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Reply #45 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:08am

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

Your getting confusing Bam, you made reference to a denier, is this a warming or cooling denier.

The only deniers that are generally accepted are those that deny any warming trend. Cooling deniers is something you've just made up.

get used to it. the new 'deniers' are going to be people like you who deny the cooling of the earth.

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Reply #46 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:09am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

The AGW “consensus” involves a relatively small coterie
of climate scientists

ACTUALLY ...

Survey finds 97% of climate science papers agree
warming is man-made

Overwhelming majority of peer-reviewed papers taking a position on global warming say

humans are causing it

Read on ...

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/may/16...

a survey of 77 people making it 75 scientists in total. also a VERY VERY old figure.

maybe time to get a credible and recent figure???

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Reply #47 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:11am

PZ547 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:06am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

Your getting confusing Bam, you made reference to a denier, is this a warming or cooling denier.

The only deniers that are generally accepted are those that deny any warming trend. Cooling deniers is something you've just made up.

You're wrong again

and you insist on advertising your utter lack of knowledge

'Cooling deniers' is a term that gained traction more than three years ago, world-wide

It refers to those who cling stubbornly to a belief and hope in the fiction that is 'global warming' and 'bad carbon', etc

Basically, it means 'morons'

Cheesy

love it... LOL

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Reply #48 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:11am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:04am:

I think that the North pole getting more ice is a product
of the stopping of the Gulf Stream owing to global warming.

Indeed global warming could plunge England & Europe into a mini ice age.

The real test is the average temperature of our planet not
a localized effect.

Another one who wants to believe they were 'on the right side' re: the fiction that is 'climate change/global warming' etc

You do realise, or should, that when Gore and his cronies were devising the huge bull-shite scam of 'global warming/bad carbon/climate change' (they've had to keep moving the goal-posts as science shot them down) --- they falsified the data

I went to great trouble to post it above

they falsified the data

but when the data was examined by genuine scientists (31,000 plus to date) it was exposed as a sham. And the true data revealed the warmest temperatures had been and gone in the 1930s

Go on Bobby -- read some of the stuff

or remain ignorant

up to you

billions already know it

but if you want to stay with the other loons at the bottom of the class --- meh

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Reply #50 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:17am

WikiLeaks Reveals U.S. & EU Climate Bullying, Bribery, Espionage

A series of secret U.S. diplomatic cables released in recent days by the whistle-blower group WikiLeaks shows the

American and European governments used monetary incentives, threats, and even espionage to advance their “climate” agenda

at the COP15 global-warming summit in Copenhagen last year and beyond.

the U.K. Guardian reported: “Hidden behind the save-the-world rhetoric of the global climate change negotiations lies the mucky realpolitik: money and threats buy political support; spying and cyberwarfare are used to seek out leverage.”

“Saudi officials are very eager to obtain investment credits for Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) and other technology transfer projects that will only become available once an agreement has been reached
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To add just a little more irony, government apologists and officials are now calling for the prosecution of WikiLeaks for exposing the scandals

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/1346-wikileaks-reveals-us--eu-climate-bullying-bribery-espionage

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Reply #51 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:33am

'
Cap and Trade by Stealth: U.S. States Partner With Foreign Governments

While Americans were battling cap-and-trade legislation at the national and international levels, global-warming alarmists were quietly building regional systems between state and local governments, private industry, and even foreign governments that basically achieve the same effect --

higher energy prices for consumers and more money for governments.

The first and most prominent of these U.S. cap-and-trade systems is known as the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI). It was created not by the people through their legislatures, but by a so-called Memorandum of Understanding between state governors.

But the corruption is already coming out in the open

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There motto is:

' We drive bold climate action through our network of business, government and thought leaders.'

Govt. of NSW

Govt. of South Australia

City of Sydney

Govt. of Victoria

of West Oz

etc.

are 'partners'

The organization works with the United Nations Development Program, the World Economic Forum, the Administrative Center for China's Agenda 21, the U.S. Department of Energy, and other high-profile institutions, agencies and governments to advance the global climate agenda. And it promotes the implementation of global-warming schemes through sub-national levels of government among other things.

The UN Development Program estimates that 50 per cent to 80 per cent of the emissions cuts needed to keep climate change below 2C will need to be delivered at state, regional and city levels, the co-chairs noted in their joint column for The Australian entitled Think globally, act locally? States already are. This is because regional governments often control regulation for many of the key areas for addressing climate change, such as power generation, the built environment, waste management, transport and land use planning

those same forces are building a powerful and expensive carbon regime
that could eventually encompass every state in the Union, and beyond

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/3578-cap-and-trade-by-stealth-us-states-partner-with-foreign-governments

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Reply #52 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:23am:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

But seriously, everyone's aware the planet has been entering a natural cooling phase for years now

Rubbish.

"Everyone knows" - Who is this "everyone"?

"natural cooling phase" - Really? This is a lie. Why has the last ten years been the warmest ten years on record globally? Take the last ten completed years, 2003-2012, and find any other period of ten consecutive years that were warmer, going back to 1880 when reliable weather records first became available. You won't find any. Why?

One of two things is at fault here, Bam

Either it's your dismal lack of education and/or abysmal ignorance

Only one of us here is ignorant in science. It's you. Not me. I'm discussing global warming using the actual data. You're resorting to personal attacks against me, climate scientists and any other fallacious and desperate line of discussion that avoids the actual data at any price.

