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Reply #90 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

they choose to state that it doesn't mean that warming has stopped - only paused. .

Judging how much the earth is warming solely by looking at the surface temperatures betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how the earth's energy balance works. Fact: the vast majority of earth's heat is absorbed by the oceans. Fact: the absorption rate of earth's energy by the oceans can be completely independent to trends in the surface temperatures.

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that however is an opinion only nd not one supported by any facts

Rubbish. The sources are cited right there in the article. How can you sit there with a straight face and claim there is no evidence? Is peer reviewed scientific data not considered evidence? Do you have any evidence that refutes Church et al's (2011) data on ocean heating? Or any of the other cited evidence? You people are unbelievable.

Here, educate yourself on why surface temps can decline short term while the overall heat content of the earth rises:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling-intermediate.htm

Surface heating means bugger all to earth's overall heat content compared to ocean heating:

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Reply #91 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 5:07pm

Sorry champ but empirical data shows otherwise to what that global warming extremist blog skeptical science says.

John Cook can't even produce a paper on the consensus without fudging the figures, how on earth can you believe the sh!t he writes.....he has ties to Al Gore.

Now back to that empirical data its called the ARGO and consists of 3000 buoys all over the worlds oceans.

They dive down to 2000 metres and every two weeks they surface to relay the data which includes temperature.

Guess what..........???????

Oceans aren't warming or they would have detected it....!!

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Reply #92 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

Ajax, how about you produce some of that "empirical evidence" you speak of? Starting with the claim that Cook "fudged" the figures. And while you're at it, you can have a go at discrediting other peer reviewed papers that support Cook - like Levitus et al (2012) and Nucitelli et al (2012). Shouldn't be hard - after all, as you say the "empirical data shows otherwise" right? Tongue

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Reply #93 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

Ocean warming has been observed, and its been particularly pronounced in the deep oceans - at depths lower than 700m

This must be some of the "empirical evidence" Ajax is referring to:

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[1] The elusive nature of the post-2004 upper ocean warming has exposed uncertainties in the ocean's role in the Earth's energy budget and transient climate sensitivity. Here we present the time evolution of the global ocean heat content for 1958 through 2009 from a new observation-based reanalysis of the ocean. Volcanic eruptions and El Niño events are identified as sharp cooling events punctuating a long-term ocean warming trend, while heating continues during the recent upper-ocean-warming hiatus, but the heat is absorbed in the deeper ocean. In the last decade, about 30% of the warming has occurred below 700 m, contributing significantly to an acceleration of the warming trend. The warming below 700 m remains even when the Argo observing system is withdrawn although the trends are reduced. Sensitivity experiments illustrate that surface wind variability is largely responsible for the changing ocean heat vertical distribution.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/full

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Reply #94 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

This thread is a perfect example of that where a major increase in Arctic ice has been dismissed uncritically and seemingly without a moments thought. it is in fact a major kick in the pants to the ACC hypothesis because it is a 180degree turn from the ACC expected outcome

Nonsense Longy. You are looking at one year in isolation. Nobody is saying that temperature rise will be inexorably constant from year to year, because superimposed on that rise, there are the effects of natural variation.

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Reply #95 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:10pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Sorry champ but empirical data shows otherwise to what that global warming extremist blog skeptical science says.

John Cook can't even produce a paper on the consensus without fudging the figures, how on earth can you believe the sh!t he writes.....he has ties to Al Gore.

Now back to that empirical data its called the ARGO and consists of 3000 buoys all over the worlds oceans.

They dive down to 2000 metres and every two weeks they surface to relay the data which includes temperature.

Guess what..........???????

Oceans aren't warming or they would have detected it....!!

You're not still going on about Dave "Cant find the 0-700 metre bit" Evans?

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Reply #96 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 12:21am

muso wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

This thread is a perfect example of that where a major increase in Arctic ice has been dismissed uncritically and seemingly without a moments thought. it is in fact a major kick in the pants to the ACC hypothesis because it is a 180degree turn from the ACC expected outcome

Nonsense Longy. You are looking at one year in isolation. Nobody is saying that temperature rise will be inexorably constant from year to year, because superimposed on that rise, there are the effects of natural variation.

not really one year at all. every year. every friggin year we hear that the artic will melt and it never does. every year. don't you ever get sick and tired of every single stupid discredited prediction failing??? and now the arctic is getting bigger. the real evidence is listening to the True believers either saying it isn't happening or it doesn't matter or it is just local or its tony abbotts fault or whatever crap excuse they have this time.

perhaps you'd like to celebrate an accurate climate change prediction.... but it would be the first.

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Reply #97 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 12:23am

muso wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Sorry champ but empirical data shows otherwise to what that global warming extremist blog skeptical science says.

John Cook can't even produce a paper on the consensus without fudging the figures, how on earth can you believe the sh!t he writes.....he has ties to Al Gore.

Now back to that empirical data its called the ARGO and consists of 3000 buoys all over the worlds oceans.

They dive down to 2000 metres and every two weeks they surface to relay the data which includes temperature.

Guess what..........???????

Oceans aren't warming or they would have detected it....!!

You're not still going on about Dave "Cant find the 0-700 metre bit" Evans?

I find this 'deep ocean warming' argument to be awfully convenient. Surface temperatures rent rising for 17 years so of course... it has to be somewhere so lets make up an area that is impossible to verify like deep oceans. its like the coral atolls being covered by rising seas (which is actually coral attols sinking) or the Australian floods to account for the entire globes sea level dropping...

you lot would believe ANYTHING. nothing is too stupid or too incredible if it supports ACC

you lot sure are gullible.

