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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #105 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:47pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Yep

and for years, I've been suggesting we DO hold referendums on continuous basis

Everyone is provided with a card similar to a credit card

Alongside every ATM would be a referendum machine

Before government can pass legislation, the matter will be put to the people who will vote using their referendum-card

Across the top of referendum machines will be scrolling latest legislation up for vote

One vote per card per person

Bring it

Do you think we should have little lunch as well?

Really, with such a system would our economy be globalized?

And if our economy was not Globalized would we have been able to take advantage of China's boom?

Where would our economy be now with massive tariffs on imported goods & retaliatory tariffs on our exports?

You wouldn't be watching a flat screen TV unless your name was Packer, that's for sure.

People are inherently selfish, not so long ago Governments made decisions that had short term pain for long term gain, usually within the 1st year of election so the plebs would have forgotten by the next election.

We need if anything to reinstate 4 year terms.

First off (and as you might have realised once you reread you own post) my suggestion is the polar opposite of the nanny-state

It would also render government superfluous to large extent. Administrators would replace them at a hundredth the cost and pain

I DO want a return to tariffs on all imported products

I want a return to self-sufficiency

A return to Aussie made - Aussie manufacturing and resultant increase in employment

I don't give a rat's about flat screens. You might. I don't. And Aussies would shed a lot of flab for which flat screens are responsible

As for China --- this country's been living on people's enforced superannuation for who knows how long and China needs us a DAMN sight more than we need it

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #106 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:02pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Yep

and for years, I've been suggesting we DO hold referendums on continuous basis

Everyone is provided with a card similar to a credit card

Alongside every ATM would be a referendum machine

Before government can pass legislation, the matter will be put to the people who will vote using their referendum-card

Across the top of referendum machines will be scrolling latest legislation up for vote

One vote per card per person

Bring it

sounds like it could be a very profitable commodity ... I wonder what the libs would pay for my card!!!!!

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #107 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:03pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Yep

and for years, I've been suggesting we DO hold referendums on continuous basis

Everyone is provided with a card similar to a credit card

Alongside every ATM would be a referendum machine

Before government can pass legislation, the matter will be put to the people who will vote using their referendum-card

Across the top of referendum machines will be scrolling latest legislation up for vote

One vote per card per person

Bring it

sounds like it could be a very profitable commodity ... I wonder what the libs would pay for my card!!!!!

YOU would pay a heavy fine were it to be misused, sold, defaced or lost

but how typical of you to immediately try to find a way to corrupt a system, ANY system

no wonder you support Labor

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #108 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:03pm

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

I agree with John actually.

This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax.

It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.

Andrei.Hicks

I don't think you can separate the two, it became a cost of living issue so politically the tax needs to go.
The fact the ALP lied about it has also destroyed the idea for many people

The only hope for the tax in my view is if the LNP change their mind, they did have a policy for such in the past, but given Abbott's stance he has to try to remove it, and obviously senate obstruction is the only hope right now.

if you can't separate them how can you claim they were voted out because of the carbon tax ?

John Smith

So when did you make such a statement ? You should run off and correct yourself.

The CT and the handling of such both did damage if you want to go down that dumb path.

It was a double whamy, Rudd was right at the time the public mood had shifted on such when he did not implementit.

you haven't even read the OP have you? Grin

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #109 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Yep

and for years, I've been suggesting we DO hold referendums on continuous basis

Everyone is provided with a card similar to a credit card

Alongside every ATM would be a referendum machine

Before government can pass legislation, the matter will be put to the people who will vote using their referendum-card

Across the top of referendum machines will be scrolling latest legislation up for vote

One vote per card per person

Bring it

sounds like it could be a very profitable commodity ... I wonder what the libs would pay for my card!!!!!

YOU would pay a heavy fine were it to be misused, sold, defaced or lost

but how typical of you to immediately try to find a way to corrupt a system, ANY system

no wonder you support Labor

'
that took 20 seconds ... you find a solution and someone will find a way around it. If you fine me I'll just have to make sure I sell it for more than the value of the fine ... what are you going to do come and check my wallet every week to see if I still have my card?

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #110 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

I agree with John actually.

This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax.

It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.

Andrei.Hicks

I don't think you can separate the two, it became a cost of living issue so politically the tax needs to go.
The fact the ALP lied about it has also destroyed the idea for many people

The only hope for the tax in my view is if the LNP change their mind, they did have a policy for such in the past, but given Abbott's stance he has to try to remove it, and obviously senate obstruction is the only hope right now.

if you can't separate them how can you claim they were voted out because of the carbon tax ?

John Smith

So when did you make such a statement ? You should run off and correct yourself.

The CT and the handling of such both did damage if you want to go down that dumb path.

It was a double whamy, Rudd was right at the time the public mood had shifted on such when he did not implementit.

you haven't even read the OP have you? Grin

You're the one quoting me

and responding to me

What does that make you Grin

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #111 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:09pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

as a non-resident aussie-by-name-only, what would you know? You don't live here and your interest in the place is professional at best.

Plays no role in my ability to understand and appreciate an issue though.

The carbon tax was not a major factor in the way the majority voted this time - hence why I refuse to see how it was rejected.