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Or

It's your complete inability to comprehend

The information is being presented to you here in this thread

What? That I refuse to accept the hit parade of denier fallacies? That's not information, that's junk.

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Would pay you to read and to try to absorb some of it

No thank you, I prefer to engage in reasonable lines of discussion.

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That way, you won't embarrass yourself as greatly in the future

You're the one that's an embarrassment. Why won't you discuss the data? Why do you do anything to avoid discussing the actual, raw, unadorned and complete global data?

You mean like the UK METs data showing no statistically relevant change in temperature over the last 17 years?

Why have most of the last 10 years been among the warmest 10 years on record? As for "statistically relevant", that's not correct. There was a similar trend from 1980 to 1995.

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Or the fact that in those hysterical climate models of some time ago they identified 17 years of no change as the time frame that would invalidate their own findings?

It's a shame that your views are coloured by being selective with the facts. I notice that you have rejected most facts that disagree with your viewpoint and only offer a few that support them, no matter how dubious. You're building your argument around one single climate model while ignoring others.

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The silly embarrassing statement that their 20 year model of temperature was spot-on... as long as you ignore all the things we got wrong or didn't expect or didn't know about. Its like saying you got 100% in an exam by removing all the questions you got wrong.

This explains your own line of argument rather well. You're being rather selective with the facts. Why so much emphasis on UK met data? Why no mention of other data that contradicts this? Why ignore the fact that most of the last 10 years are among the warmest on record with all reliable data sets? Why ignore the CO₂ to temperature correlation?

I do not place any particular emphasis on what other people say about the data. It's waffle, especially the fallacies. I prefer to look at the data itself. The firmest foundations are the CO₂ and temperature data. Both are quite clear, especially CO₂ concentration. Where there's more room for debate is in causes and predictions. Healthy discussion on climate change should focus on this.

I reject anything that is fallacious. So far in this thread I have seen numerous fallacious arguments against anthropogenic global warming, including the fallacies of ad hominem, tu quoque, gambler's fallacy, bandwagon, Texas sharpshooter and appeal to authority. It's only a matter of time before there's going to be other fallacies offered as well.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Global cooling started. Reply #53 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:44am longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:09am: a survey of 77 people making it 75 scientists in total. also a VERY VERY old figure. maybe time to get a credible and recent figure??? 1998 data to be mentioned by CC deniers in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Global cooling started. Reply #54 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:04am: I think that the North pole getting more ice is a product of the stopping of the Gulf Stream owing to global warming. It is possible. Is there enough data yet to support or refute this?
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Reply #55 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:53am

I'd rather look at the facts, Global warming alarmist said there would be no ice in the artic by 2013 but there is 60% growth of ice coverage since this time last year. The fact is there is more ice. Global alarmist has used the ice sheets as their proof of Global warming since day 1, now there is more ice how can it be warmer, ice only forms when its colder

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Reply #56 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:56am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

Your getting confusing Bam, you made reference to a denier, is this a warming or cooling denier.

The only deniers that are generally accepted are those that deny any warming trend. Cooling deniers is something you've just made up.

get used to it. the new 'deniers' are going to be people like you who deny the cooling of the earth.

What cooling? Where is the data? Last time I checked, global temperatures have been warmer than the 1961-1990 average for 27 years in a row. When will we next get a year where global temperatures are below the 1961-1990 average?

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Reply #57 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 11:00am

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Man Made Climate Change Arguments Don’t Survive Scrutiny

September 02, 2013

Proponents of man-made climate change are being challenged more and more by scientists who don’t buy into the climate catastrophe scare

Scrutiny of man made climate change arguments reveal why they are failing

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* Nature is showing us that carbon dioxide concentrations are not ruling global temperature.

* Since 1998 twenty eight percent of all carbon dioxide emissions released into the atmosphere since 1850 have occurred yet there has been no warming.

* World wide hurricanes are not increasing in number or strength. There has been no category 3 or higher hurricane strike in the United States since 2005. This year, in the United States, we are on our way to having the fewest number of tornadoes since modern record keeping began. Sea level is rising at the same rate is has for the last 100 years with no acceleration.

* Polar Bear populations are at record highs.

* Computer model temperature predictions are much too warm and the difference between them and measured temperature is increasing each year.

* Arctic sea ice loss at the end of the summer has leveled off.

* Man made climate change arguments are failing because they are wrong.

See more at: http://www.energytribune.com/79020/man-made-climate-change-arguments-dont-survive-scrutiny#sthash.5hFY3dBp.dpuf

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Reply #58 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 11:01am

For SO LONG, it has to me, been an endless source of BAFFLEMENT, BEWILDERMENT and AMUSEMENT - as to what drives that

2% crack-pot fringe of society

, that TRUELY BELIEVES ...

The Pope is the REAL head of The Mafia

911 was an operation secretly arranged between MOSSAD and the CIA

Climate change alert is a plot by the COMMUNISTS for "ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT"

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NICK MINCHIN: For the extreme left it provides the opportunity to do what they've always wanted to do, to sort of de-industrialise the western world. You know the collapse of communism was a disaster for the left, and the, and really they embraced environmentalism as their new religion.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2009/s2737676.htm

( ... Julie Bishop has reportedly earmarked the job of Australia's Consul-General to New York to former Senator, Nick Minchin - following the politically driven sacking of Steve Bracks)

Is it just a desire to be "special" - and stand out from the crowd ?

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