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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #240 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:14am

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

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How much will fiber to the home now cost?

If the node is right outside your house, has a spare fibre port available and it's possible to route the fibre alongside the existing copper then about $300-$500 terminated at a single wall plate - not including the NTU, fly/patch leads etc.

If it's not possible to run it alongside the copper (space, sharp turns etc) and it needs to come to the premises via a different route then triple or quadruple that cost.

Thanks & how much per month to rent say 100 MBit/sec?

Do you have a link?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #241 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am

;Kat wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

The NBN is such a vital piece of infrastructure for the future of the country, that any attempt
to interfere with it, cut it back, or do away with it, should be regarded as an act of treason.

Vital??...in order to prove it is 'vital' we need to analyse the cost/benefit relationship. So back to the start.

Vital does not cover being able to download porn and movies quicker in every household across suburbia, or run some big screen tv so fat toads can get fatter.

Vital is perfectly arguable in commercial centres, business hubs etc, not in teenagers bedrooms at the cost of the tax payer.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #242 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:37am

Rider wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

;Kat wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

The NBN is such a vital piece of infrastructure for the future of the country, that any attempt
to interfere with it, cut it back, or do away with it, should be regarded as an act of treason.

Vital??...in order to prove it is 'vital' we need to analyse the cost/benefit relationship. So back to the start.

Vital does not cover being able to download porn and movies quicker in every household across suburbia, or run some big screen tv so fat toads can get fatter.

Vital is perfectly arguable in commercial centres, business hubs etc, not in teenagers bedrooms at the cost of the tax payer.

Dear Rider,
don't lower the standards of this thread by mentioning dirty porn.

What about cloud storage instead of using servers?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #243 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:03am

Rider wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

;Kat wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

The NBN is such a vital piece of infrastructure for the future of the country, that any attempt
to interfere with it, cut it back, or do away with it, should be regarded as an act of treason.

Vital??...in order to prove it is 'vital' we need to analyse the cost/benefit relationship.

No, we do not. It is self-evident, as was the Snowy Scheme.

So back to the start.

Vital does not cover being able to download porn and movies quicker

No-one has claimed that it does.

in every household across suburbia, or run some big screen tv

Well, yes. It does. Or would you rather pay Murdoch in order to watch anything decent?

so fat toads can get fatter.

That will happen regardless.

Vital is perfectly arguable in commercial centres, business hubs etc, not in teenagers bedrooms at the cost of the tax payer.

I am not a teenager, and I'm perfectly happy for my taxes to go towards the NBN. Far better that, than more wealthfare for the parasitic middle-class.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #244 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:26am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

Rider wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

;Kat wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

The NBN is such a vital piece of infrastructure for the future of the country, that any attempt
to interfere with it, cut it back, or do away with it, should be regarded as an act of treason.

Vital??...in order to prove it is 'vital' we need to analyse the cost/benefit relationship. So back to the start.

Vital does not cover being able to download porn and movies quicker in every household across suburbia, or run some big screen tv so fat toads can get fatter.

Vital is perfectly arguable in commercial centres, business hubs etc, not in teenagers bedrooms at the cost of the tax payer.

Dear Rider,
don't lower the standards of this thread by mentioning dirty porn.

What about cloud storage instead of using servers?

...impossible

do 'folks' have servers in their houses now days? I mean real people, not the IT slaves too small to get a real office.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #245 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:39am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

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How much will fiber to the home now cost?

If the node is right outside your house, has a spare fibre port available and it's possible to route the fibre alongside the existing copper then about $300-$500 terminated at a single wall plate - not including the NTU, fly/patch leads etc.

If it's not possible to run it alongside the copper (space, sharp turns etc) and it needs to come to the premises via a different route then triple or quadruple that cost.

Thanks & how much per month to rent say 100 MBit/sec?

Do you have a link?

No idea. It shouldn't be too hard to google for current 100mbs plans with the NBN.
The only kicker is that the NBN was supposed to be unlimited downloads - but the ISPs have them on NBN services simply because we accept them here.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #246 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:42am

Kat wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

Rider wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

;Kat wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

The NBN is such a vital piece of infrastructure for the future of the country, that any attempt
to interfere with it, cut it back, or do away with it, should be regarded as an act of treason.

Vital??...in order to prove it is 'vital' we need to analyse the cost/benefit relationship.

No, we do not. It is self-evident, as was the Snowy Scheme.

So back to the start.

Vital does not cover being able to download porn and movies quicker

No-one has claimed that it does.

in every household across suburbia, or run some big screen tv

Well, yes. It does. Or would you rather pay Murdoch in order to watch anything decent?

so fat toads can get fatter.

That will happen regardless.

