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Reply #15 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:48am

Climate Science” in Shambles: Real Scientists Battle UN Agenda

Some of the preeminent scientists involved in promoting global-warming alarmism have been disgraced and discredited, after being caught in flagrante in unethical and illegal activities

The AGW consensus scam is one of the most astounding frauds in all of history, not only because it is patently false, but also because it is being used to propel the most sweeping and authoritarian scheme for global economic, social, and political regimentation the world has ever seen

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11998-%E2%80%9Cclimate-science%E2%80%9D-in-shambles-real-scientists-battle-un-agenda

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14248 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Global cooling started. Reply #16 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:48am buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:26am: PZ547 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:54am: Great commentary about this on Michael Smith News today *Is there some logic - or strategy - in quoting the interpretations of SHOCK-JOCKS on matters of climate science ?* In FACT - have a look at ANY/ALL sources quoted
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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Global cooling started. Reply #17 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:49am PZ547 If no one listens to his rubbish then he has no power, seems the US political machinery is going down that path like the rest of the world. Everyone stopped listening to Rudd and look what happened.
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Reply #18 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:52am

The AGW “consensus” involves a relatively small coterie of climate scientists who have been placed in key gatekeeper positions, enabling them to co-opt the claim of “scientific consensus” on AGW, while squashing dissenting voices and branding all dissenters as “cranks,” “outliers,” or, even, “deniers.”

The use of the “denier” label is an especially odious tactic, intentionally aimed at smearing fellow scientists who dissent from AGW theory as equivalent to Holocaust deniers.

The Climategate e-mails showed top climate activists at major universities and other institutions conspiring to punish scientists with opposing viewpoints and to prevent them from being published in the scientific literature.

It also showed that they were going to great lengths to doctor their evidence
to make it “prove” their preordained outcomes. What’s more, they have refused to make their data publicly available to scientific peers for independent review — as genuine scientific procedure demands — and when pressed on the issue, have claimed that the evidence has been “lost.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11998-%E2%80%9Cclimate-science%E2%80%9D-in-shambles-real-scientists-battle-un-agenda

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Global cooling started. Reply #19 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:53am RightSadFred wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:49am: PZ547 If no one listens to his rubbish then he has no power, seems the US political machinery is going down that path like the rest of the world. Everyone stopped listening to Rudd and look what happened.
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Reply #20 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:54am

____ wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

What complete and utter junk.
The arctic sea ice extent this year is 398,000 square miles BELOW the average.
It is the sixth smallest extent on record.
The ocean temperatures have spiked in the last decade as the surface temperature rise has slowed.
These are simple, observable, measurable FACTS.
Not only are deluded articles like the above absurd, they are grossly irresponsible.
Shame on you.

One of the quotes from the opinion piece you cut and pasted ... so why no link?

http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/6040/20130911/global-cooling-arctic-ice-ca...

you kidding right? who isLeslie Graham? another nutjob like your self posting on a news story providing no facts
A picture explains a thousand words and since both pictures were taken the same month in consecutive years to say growth is below average is absurd, now that the tables have turned its time to call the Global warming alarmist, Global Cooling deniers.

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Reply #21 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:55am

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A large number of noted climatologists, paleoclimatologists, meteorologists, atmospheric physicists, geophysicists, oceanographers, geologists, and scientists in virtually every field has been challenging the claims of the UN’s IPCC and vigorously denouncing the politicization of IPCC “science” to promote costly and draconian global policies.

Some of the IPCC’s most severe critics are scientists who have served as lead authors and expert reviewers of IPCC reports and have witnessed from the inside the blatant bias and politics masquerading as science

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11998-%E2%80%9Cclimate-science%E2%80%9D-in-shambles-real-scientists-battle-un-agenda

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Reply #22 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:00am

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More than 31,000 scientists in the United States have signed a petition urging the U.S. government to reject the kinds of AGW policies proposed by the UN and environmental extremists

The petition reads, in part:

' The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind
. There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.

Hope everyone read that, i.e.,

' The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11998-%E2%80%9Cclimate-science%E2%80%9D-in-shambles-real-scientists-battle-un-agenda

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Reply #23 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:04am

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The politicization and corruption of climate science is, perhaps, most clearly evident from the continuing cavalcade of shocking scandals: Climategate, Climategate 2.0, Himalayan Glaciergate, Alaskan Glaciergate, Amazongate, Sea Levelgate, Fakegate, Satellitegate, Antarctic Sea Icegate, Hockey Stickgate, Hurricanegate, Surface Weather Stationgate, Russiagate, etc.

The Germany-based engineer P. Gosselin has catalogued 129 climate scandals at his website, NoTrickZone.com.

