as I went back to criticising Islam?

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I say there is no difference between the beliefs of the 'vast majority' and the 'tony minority'. You say there is.
EXPLAIN.
You can't. You are lying.

According to Gandalf the 'vast majority' includes terrorism supporters.

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By their acts and their statements.

But you refuse to look at their statements Brian, and their acts, according to you, have nothing to do with Islam. We have seen it here on this forum with quotes by Muslims you feel compelled to defend. Even when it is in front of your face you will deny it.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1522 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:38pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

No they don't. That is another lie.

If it is a "lie" you should be able to prove I am "lying", Lisa. Roll Eyes

I don't have to prove anything to someone like you.

You on the other hand should do yourself a favour by providing links for the silly claims you initiate.

Why?

You won't believe them even if I do provide them, Lisa. You hate me because I refuse to worship your Christ (not that there is anything with him). You are entitled to your own beliefs, Lisa, just don't try and expect that I will march to your drum beat.

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Oh and in case you've not yet worked it out, so far tonight, your own links have contradicted your silly comments. Grin

Really? And why haven't you posted corrections then, Lisa?

In reality, nearly everything I say is supported by what I post. Which is more than what most bigots claim IMHO. Roll Eyes

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1523 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

No they don't. That is another lie.

If it is a "lie" you should be able to prove I am "lying", Lisa. Roll Eyes

I don't have to prove anything to someone like you.

You on the other hand should do yourself a favour by providing links for the silly claims you initiate.

Why?

You won't believe them even if I do provide them, Lisa. You hate me because I refuse to worship your Christ (not that there is anything with him). You are entitled to your own beliefs, Lisa, just don't try and expect that I will march to your drum beat.

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Oh and in case you've not yet worked it out, so far tonight, your own links have contradicted your silly comments. Grin

Really? And why haven't you posted corrections then, Lisa?

In reality, nearly everything I say is supported by what I post. Which is more than what most bigots claim IMHO. Roll Eyes

Your lies have been addressed and exposed many times this evening. Consider this a multi pronged correction.

And nearly everything you post is supported by Conjecture, Supposition and their 2 buddies Ignorance and Denial.

Lucky you lol Shocked

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Reply #1524 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

You are lying outrageously. You know you are lying and you go ahead and lie anyway.

If I am "lying" prove I am "lying", Frank. Go on, it should be easy for you, if as you claim, you know all about Third World Jurisprudence... Roll Eyes

Gay killing is sharia based in ALL the countries that sanction gay killing, you liar. ALL of them. Look it up you illiterate apologist. EVERY single such law is based in sharia. Every. single. one.

But you know that yet you lie anyway because that's the kind of little apologist you are.

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Reply #1525 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 11:55am

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

You are lying outrageously. You know you are lying and you go ahead and lie anyway.

If I am "lying" prove I am "lying", Frank. Go on, it should be easy for you, if as you claim, you know all about Third World Jurisprudence... Roll Eyes

Gay killing is sharia based in ALL the countries that sanction gay killing, you liar. ALL of them. Look it up you illiterate apologist. EVERY single such law is based in sharia. Every. single. one.

But you know that yet you lie anyway because that's the kind of little apologist you are.

Do you mean sanction, or legislate?
Because that one word totally changes the meaning of your statement.
If your going to TROLL please read your dictionary first. Wink

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1526 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 11:57am Just to clarify, i am an apologist. Not for what people say, rather for what people fail to understand.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98024	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1527 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 12:06pm Pho Huc wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 11:57am: Just to clarify, i am an apologist. Not for what people say, rather for what people fail to understand. Me too, Pho. I think we're all apologists in our own way.
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Reply #1528 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

It has nothing to do with mainstream, regular, everyday, Australian Islam, FD, no matter how you attempt to dress it up as such.

You still haven't told us how you differentiate between the 'majority' and the 'tiny minority' BEFORE the former turns into the latter by shooting up a bar, a newspaper office, a Christmas party, etc.

I say there is no difference between the beliefs of the 'vast majority' and the 'tony minority'. You say there is.

EXPLAIN.

By their acts and their statements. You know, the stuff we normally judge people by, in normal Western jurisprudence? Not by prejudice, bigotry and hatred. Roll Eyes

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You can't. You are lying.

Prove it.

How many of the Australian Imams' Council (hosteb by Malcolm at Kirribilli House recently) uphold and support the sharia law applying to gays?

All of them. NO imam is against the sharia rules on gays, women, non-Muslims, anything. They are ALL for sharia.

They are just not powerful enough to implement their beliefs yet.

You are a lying

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Reply #1529 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

Frank wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

It has nothing to do with mainstream, regular, everyday, Australian Islam, FD, no matter how you attempt to dress it up as such.

You still haven't told us how you differentiate between the 'majority' and the 'tiny minority' BEFORE the former turns into the latter by shooting up a bar, a newspaper office, a Christmas party, etc.

I say there is no difference between the beliefs of the 'vast majority' and the 'tony minority'. You say there is.

EXPLAIN.

By their acts and their statements. You know, the stuff we normally judge people by, in normal Western jurisprudence? Not by prejudice, bigotry and hatred. Roll Eyes

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You can't. You are lying.

Prove it.

How many of the Australian Imams' Council (hosteb by Malcolm at Kirribilli House recently) uphold and support the sharia law applying to gays?

All of them. NO imam is against the sharia rules on gays, women, non-Muslims, anything. They are ALL for sharia.

They are just not powerful enough to implement their beliefs yet.

You are a lying

Really? Prove that I have "knowingly told an untruth", Frank.

I look forward to you prove that I have, "knowingly told an untruth". Where is it? Oh, you haven't yet proved it. What a pity. Roll Eyes

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