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Reply #30 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:33am
 
U.S. Cooling, Not Warming, Over Past Decade, Govt. Data Shows


“The trend for the continental United States for the past 10 years is not flat, but cooling.”


Watts discovered in the course of his investigation that
historical temperature data has been modified, possibly in an effort to make the warming trend of the last 60 years appear more significant that it really is


“The U.S. has warmed during the past century, but the warming hardly exceeds year-to-year variability. Indeed, in the U.S. the warmest decade was the 1930s and the warmest year was 1934.”



most of the climate-change hysteria is grounded in left-wing ideology, not science. The facts are irrelevant; what matters is being able to use the threat of “global warming” to put Marxist theory into practice.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/7005-us-cooling-not-warming-over-past-decade-govt-data-shows
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Reply #31 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:39am
 
Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:23am:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 7:54am:
But seriously, everyone's aware the planet has been entering a natural cooling phase for years now

Rubbish.

"Everyone knows" - Who is this "everyone"?

"natural cooling phase" - Really? This is a lie. Why has the last ten years been the warmest ten years on record globally? Take the last ten completed years, 2003-2012, and find any other period of ten consecutive years that were warmer, going back to 1880 when reliable weather records first became available. You won't find any. Why?

try this then, instead of just taking notice of high peaks in temps, take a look at the low peeks in temps, better yet, take a look at the average, temps are cooling.
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Reply #32 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:48am
 
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The Real Agenda Behind UN “Sustainability” Unmasked



For starters, it helps to look at who was running the show
.

The Secretary-General of Rio+20 was a notorious anti-American Chinese Communist known as Sha Zukang, a man who spent decades working for the mass-murdering regime ruling over mainland China before starting his career as a senior UN official. He has openly proclaimed his hatred of Americans. And the fact that he gave an award to the Chinese general responsible for the mass slaughter of protesters at Tiananmen Square offers even more insight into his character.

In terms of Zukang’s vision, the day before the summit began, China’s state-run propaganda organ Xinhua quoted him as saying that the totalitarian-ruled nation had made “great progress” on “sustainable development.” His close connection to the ruthless regime was never revealed, with the report referring to him only as a UN official. But according to the high-ranking Communist Party operative, the Chinese dictatorship has “broad prospects” for participation in “international cooperation” on the issue of so-called “sustainability.”   

The executive coordinator of the Rio+20 summit, meanwhile, was French socialist Brice Lalonde, a reliable advocate of bigger and more centralized government, using whatever pretext might be most effective. Apparently a cousin of U.S. Senator John Kerry and a well-known figure in France, Lalonde also has a long history of using environmentalism to advance a collectivist agenda

UN documents on the conference released before the summit also shed light on what the true agenda was.

A report prepared by some three dozen UN agencies entitled “Working Towards a Balanced and Inclusive Green Economy: A United Nations System-wide Perspective,” for example, detailed the scheme to foist a “green” world order on the planet by making every level of government — regional, national, sub-national, and local — subservient to the agenda.

According to the document,
the transition toward a global “green economy” was expected to cost trillions of dollars per year. Every aspect of human life — lifestyles, opinions, behavior, education, health, consumption, production, agriculture, diet, law, taxation, industry, governance, and more — would have to be reshaped to conform to new international standards
. On the same note as sentiments expressed by billionaires like George Soros, Ted Turner, and David Rockefeller, certain Communist Chinese policies were described as a “good example.”

To enforce its controversial vision,
the UN
said it would have
to assume vast new powers, including global regulatory authority and enforcement mechanisms to ensure compliance
.

National regulations would have to be replaced with global ones, the report explained
.

Other global powers touted in the document included carbon taxes
, trillions of dollars annually in wealth redistribution, population-reduction schemes, and a barrage of programs dealing with everything from poverty and education to health and resource allocation.

To pay for it all, aside from
new world taxes and higher prices across the board
, a new global currency run by the International Monetary Fund might have to be considered, according to the document

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Over a dozen respected scientists and university professors, including several who worked with the UN science apparatus in the past -- said the document was nothing but UN fear-mongering — lies, exaggerations, and political propaganda.
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In essence, then, the true agenda had little to do with “sustainability,” poverty, or a so-called “green economy”

This exposes the so-called 'Green' groups as nothing more than controlled-opposition instrumental in perverting sovereign governments and bending them to obey one world government

Those who Post for Pay as part of the agenda deserve to be cast from our midst and left to rot in the wilderness

http://www.thenewamerican.com/rio-20/item/12008-the-real-agenda-behind-un-%E2%80%9Csustainability%E2%80%9D-unmasked
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Reply #33 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:50am
 
Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:12am:
BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 7:46am:
http://cdn.isciencetimes.com/data/images/full/2013/09/11/4999-global-cooling.jpg
NASA satellite images show August 2012 [left] and August 2013 [right]. (Photo: NASA)

Are we experiencing global cooling?

No. You're showing two photographs of a small part of the world and attempting to assert that it is representative of the whole. It's not. That is cherry picking and is a fallacious line of argument. 
It is not only NOT cherry-picking, it is also not without value and importance.  For years, the Arctic ice cap has been used as some kind of independent barometer to the state of the climate.  Now that the message is not to your liking you want to abandon it?


