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Reply #1230 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 11:09am

And it is not merely about seeking to 'reason' with, or being 'reasonable' towards, 'the moslem'.

How can a person have a meaningful [and peaceful] relationship with another, when that other, is continually misrepresenting himself/his position ?

So true. Western democracies have this weak spot, or perhaps its ultimately a strength, that they think people of other persuasions are coming from the same direction they are. Sometimes they're not. Sometimes their perspective is wholly unrelated to any reality we understand and can build a relationship of trust on.
Such is the case with much of the muslim world.

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Reply #1231 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 11:12am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

But if someone deliberately lets them out, he can expect to be held responsible.

Of course. Its beside the point though. I am still acting out of fear of the dogs.

And you would be mad not to fear rabid dogs. It's not irrational. Holding the guy who lets them loose responsible for letting them loose is not rabid-dogophobia.
It's holding someone responsible for acting irresponsibly when he could have acted otherwise.
You are not holding the dogs responsible because they cannot do otherwise, even if you, naturally, fear their bite.

You are trying to reason with a Muslim. It will not work.

Seems to work with everybody who is honest with him! Stop being Islamophobic! Grin

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1232 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:25pm Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 7:51am: "Mainstream" niqabis and bearded numpties in pajama oppose assimilation into Western society. Don't let this documentary get lost in the dross.
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Reply #1233 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 6:58am

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

the extremists of Islam have said they take extreme offence at anyone mocking their god...

and they say they will deal with it by killing people.. innocent people people who have not a thing to do with mocking....people who happen to be in the way..

I think it is worth trying to appease these guys by not mocking...its worth a try....thats all I am saying.. but some think thats taking away their personal freedom of speech...how dare any madman do that...let him kill as many as he wants.. I demand to read this mocking...

and yet I cannot read feedback...to me thats a double standard..

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Reply #1234 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:27am

For those who were trying to argue that brian did not actually mean what he said in the OP - he is at it again. Merely criticising people has turned into a nefarious jedi mind control technique....

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion. I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent. You, OTOH appear to feel that you can criticise anybody for their decision to believe what they want. I suppose it goes with your trick-cyclist training, interfering in the decisions of others. Roll Eyes

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1235 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 12:03pm Oooh, took you long enough FD! Brian's wanted another mention here for some time!
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1236 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 2:45pm FD's been flat out last few days trying to explain how a conspiracy's not a conspiracy.
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Reply #1237 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 5:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

FD's been flat out last few days trying to explain how a conspiracy's not a conspiracy.

The last few days? That’s nothing. FD’s usual diversions last for weeks. He’s kept this thread going for over a year.

And you don’t help.

This thread was a bit of an experiment. FD didn’t have an.Abu at the time, so he thought he’d invent the apologist.

So far, it’s been a roaring success.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1238 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 6:16pm FD at least achieved one thing with this thread - inventing a new word 'aplogetics'.
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Reply #1239 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

FD's been flat out last few days trying to explain how a conspiracy's not a conspiracy.

It is submission to the violence and the threat of violence which is the language of Islam.

So it is not a conspiracy but a concerted threat of violence by Muslims. It is relentless, it covers everything from beheadings to demos to law-fare. Islam is peaceful ONLY when others submit to it. It will never compromise in its demand of Submission. It simply wants to dominate. No alternative.

It does not want to coexist under another, overarching jurisdiction - it wants to dominate or fight until it dominates. So everywhere it is being fought and resisted because it is not a religion of peace or coexistence but of dominance and submission.

This is the clash of civilisations. Islam will not compromise - it must dominate or fight until it dominates.

Well, Gandy, F Vck tolerating THAT. I have no interest in accommodating any of that, no matter how you want to smuggle it in under the cover of 'multiculturalism'.

There is ZERO multiculturalism in Islam until everyone submits to it.

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FD Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100001	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1240 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 9:27pm Stirring words, old boy. Winston Churchill? Marvellous stuff.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1241 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 7:21am I love listening to Soren taking the moral high ground against Islam's intolerance - as part of his campaign to create an equally intolerant society of his own. Soren's rantings against islamic societies is not a condemnation of it - its a call to emulate it.
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Reply #1242 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

I love listening to Soren taking the moral high ground against Islam's intolerance - as part of his campaign to create an equally intolerant society of his own.

Soren's rantings against islamic societies is not a condemnation of it - its a call to emulate it.

Ah, the old 'we demand tolerance for Islamic intolerance' wheeze, Gandy.

Carry on.

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Reply #1243 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 7:56am

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

I love listening to Soren taking the moral high ground against Islam's intolerance - as part of his campaign to create an equally intolerant society of his own.

Soren's rantings against islamic societies is not a condemnation of it - its a call to emulate it.

Ah, the old 'we demand tolerance for Islamic intolerance' wheeze, Gandy.

Carry on.

Thats your strawman Soren.

I have never said any such thing. Not once - ever. Quote me if you disagree.

The difference between you and me is the pride we feel in our own society's values - I am proud of them, while you despise them.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #1244 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 9:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion. I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.

So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain?

When you make that criticism public, Soren, then I have a right in turn to criticise your criticism... Roll Eyes

So when they make their beliefs public, I have the right to criticise them.

And when they don't, Soren, what happens then?

Your problem is you make no effort to differentiate between those private Muslims and the public Muslims... Roll Eyes

Gandalf, are you a public or a private Muslim?

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