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Reply #98 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 7:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 12:21am:

not really one year at all. every year. every friggin year we hear that the artic will melt and it never does.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. There is seasonal melting. If you're talking about all the sea ice melting, that's not likely to happen for quite a few years. There is an incredible amount of natural variation, but the overall trend shows that the Arctic ice extent has fallen dramatically since the 80s. 2013 is well below the average for the 2000's. Look at the decadal trends. What does that tell you?

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every year. don't you ever get sick and tired of every single stupid discredited prediction failing???

What prediction is that? Be specific. Can you give me a link? I'm pretty sure that no reputable climatologist would predict arctic ice extent one year in advance.

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perhaps you'd like to celebrate an accurate climate change prediction.... but it would be the first.

Perhaps you'd like to show me what the prediction was, by whom and when?

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Reply #99 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:13am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 10:04am:

I think that the North pole getting more ice is a product
of the stopping of the Gulf Stream owing to global warming.

It is possible. Is there enough data yet to support or refute this?

I'm not sure but you could have a lot of fun googling it.

you read about the gulf stream once and being a generally simple person, every climate question must somehow involve it. for your information there is NO QUESTION of there being any notable non-cyclical change in the gulf stream.

Hi Longy,
thanks for letting me know that.
It's just that I've seen it mentioned in many docos on TV.
Would you have a link to prove that the Gulf stream is unchanged?

Would you agree that if the Gulf stream stopped - Europe would be plunged into a mini ice age?

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Reply #100 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 3:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Ajax, how about you produce some of that "empirical evidence" you speak of? Starting with the claim that Cook "fudged" the figures. And while you're at it, you can have a go at discrediting other peer reviewed papers that support Cook - like Levitus et al (2012) and Nucitelli et al (2012). Shouldn't be hard - after all, as you say the "empirical data shows otherwise" right? Tongue

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Hey gandolf

Why don't you apply the same scepticism to the bullsh!t data coming out of the back side of the IPCC in the form of computer circulation models.

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/05/ocean-temperatures-is-that-warming-statisticall...

Seriously dude do you actually want a dud tax that will not that's will not curb manmade CO2 since the $2 trillion carbon credit derivatives market will be based on manmade CO2.

Do you honestly think once this market is up and running by the bankers they will actually TRY reducing man made CO2.

If you believe that.....you would believe anything.

What about the UN trying to distribute wealth from the industrialized nations to the third world...FFS.

Get a grip of yourself and come to reality FFS.

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/05/ocean-temperatures-is-that-warming-statisticall...

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Reply #101 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 5:01pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

Get a grip of yourself and come to reality FFS.

I reject your "reality". Here is the graph (attached) with the "missing" data that Dave Evans can't find. It turns out that the models were pretty close after all. There's Dave's missing energy.

I told you all this before, but I couldn't be bothered making a graph. I see that somebody else has done it for me.

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Argo Update – David Evans needs new Specs

http://itsnotnova.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/argo-update-david-evans-needs-new-spe...
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Why don't you apply the same scepticism to the bullsh!t data coming out of the back side of the IPCC in the form of computer circulation models.

What's a computer circulation model? Is that where denialists circulate and recycle faked graphs?

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Reply #102 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 5:22pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

Hey gandolf... blah blah blah

Hey Ajox, I was looking forward to that empirical data you told me about to demonstrate how Cook "fudged" his figures on ocean temperatures like you claimed. I'm really surprised you didn't mention that - cause you know, saying a researcher falsified their data without any evidence is basically defamatory - and he could rightfully sue your arse if he wanted.

Apart from that, nothing at all on refuting the research I mentioned that indicates ocean heating - even though you promised me its all false. Still, no doubt its only the climate scientists that make stuff up and falsify data right? You lot would never do that I'm sure. Tongue

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Reply #103 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

muso wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

I reject your "reality". Here is the graph (attached) with the "missing" data that Dave Evans can't find. It turns out that the models were pretty close after all. There's Dave's missing energy.

I told you all this before, but I couldn't be bothered making a graph. I see that somebody else has done it for me.

Argo Update – David Evans needs new Specs

What's a computer circulation model? Is that where denialists circulate and recycle faked graphs?

You really are a sad individual aren't you.

Every time the rock gets pulled and exposes your fake science you quickly crawl under some other rock professing something new.

Dude empirical data doesn't lie and as long as you try to make out as though empirical data is this or that, you will also hang yourself.

Stop putting your faith in computer circulation models, cause you'll always be kicked in the head when using such poor science.

You know that old saying....sh!t in sh!t out.....!!!!!!!!

Now look at Jimmy's predictions compared to the argo data...????

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Reply #104 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 12:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

Hey gandolf... blah blah blah

Hey Ajox, I was looking forward to that empirical data you told me about to demonstrate how Cook "fudged" his figures on ocean temperatures like you claimed. I'm really surprised you didn't mention that - cause you know, saying a researcher falsified their data without any evidence is basically defamatory - and he could rightfully sue your arse if he wanted.

Apart from that, nothing at all on refuting the research I mentioned that indicates ocean heating - even though you promised me its all false. Still, no doubt its only the climate scientists that make stuff up and falsify data right? You lot would never do that I'm sure. Tongue

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Dude i'm not going to repeat myself, your alarmist mates deleted - chopped and changed my original thread on that fraudster John Cook and his Skeptical science blog.

You want to pick up the argument start here,

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377835124

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