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A cool Arctic summer allowed nearly a million more squre miles of ice to form over the same time last year. This figure represents a growth of 60 percent.

Extrapolating a trend from two data points is not reliable. If you had a clue you would know this.
You are not quite right.  it is the weakest extrapolation possible but it is not invalid. Given the ACC crowds belief in never-ending warming a major example of the obverse occurring is hardly unimportant.  And if YOU had a clue you would know that any trend that changes direction will always start with just two points initially. What are you going to say when the next photo shows continued growth?


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The incredible arctic ice growth after the record low of 2012 is significant.

No. It' not. It's just a pair of cherry picked data points. One cool winter in a part of the world does not prove a cooling trend for the whole world. true, but only in a weak sense.  when the arctic shows notable cooling that is indeed very indicative of a cooling trend.  not proof positive, but highly potent evidence just the same.

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Just six years ago, a science article from the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free by the summer of 2013.

Predictions are not always accurate. Your point? 
At what point are you going to start holding climate predictions to account?  Yes, not all predictions are accurate but climate hysteric predictions have been massively wrong and repeatedly so.  this is just another very big miss by the ACC lot whose predictive abilities are beyond awful


I've seen plenty of predictions from deniers that were also inaccurate. 
Worst... argument... ever!


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The indication of global cooling indicates the opposite. According to monitors, the Arctic now features an unbroken ice sheet that is larger than half of Europe. The sheet stretches from the Canadian islands all the way to Russia's northern shores. What's more, the Arctic's Northwest Passage has been blocked by ice all year. More than 20 yachts that attempted to sail the passage were left ice bound. A cruise ship was also forced to turn back around.

Again, so what? It's just a data point. A general trend does not rule out the possibility of significant fluctuations around the mean. You have no idea about statistics.

Melbourne has just had it's warmest July on record. That is not particularly significant if taken in isolation. Yet we seem to have a large number of such warmest-on-record reports from all over the world and a relative lack of coolest-on-record reports. The overall aggregate of all the data also points to persistent warmer conditions than the long-term averages.


you have this tendency to use blinkers.  But that's okay as it is a pre-requisite to being a climate hysteric.  HIGH temperatures prove ACC but low temperatures are meaningless. 

the ACC hypothesis has comprehensively failed to get a single major prediction right.  And you want to claim that 'the science is settled'???
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Reply #34 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:51am
 
Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:23am:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 7:54am:
But seriously, everyone's aware the planet has been entering a natural cooling phase for years now

Rubbish.

"Everyone's aware" - Who is this "everyone"?

"natural cooling phase" - Really? This is a lie. Why has the last ten years been the warmest ten years on record globally? Take the last ten completed years, 2003-2012, and find any other period of ten consecutive years that were warmer, going back to 1880 when reliable weather records first became available. You won't find any. Why?

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except that the last 17 years has shown NO warming.  Did you miss that inconvenient truth?
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Reply #35 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:51am
 
PZ547 wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:29am:
Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:23am:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 7:54am:
But seriously, everyone's aware the planet has been entering a natural cooling phase for years now

Rubbish.

"Everyone knows" - Who is this "everyone"?

"natural cooling phase" - Really? This is a lie. Why has the last ten years been the warmest ten years on record globally? Take the last ten completed years, 2003-2012, and find any other period of ten consecutive years that were warmer, going back to 1880 when reliable weather records first became available. You won't find any. Why?




One of two things is at fault here, Bam

Either it's your dismal lack of education and/or abysmal ignorance

Only one of us here is ignorant in science. It's you. Not me. I'm discussing global warming using the actual data. You're resorting to personal attacks against me, climate scientists and any other fallacious and desperate line of discussion that avoids the actual data at any price.

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It's your complete inability to comprehend


The information is being presented to you here in this thread

What? That I refuse to accept the hit parade of denier fallacies? That's not information, that's junk.

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Would pay you to read and to try to absorb some of it

No thank you, I prefer to engage in reasonable lines of discussion.

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That way, you won't embarrass yourself as greatly in the future

You're the one that's an embarrassment. Why won't you discuss the data? Why do you do anything to avoid discussing the actual, raw, unadorned and complete global data?
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Reply #36 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:55am
 
Your getting confusing Bam, you made reference to a denier, is this a warming or cooling denier.
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Reply #38 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:58am
 
Grad Students Wrote UN Climate Studies



The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert
 


The use of graduate students to write climate reports



FoxNews.com: 
IPCC’s reports have often been written by graduate students with little or no experience in their field of study and whose efforts normally might be barely enough to satisfy grad school requirements



$76 trillion cost of the UN’s plan for “green technology”:


The UN is engaged in an effort to use the imagined environmental crisis as the justification for a program of sweeping economic redistribution that would shift trillions of dollars from the industrialized nations to the Third World.