Vital is perfectly arguable in commercial centres, business hubs etc, not in teenagers bedrooms at the cost of the tax payer.

I am not a teenager, and I'm perfectly happy for my taxes to go towards the NBN. Far better that, than more wealthfare for the parasitic middle-class.

No it is not self evident. Let alone transparent nor accountable.
You act like a teenager.
Middle class pay more tax than you and yes, resultant of the stupidity of uncosted schemes like this nation cannot afford 'wealthfare' - I'm happy to see it go as it is an extremely top heavy way to give back dollars that should have been left in our pockets in the first place.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #247 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:52pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

Quote:

How much will fiber to the home now cost?

If the node is right outside your house, has a spare fibre port available and it's possible to route the fibre alongside the existing copper then about $300-$500 terminated at a single wall plate - not including the NTU, fly/patch leads etc.

If it's not possible to run it alongside the copper (space, sharp turns etc) and it needs to come to the premises via a different route then triple or quadruple that cost.

Thanks & how much per month to rent say 100 MBit/sec?

Do you have a link?

No idea. It shouldn't be too hard to google for current 100mbs plans with the NBN.
The only kicker is that the NBN was supposed to be unlimited downloads - but the ISPs have them on NBN services simply because we accept them here.

Here is a link:

http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/terms_and_co...

Doesn't tell me if I can get fiber to my home.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #248 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

Quote:

How much will fiber to the home now cost?

If the node is right outside your house, has a spare fibre port available and it's possible to route the fibre alongside the existing copper then about $300-$500 terminated at a single wall plate - not including the NTU, fly/patch leads etc.

If it's not possible to run it alongside the copper (space, sharp turns etc) and it needs to come to the premises via a different route then triple or quadruple that cost.

Thanks & how much per month to rent say 100 MBit/sec?

Do you have a link?

No idea. It shouldn't be too hard to google for current 100mbs plans with the NBN.
The only kicker is that the NBN was supposed to be unlimited downloads - but the ISPs have them on NBN services simply because we accept them here.

Here is a link:

http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/terms_and_co...

Doesn't tell me if I can get fiber to my home.

That is for people already connected with fibre via the NBN.
If you're not already connected via fibre then it's extremely unlikely you can be at present without going to great expense (i.e several $k).

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #249 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:27pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

Quote:

How much will fiber to the home now cost?

If the node is right outside your house, has a spare fibre port available and it's possible to route the fibre alongside the existing copper then about $300-$500 terminated at a single wall plate - not including the NTU, fly/patch leads etc.

If it's not possible to run it alongside the copper (space, sharp turns etc) and it needs to come to the premises via a different route then triple or quadruple that cost.

Thanks & how much per month to rent say 100 MBit/sec?

Do you have a link?

No idea. It shouldn't be too hard to google for current 100mbs plans with the NBN.
The only kicker is that the NBN was supposed to be unlimited downloads - but the ISPs have them on NBN services simply because we accept them here.

Here is a link:

http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/terms_and_co...

Doesn't tell me if I can get fiber to my home.

That is for people already connected with fibre via the NBN.
If you're not already connected via fibre then it's extremely unlikely you can be at present without going to great expense (i.e several $k).

Well - that's what people voted for so that's what they'll get -
a crumby deteriorating copper system that will get worse with time.
Fiber to the home will just be unobtainable or too expensive.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #250 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:42pm done 230,000+ signatures..
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111187 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #251 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:45pm Emma wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:42pm: done 230,000+ signatures.. Good - maybe the Libbos will change their minds!
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #252 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:45pm:

Emma wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

done

230,000+ signatures..

Good - maybe the Libbos will change their minds!

Doubt it. Let them build a FTTN jobby.

50,000 to 70,000+ nodes needed to cover just the major cities and major regional centres.
Each node requiring the installation of power (not just a plain 240v connection) - each node requiring maintenance - each node requiring upgrading as more and more people want fibre - each node requiring hw swaps/upgrades of just the basic gear for copper access.

Might be cheaper to install. It's going to be a complete bitch to maintain $$$-wise.

Let 'em build it - it'll just bite them.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 76882 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #253 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:53pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:45pm: Emma wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:42pm: done 230,000+ signatures.. Good - maybe the Libbos will change their minds! Won't happen even with 10 million signatures .... Murdock will never give him the go ahead.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #254 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:58pm

must admit I expected more from that dude..??

whats 's name ??
OH yeah Malcolm Turnbull.

I wonder how HE FELT telling us all we only need substandard tech,, cos THEY need the MONEY..??

Pretty disgusting IMO..
I suspect.. unless Abbott is sworn in like NOW...

Turnbull will give him the bum's rush..

wouldn't hold my breathe tho.. Sad

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