Fortunately, each of these transgressions against the integrity of science has caused new circles of scientists to become aware of, and outraged by, the chicanery being employed by the political operatives masquerading as scientists. And the genuine scientists are stepping into the gap in increasing numbers to fight for truth and to expose the climate-change flim-flam artists who are perverting science.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11998-%E2%80%9Cclimate-science%E2%80%9D-in-shambles-real-scientists-battle-un-agenda

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Reply #24 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:06am

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More than 1,000 internationally renowned scientists have gone further; they have not merely signed a petition, but have made public statements challenging key claims of the AGW alarmists.

Published in 2010, in a report by Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com, this important collection of statements is an update of a similar report of 700 scientists’ statements published by Senator James Inhofe of the U.S. Senate Environment & Public Works Committee.

The 1,000+ lineup of scientists reads like a Who’s Who of the global scientific community

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11998-%E2%80%9Cclimate-science%E2%80%9D-in-shambles-real-scientists-battle-un-agenda

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Reply #25 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:12am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

http://cdn.isciencetimes.com/data/images/full/2013/09/11/4999-global-cooling.jpg
NASA satellite images show August 2012 [left] and August 2013 [right]. (Photo: NASA)

Are we experiencing global cooling?

No. You're showing two photographs of a small part of the world and attempting to assert that it is representative of the whole. It's not. That is cherry picking and is a fallacious line of argument.

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A cool Arctic summer allowed nearly a million more squre miles of ice to form over the same time last year. This figure represents a growth of 60 percent.

Extrapolating a trend from two data points is not reliable. If you had a clue you would know this.

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The incredible arctic ice growth after the record low of 2012 is significant.

No. It' not. It's just a pair of cherry picked data points. One cool winter in a part of the world does not prove a cooling trend for the whole world.

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Just six years ago, a science article from the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free by the summer of 2013.

Predictions are not always accurate. Your point?

I've seen plenty of predictions from deniers that were also inaccurate.

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The indication of global cooling indicates the opposite. According to monitors, the Arctic now features an unbroken ice sheet that is larger than half of Europe. The sheet stretches from the Canadian islands all the way to Russia's northern shores. What's more, the Arctic's Northwest Passage has been blocked by ice all year. More than 20 yachts that attempted to sail the passage were left ice bound. A cruise ship was also forced to turn back around.

Again, so what? It's just a data point. A general trend does not rule out the possibility of significant fluctuations around the mean. You have no idea about statistics.

Melbourne has just had it's warmest July on record. That is not particularly significant if taken in isolation. Yet we seem to have a large number of such warmest-on-record reports from all over the world and a relative lack of coolest-on-record reports. The overall aggregate of all the data also points to persistent warmer conditions than the long-term averages.

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Reply #26 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:21am

IPCC Researchers
Admit Global Warming Fraud

Global warming alarmists are scrambling to save face after hackers stole hundreds of incriminating e-mails from a British university and published them on the Internet --- revealing correspondence between British and American researchers engaged in fraudulent reporting of data to favor their own climate change agenda.

Now that AGW is revealed as a farce, will big-spending politicians in the U.S. Senate halt efforts to impose a cap-and-trade system to ostensibly combat greenhouse gases and global warming? Of course not.
Cap and trade is about raising taxes and increasing government control over our entire economy
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6748-ipcc-researchers-admit-global-warming-fraud

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Reply #27 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:23am

PZ547 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

But seriously, everyone's aware the planet has been entering a natural cooling phase for years now

Rubbish.

"Everyone's aware" - Who is this "everyone"?

"natural cooling phase" - Really? This is a lie. Why has the last ten years been the warmest ten years on record globally? Take the last ten completed years, 2003-2012, and find any other period of ten consecutive years that were warmer, going back to 1880 when reliable weather records first became available. You won't find any. Why?

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Reply #28 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:26am

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When stripped down to the bare truth, the actual number of studies in the Cook sampling that can be said to endorse the position that human activity is responsible for most of the experienced global warming is — get ready for this (drum roll …) — sixty-five.

Yes, 65, or around half a percent, not 97 percent!

And this miniscule number of strong endorsers is actually less than the number of skeptical scientific papers included in the Cook study.

Grin

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/15457-global-warming-consensus-cooking-the-books/15457-global-warming-consensus-cooking-the-books

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Reply #29 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:29am

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 9:23am:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

But seriously, everyone's aware the planet has been entering a natural cooling phase for years now

Rubbish.

"Everyone knows" - Who is this "everyone"?

"natural cooling phase" - Really? This is a lie. Why has the last ten years been the warmest ten years on record globally? Take the last ten completed years, 2003-2012, and find any other period of ten consecutive years that were warmer, going back to 1880 when reliable weather records first became available. You won't find any. Why?

One of two things is at fault here, Bam

Either it's your dismal lack of education and/or abysmal ignorance

Or

It's your complete inability to comprehend

The information is being presented to you here in this thread

Would pay you to read and to try to absorb some of it

That way, you won't embarrass yourself as greatly in the future

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