The UN is now demanding an “investment” of $1.9 trillion per year in “green technology” to meet the goals that the internationalists have set for the nations of the world.…


Now, the $45 trillion has grown to an even more incomprehensible $76 trillion (based on the proposed 40 years of spending $1.9 trillion per year). Calling such a reckless demand “outrageous” and “unsustainable” still falls short —
what is demanded is nothing less than the conversion of much of what remains of the economies of the developed world into a means of funneling wealth to the World Bank


(
all based on the hoax invented by 65 supposed scientists whom Fox has revealed to comprise largely of students !
)


http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/7003-grad-students-wrote-un-climate-studies
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Reply #39 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:58am
 
Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:51am:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:29am:
Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:23am:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 7:54am:
But seriously, everyone's aware the planet has been entering a natural cooling phase for years now

Rubbish.

"Everyone knows" - Who is this "everyone"?

"natural cooling phase" - Really? This is a lie. Why has the last ten years been the warmest ten years on record globally? Take the last ten completed years, 2003-2012, and find any other period of ten consecutive years that were warmer, going back to 1880 when reliable weather records first became available. You won't find any. Why?




One of two things is at fault here, Bam

Either it's your dismal lack of education and/or abysmal ignorance

Only one of us here is ignorant in science. It's you. Not me. I'm discussing global warming using the actual data. You're resorting to personal attacks against me, climate scientists and any other fallacious and desperate line of discussion that avoids the actual data at any price.

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Or

It's your complete inability to comprehend


The information is being presented to you here in this thread

What? That I refuse to accept the hit parade of denier fallacies? That's not information, that's junk.

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Would pay you to read and to try to absorb some of it

No thank you, I prefer to engage in reasonable lines of discussion.

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That way, you won't embarrass yourself as greatly in the future

You're the one that's an embarrassment. Why won't you discuss the data? Why do you do anything to avoid discussing the actual, raw, unadorned and complete global data?


You mean like the UK METs data showing no statistically relevant change in temperature over the last 17 years?  Or the fact that in those hysterical climate models of some time ago they identified 17 years of no change as the time frame that would invalidate their own findings?  The silly embarrassing statement that their 20 year model of temperature was spot-on... as long as you ignore all the things we got wrong or didn't expect or didn't know about.  Its like saying you got 100% in an exam by removing all the questions you got wrong.
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Reply #40 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:59am
 
BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:55am:
Your getting confusing Bam, you made reference to a denier, is this a warming or cooling denier.

The only deniers that are generally accepted are those that deny any warming trend. Cooling deniers is something you've just made up.

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Reply #41 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 10:03am
 
Now, it would seem that the "science" supposedly supporting such an Earth-shattering inversion of the global economy is the product of graduate students
whose academic credentials and practical experience are hardly substantial enough to justify the ends to which their writings would be employed by the United Nations.

Chiaramonte highlights several of the “lead authors” for the IPCC who were “barely out of college when tapped to author the final word on the effects of climate change”:


One lead author of the 2001 edition was a trainee at the Munich Reinsurance Company in 2000 and lacked a master's degree while on the panel. He did not earn a Ph.D. until ten years later.

Another lead author in 1994 earned his master's only two years earlier and had his first academic paper published in 1995.


An Australian academic was an assistant author in 2001 and a lead author in 2007 — despite not earning her Ph.D. until 2009.

Dutch geography professor Richard Klein has been a lead author for six IPCC reports and in 1997 became a coordinating lead author. He was promoted to the panel’s most senior role while he was 28 years old — six years prior to completing his PhD.

Laframboise claims in the book that “neither [Klein's] youth nor his thin academic credentials prevented the IPCC from regarding him as one of the world’s top experts.”



In the funhouse mirror of the politics of global warming, scholarly critics of the theory (Henk Tennekes of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute, for example) are pilloried, while grad students are the “world’s top experts.”   Grin

Polls have demonstrated that much of the public has already lost all confidence in the theory of manmade climate change.

As more details regarding both the "science" of climate change and the horrific human costs of the solutions for climate change that have been proposed by the United Nations, public faith in any advocate of the theory is likely to plummet.


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Reply #42 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 10:04am
 
I think that the North pole getting more ice is a product
of the stopping of the Gulf Stream owing to global warming.

Indeed global warming could plunge England & Europe into a mini ice age.

The real test is the average temperature of our planet not
a localized effect.
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Reply #43 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 10:06am
 
Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:59am:
BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 9:55am:
Your getting confusing Bam, you made reference to a denier, is this a warming or cooling denier.

The only deniers that are generally accepted are those that deny any warming trend. Cooling deniers is something you've just made up.





You're wrong again

and you insist on advertising your utter lack of knowledge


'Cooling deniers'  is a term that gained traction more than three years ago, world-wide

It refers to those who cling stubbornly to a belief and hope in the fiction that is 'global warming' and 'bad carbon', etc


Basically, it means 'morons' 


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Reply #44 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 10:08am
 
PZ547 wrote on Sep 13th, 2013 at 8:52am:
The AGW “consensus” involves
a relatively small coterie
of climate scientists






ACTUALLY ...




Survey finds 97% of climate science papers agree
warming is man-made

Thursday 16 May 2013

Overwhelming majority of peer-reviewed papers taking a position on global warming say
humans are causing it





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