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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #225 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:17pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:04pm: ... we will ALL have it in 6 years ... Of course we will. I hear genetic manipulation is close to perfecting porcine aviation, as well.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #226 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

...Just what is your hysterical opposition to a cost benefit analysis??? ...

I've already given my reasons. Abbot in particular has shown a propensity for corrupting those who do such tasks for him. My assessment of Turnbull is that he'll do what Abbott tells him. Any such analysis by this government would be calculated to deceive. What's your onanistic attachment to what is, after all, no more than a political tactic in this context?

Do we need more studies? Wasn't the need realised shortly after the Internet became widely available? Remember Opel? Remember Networking the Nation?

Until Kevin Rudd came up with fibre to the home, thus earning the ire of Rupert Murdoch, broadband had support from both sides of politics. It was only when the plan became something that would actually work, that opposition mounted.

I find it particularly amusing that what the Coalition labelled "fraudband" when it was Labor policy, they now pretend is state of the art. It's been years since anyone credible has said that FTTN will do the job that Australia needs done.

you clearly have not the slightest idea what a CBA is - not a clue. and as for FTTN credibility, when you run around with hands over your ears, it is no wonder you don't hear anything you don't like.

but where is your support for the massive increase in bandwidth contention??? no facts on hand? hardly surprising.

so far my favourite official comment about labors NBN is that it will allow us to do 'online shopping'. I think that comment pretty much typifies the blind ignorance of the pro-ftth crowd.

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Reply #227 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

... Why must you assume that a CBA must be corrupt?

I've already given my reasons.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

It cannot by definition be more corrupt than a completely absent one where the viability assessment was never done at all ever.

Deliberate deception is not more corrupt than no deception? Do we need more assessments?

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Reply #228 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

... you will be connected to 'it' for free ...

Not quite.

so where ...

Your attempt to distract tacitly acknowledges that, in pretending that broadband connection under the Coalition plan would entail no additional up-front costs, you lied. Good, we've estabished that.

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Reply #229 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:34pm

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

... Why must you assume that a CBA must be corrupt?

I've already given my reasons.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

It cannot by definition be more corrupt than a completely absent one where the viability assessment was never done at all ever.

Deliberate deception is not more corrupt than no deception? Do we need more assessments?

Continually repeating your conspiracy theories don't make them true. and just a clue, you are one of the lamest NBN opponents ive ever faced. giving me bandwidth data from the dial-up era was an epic fail!

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Reply #230 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

... you will be connected to 'it' for free ...

Not quite.

so where ...

Your attempt to distract tacitly acknowledges that, in pretending that broadband connection under the Coalition plan would entail no additional up-front costs, you lied. Good, we've estabished that.

im guessing you are about 19yo and a student who spends 500Mb/mth on torrent downloads.

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Reply #231 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

... I never said the demand for bandwidth had halted ...

The question was about the demonstrated rise in demand. Do you now acknowledge that the rise in demand has continued? Do you now admit that there's no prospect of the rise in demand halting?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

... and the need for 1Gbps connection ins a mere 7 yers is fanciful ...

What qualification of yours makes you a more credible source?

once again, I never said the rise in demand had halted.

Good, we've established that the rise in demand continues. We're getting somewhere.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

... the 1Gbps claim is sheer political talk. ...

Assertion constitutes substantiation - how?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

I think that's a little excessive don't you think and since it exceeds fibres capacity then perhaps we should be looking at a new technology?

When did you become a credible source? Roll Eyes

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Reply #232 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:40pm

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

... I never said the demand for bandwidth had halted ...

The question was about the demonstrated rise in demand. Do you now acknowledge that the rise in demand has continued? Do you now admit that there's no prospect of the rise in demand halting?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

... and the need for 1Gbps connection ins a mere 7 yers is fanciful ...

What qualification of yours makes you a more credible source?

once again, I never said the rise in demand had halted.

Good, we've established that the rise in demand continues. We're getting somewhere.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

... the 1Gbps claim is sheer political talk. ...

Assertion constitutes substantiation - how?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

I think that's a little excessive don't you think and since it exceeds fibres capacity then perhaps we should be looking at a new technology?

When did you become a credible source? Roll Eyes

you don't get those 'big numbers' do you. its simple.... 100 times increased in bandwith every 7 years as claimed by Quigley (and endorsed by you becomes, after 28 years...

100X100X100X100 or 100,000,000. so that is 100 million times our current bandwidth of 12Mbps

that's 1200, million million bits per second or 1.2million Gbps or 1200Tbps

comprende? 1200Tbps in <30 years time far outstrips the capacity of fibre. now tell me again what possible use of such bandwidth are likely? Lets ignore Star Trek Technology for now, okay?

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Reply #233 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

... and as for FTTN credibility, ...

Repeated assertion does not substantiation make.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

but where is your support for the massive increase in bandwidth contention???

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/344966/bandwidth_demand_reach_1gbps_by_2...
You deny, but can't substantiate your denial.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #234 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:53pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:34pm: ... Continually repeating your conspiracy theories don't make them true. ... Repeating assertions does not substantiate them.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #235 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:55pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:35pm: ... im guessing you are about 19yo ... I wish. Retired. Tertiary IT qualifications. More experience with telecomm's than I would like.
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Reply #236 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

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you don't get those 'big numbers' do you. ...

Sarcasm does not substantiation make. Find a credible source.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... 1200Tbps in <30 years time far outstrips the capacity of fibre.. ...

Does it?
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/09/26/3598036.htm Quote:

Japan's incumbent telecommunications carrier, NTT, is claiming a telecommunications speed record, demonstrating a fibre technology able to carry 1 Petabit-per-second - a million gigabits - over a distance of 50 kilometers, using a single fibre

That's 1000 Tb/s now and you're saying there'll be little advance in 30 years?

You yourself have said: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

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the point was always to mock the buffoons who seem to think that current tech can never be replaced or that the laws of physics restrict any improvements. ...

Do you acknowledge that we don't know the ultimate capacity of fibre or are you one of those buffoons?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111344 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #237 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 8:59am Hi #, Longy will be happy with his old copper wire because that's Liberal party policy. The question is: How much will fiber to the home now cost? The Libbos are just not giving any details.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #238 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am The NBN is such a vital piece of infrastructure for the future of the country, that *any* attempt to interfere with it, cut it back, or do away with it, should be regarded as an act of treason.
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Reply #239 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:13am

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How much will fiber to the home now cost?

If the node is right outside your house, has a spare fibre port available and it's possible to route the fibre alongside the existing copper then about $300-$500 terminated at a single wall plate - not including the NTU, fly/patch leads etc.

If it's not possible to run it alongside the copper (space, sharp turns etc) and it needs to come to the premises via a different route then triple or quadruple that cost.
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It's extremely unlikely that all nodes will be fibre connection ready - that'll only happen where there's enough demand. For those nodes where additional fibre hw is required, the installation cost will be greater to cover the additional hw - and possibly the junking of the old tp hw.

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