Many people would have not voted Labor or Greens and still believed in a different policy - Malcolm Turnbull is not a bad example on that one.

I thought you were due in Paris on Sunday night ?

It's friday and London.

Are you coming to wish me well?

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #112 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:11pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

I agree with John actually.

This wasn't a rejection of the carbon tax.

It was a rejection of a Government so divided down the middle, the people got sick of it and turfed them out.

Andrei.Hicks

I don't think you can separate the two, it became a cost of living issue so politically the tax needs to go.
The fact the ALP lied about it has also destroyed the idea for many people

The only hope for the tax in my view is if the LNP change their mind, they did have a policy for such in the past, but given Abbott's stance he has to try to remove it, and obviously senate obstruction is the only hope right now.

if you can't separate them how can you claim they were voted out because of the carbon tax ?

John Smith

So when did you make such a statement ? You should run off and correct yourself.

The CT and the handling of such both did damage if you want to go down that dumb path.

It was a double whamy, Rudd was right at the time the public mood had shifted on such when he did not implementit.

you haven't even read the OP have you? Grin

You're the one quoting me

and responding to me

What does that make you Grin

actually dopey, you jumped in on a conversation between longy and myself and Andrei.

Besides, I've read the OP ... I can respond to you because I know what the bugger I'm talking about ... only an idiot comments without even knowing the subject matter.

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #113 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:13pm

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

First off (and as you might have realised once you reread you own post) my suggestion is the polar opposite of the nanny-state

It would also render government superfluous to large extent. Administrators would replace them at a hundredth the cost and pain

I DO want a return to tariffs on all imported products

I want a return to self-sufficiency

A return to Aussie made - Aussie manufacturing and resultant increase in employment

I don't give a rat's about flat screens. You might. I don't. And Aussies would shed a lot of flab for which flat screens are responsible

As for China --- this country's been living on people's enforced superannuation for who knows how long and China needs us a DAMN sight more than we need it

1) It wasn't a suggestion of nanny state, it was a suggestion of childishness

2) So somehow the Administrators would demand/be happy with less?

Ever heard a saying about power & corruption??

3) I support FAIR trade, what you want is a pipe dream, an artificial Nirvana that has NEVER existed

4) But you'll buy the $3.50 can opener from china instead of the $10.50 Aussie one, or do you expect some of your countrymen to work for $3 a week.
You cannot maintain our current standard of living & have cheap products, whats your choice?

5) It was an example of an everyday item which would be unaffordable in your world

6) You are a fool

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The State of Denial Reply #114 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:15pm A country of 20 million people which is not part of any of the three major trading blocs, imposing import tariffs on products is literally suicide,.
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Reply #115 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:44pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

A referendum will kiss carbon tax goodnight forever

good, then ask Abbott to hold one before he takes any action.

why? do you think the Greens or Labor would take the slightest notice of the result? they have lost an election by a landslide and still refuse to repeal it.

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Reply #116 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:46pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

as a non-resident aussie-by-name-only, what would you know? You don't live here and your interest in the place is professional at best.

Plays no role in my ability to understand and appreciate an issue though.

The carbon tax was not a major factor in the way the majority voted this time - hence why I refuse to see how it was rejected.

Many people would have not voted Labor or Greens and still believed in a different policy - Malcolm Turnbull is not a bad example on that one.

what makes you so sure? the few days you spent in OZ? it is not only possibly but distinctly probable that residents would know better than blow-ins. aren't you the self-same person that says everyone else's opinion on USA and UK society and politics is invalid because we don't live there?

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Re: The State of Denial
Reply #117 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

A referendum will kiss carbon tax goodnight forever

good, then ask Abbott to hold one before he takes any action.

why? do you think the Greens or Labor would take the slightest notice of the result? they have lost an election by a landslide and still refuse to repeal it.

of course they will dopey .... have they ever refused to uphold the result of a referendum?

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Reply #118 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:48pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

PZ547 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Yep

and for years, I've been suggesting we DO hold referendums on continuous basis

Everyone is provided with a card similar to a credit card

Alongside every ATM would be a referendum machine

Before government can pass legislation, the matter will be put to the people who will vote using their referendum-card

Across the top of referendum machines will be scrolling latest legislation up for vote

One vote per card per person

Bring it

Do you think we should have little lunch as well?

Really, with such a system would our economy be globalized?

And if our economy was not Globalized would we have been able to take advantage of China's boom?

Where would our economy be now with massive tariffs on imported goods & retaliatory tariffs on our exports?

You wouldn't be watching a flat screen TV unless your name was Packer, that's for sure.

People are inherently selfish, not so long ago Governments made decisions that had short term pain for long term gain, usually within the 1st year of election so the plebs would have forgotten by the next election.

We need if anything to reinstate 4 year terms.

agreed other than the pedantic detail that federally we have NEVER had 4 years terms.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77247 Gender:	Re: The State of Denial Reply #119 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:48pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:46pm: the few days you spent in OZ? it is not only possibly but distinctly probable that residents would know better than blow-ins it is a sad reflection on you that this blow in has a better grip on the current political climate in Australia than you do .
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