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Reply #90 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:08pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:52pm:

stryder wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:47pm:

if the left through labor wanna continue to p*** the majority of australians by creating obstacles of ridding the carbon tax, go ahead. i expect more of a backlash against labor.

how much more backlash do you think they need to fear? they already lost the election because of it (according to Abbott)... do people still vote against the libs because they introduced the GST?

you seem to forget that people don't mind the GST and never did. They hate the carbon tax however and always have.

what a load of bullshit ..... people were against the GST from day dot . Over 50% of voters voted against it, it was still an issue at the following election which was why Howard tried to avoid mentioning it. Howard was set to lose the following election until Tampa and the children overboard saw the vote split.

You keep burying your head in the sand if you like. The only mandate Abbott has is when he takes pyne out to dinner ... everything else he can shove up his ar$e.

and that idiotic response is why nobody takes your responses seriously.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The State of Denial Reply #91 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm I agree with John actually. This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax. It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.
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Reply #92 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:37pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

I agree with John actually.

This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax.

It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.

as a non-resident aussie-by-name-only, what would you know? You don't live here and your interest in the place is professional at best. The carbon tax destroyed Gillards leadership and finally the govt as well. yes there were other things - a host of other things, but it was also a comprehensive rejection of the carbon tax

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Reply #93 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:46pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

I agree with John actually.

This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax.

It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.

Andrei.Hicks

I don't think you can separate the two, it became a cost of living issue so politically the tax needs to go.
The fact the ALP lied about it has also destroyed the idea for many people

The only hope for the tax in my view is if the LNP change their mind, they did have a policy for such in the past, but given Abbott's stance he has to try to remove it, and obviously senate obstruction is the only hope right now.

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Reply #94 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:52pm:

stryder wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 11:47pm:

if the left through labor wanna continue to p*** the majority of australians by creating obstacles of ridding the carbon tax, go ahead. i expect more of a backlash against labor.

how much more backlash do you think they need to fear? they already lost the election because of it (according to Abbott)... do people still vote against the libs because they introduced the GST?

you seem to forget that people don't mind the GST and never did. They hate the carbon tax however and always have.

what a load of bullshit ..... people were against the GST from day dot . Over 50% of voters voted against it, it was still an issue at the following election which was why Howard tried to avoid mentioning it. Howard was set to lose the following election until Tampa and the children overboard saw the vote split.

You keep burying your head in the sand if you like. The only mandate Abbott has is when he takes pyne out to dinner ... everything else he can shove up his ar$e.

and that idiotic response is why nobody takes your responses seriously.

everyone who has been on this forum for longer than 5 minutes knows that unless they agree with you, you consider all responses as idiotic ... that is why no one, other than you, takes YOUR responses seriously. Cheesy

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Reply #95 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:14pm

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

I agree with John actually.

This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax.

It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.

Andrei.Hicks

I don't think you can separate the two, it became a cost of living issue so politically the tax needs to go.
The fact the ALP lied about it has also destroyed the idea for many people

The only hope for the tax in my view is if the LNP change their mind, they did have a policy for such in the past, but given Abbott's stance he has to try to remove it, and obviously senate obstruction is the only hope right now.

if you can't separate them how can you claim they were voted out because of the carbon tax ?

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: The State of Denial Reply #96 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:18pm A referendum will kiss carbon tax goodnight forever
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77398 Gender:	Re: The State of Denial Reply #97 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:20pm PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:18pm: A referendum will kiss carbon tax goodnight forever good, then ask Abbott to hold one before he takes any action.
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Reply #98 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

as a non-resident aussie-by-name-only, what would you know? You don't live here and your interest in the place is professional at best.

Plays no role in my ability to understand and appreciate an issue though.

The carbon tax was not a major factor in the way the majority voted this time - hence why I refuse to see how it was rejected.

Many people would have not voted Labor or Greens and still believed in a different policy - Malcolm Turnbull is not a bad example on that one.

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Reply #99 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

as a non-resident aussie-by-name-only, what would you know? You don't live here and your interest in the place is professional at best.

Plays no role in my ability to understand and appreciate an issue though.

The carbon tax was not a major factor in the way the majority voted this time - hence why I refuse to see how it was rejected.

Many people would have not voted Labor or Greens and still believed in a different policy - Malcolm Turnbull is not a bad example on that one.

I thought you were due in Paris on Sunday night ?

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Reply #100 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

A referendum will kiss carbon tax goodnight forever

If you hold a referendum for every piece of legislation, we'd be off to the polls every month.

Referenda occur seldom and with a very significant change in policy or the way you are governed.

Australia on the monarchy and in Britain we had it all proportional voting.

Carbon tax?? Nonsense. It doesnt need one.

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Reply #101 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

as a non-resident aussie-by-name-only, what would you know? You don't live here and your interest in the place is professional at best.

Plays no role in my ability to understand and appreciate an issue though.

The carbon tax was not a major factor in the way the majority voted this time - hence why I refuse to see how it was rejected.

Many people would have not voted Labor or Greens and still believed in a different policy - Malcolm Turnbull is not a bad example on that one.

I thought you were due in Paris on Sunday night ?

First I have heard of it.

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Reply #102 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

Yep

and for years, I've been suggesting we DO hold referendums on continuous basis

Everyone is provided with a card similar to a credit card

Alongside every ATM would be a referendum machine

Before government can pass legislation, the matter will be put to the people who will vote using their referendum-card

Across the top of referendum machines will be scrolling latest legislation up for vote

One vote per card per person

Bring it

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Reply #103 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:36pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

I agree with John actually.

This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax.

It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.

Andrei.Hicks

I don't think you can separate the two, it became a cost of living issue so politically the tax needs to go.
The fact the ALP lied about it has also destroyed the idea for many people

The only hope for the tax in my view is if the LNP change their mind, they did have a policy for such in the past, but given Abbott's stance he has to try to remove it, and obviously senate obstruction is the only hope right now.

if you can't separate them how can you claim they were voted out because of the carbon tax ?

John Smith

So when did you make such a statement ? You should run off and correct yourself.

The CT and the handling of such both did damage if you want to go down that dumb path.

It was a double whamy, Rudd was right at the time the public mood had shifted on such when he did not implementit.

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Reply #104 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Yep

and for years, I've been suggesting we DO hold referendums on continuous basis

Everyone is provided with a card similar to a credit card

Alongside every ATM would be a referendum machine

Before government can pass legislation, the matter will be put to the people who will vote using their referendum-card

Across the top of referendum machines will be scrolling latest legislation up for vote

One vote per card per person

Bring it

Do you think we should have little lunch as well?

Really, with such a system would our economy be globalized?

And if our economy was not Globalized would we have been able to take advantage of China's boom?

Where would our economy be now with massive tariffs on imported goods & retaliatory tariffs on our exports?

You wouldn't be watching a flat screen TV unless your name was Packer, that's for sure.

People are inherently selfish, not so long ago Governments made decisions that had short term pain for long term gain, usually within the 1st year of election so the plebs would have forgotten by the next election.

We need if anything to reinstate 4 year terms.

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