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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #60 - Sep 14th, 2013 at 9:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 8:25pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 7:59pm:
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*SIGH*, if he was divine, that would mean he would be like Jesus Christ and therefore either a god or part of the god-head.  That would mean he should, I suppose be worshipped.   As he is not divine, you merely follow his example if you want to.


So Islam permits Muslims to choose whether to follow Muhammed's example? Or is this just you making stuff up again?


You really think they are automatons without any free will at all, don't you, FD?   Roll Eyes




I think they choose to accept Islam. Muhammed kind of comes along for the ride, invited or not.

Would you point pointing out some anti-Muhammedan Muslims for me? It might help me understand what point you are trying to make.
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #61 - Sep 14th, 2013 at 11:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 8:25pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 7:59pm:
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*SIGH*, if he was divine, that would mean he would be like Jesus Christ and therefore either a god or part of the god-head.  That would mean he should, I suppose be worshipped.   As he is not divine, you merely follow his example if you want to.


So Islam permits Muslims to choose whether to follow Muhammed's example? Or is this just you making stuff up again?


You really think they are automatons without any free will at all, don't you, FD?   Roll Eyes




I think they choose to accept Islam. Muhammed kind of comes along for the ride, invited or not.


Rather like the Old Testament does for Christians, right?

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Would you point pointing out some anti-Muhammedan Muslims for me? It might help me understand what point you are trying to make.


I don't have do anything, FD.  You have to prove they are automatons for your case to work.  You haven't done so, yet.  Keep trying though, it's amusing to watch.   Grin
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #62 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 8:13am
 
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Rather like the Old Testament does for Christians, right?


Muhammed is to Islam what Jesus is to Christianity. As far as this debate goes, the divinity is a red herring.

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I don't have do anything, FD.  You have to prove they are automatons for your case to work.


OK then, could you at least explain what you think my case is. Have you invented another elaborate fantasy, or are you sticking with one of your old ones? Or am I the only one who "has to" do anything?
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #63 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 10:05am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
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Would you point pointing out some anti-Muhammedan Muslims for me? It might help me understand what point you are trying to make.


I don't have [to] do anything, FD.  You have to prove they are automatons for your case to work.  You haven't done so, yet.  Keep trying though, it's amusing to watch.   Grin




Automatons for Allah/Mohammed....


Clearly identify for the believers, the object of your religions hatred - i.e. all those who reject ISLAM.

Then whenever an 'opportunity' presents itself, project the 'rightly guided' hatred of your religious community, towards those who are 'deserving' of your hatred - i.e. towards all persons who who reject ISLAM.


Dictionary;
automaton = =
1 a moving mechanical device made in imitation of a human being.
2 a machine which performs a function according to a set of coded instructions.





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All moslems are taught from childhood to revere and love, to adore and worship, Mohammed.

All moslems are taught from childhood to hate those who question and are critical of Mohammed and Mohammed's religion - ISLAM.



...
Moslem child, on the streets of London, demonstrating that he understands the basics of his faith - Mohammedanism



Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.







The influence of ISLAM's hatred [for non-moslems], in the homes of moslems;


...

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February 18, 2008
UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love"

......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan.
"America kill," said the boy.
"Who else you kill?" said Khan.
"Bush I kill," said the boy.
"And who else?" demanded Khan.
"Blair kill, both people kill."
"Who else you kill?" asked Khan.
"Saddam, Saddam," said the boy.
Then the pair began chanting at each other.
Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar---...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml


Of course, ISLAM/moslems sanction such indoctrination of hatred in moslem children [towards what is un-ISLAMIC], as 'normal'.

Because, ISLAM teaches all moslems, that it is the infidels who are abnormal and 'vile creatures' - because the infidels are not moslems!



"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve."
Koran 8.55

Google;
vilest of creatures, koran





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KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #64 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 10:37am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 10:05am:

All moslems are taught from childhood to revere and love, to adore and worship, Mohammed.





You will have noticed that no moslem, worthy of the name, will ever refer to Mohammed by name [verbally, or in text], without adding the reverential postscript, pbuh.

"....the messenger of Allah, Mohammed [peace be upon him]"


Truly, it would seem to an observer of Mohammedans, that Mohammed is more revered by moslems by Mohammedans, than is Allah.        Cheesy

It is true!







links to a series of audio tutorials [in English, by an Arabic speaker, Koran scholar].....

"Muhammadan ISLAM as a belief system, equates Muhammad with Allah.
'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah was always very mindful of all of Muhammad's needs.
Allah, a severe God to all of humanity, except to Muhammad, to whom Allah gives divine sanction, to all of Muhammad's needs."
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/08/muhammad-allah-part-161.html

"'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah and Muhammad equal in importance, and it is clear that whatever does not please Muhammad, the same with Allah.
Muhammad, the narcissist.
2.45 sec "why forbid yourself that which allah has made lawful to you" Koran 66.1"
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/08/muhammad-humble-part-163.html

http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2009/03/allahs-blessing-peace-be-upon-him-part.htm...
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2009/03/allahs-blessing-peace-be-upon-him-part_15....



http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/07/muhammads-compassion-mercy-part-33.html
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/07/allah-his-aposle-know-best-part-53.html
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/07/dilemma-of-muhammadan-muslims-part-67.html
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/07/muhammads-psychological-profile-part-74.ht...
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/07/muhammads-megalomania-part-100.html
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/09/did-allah-love-muhammad-part-166.html


"Facts and conclusions unfavourable to Islam are dismissed, and deemed 'unacceptable' to Islamic scholars.
Islamic scholars 'pick and choose' among verses, and 'accept' only what supports their own agenda."
http://the-koran.blogspot.com/2008/10/islamic-scholars-part-171.html


more...
http://www.al-rassooli.com/blog/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #65 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 11:54am
 
I wonder, Yadda are you Jewish?  You don't seem to post on Saturdays very often.

I do know your views are those of a the schoolyard, why else the continued use of crayons?   Grin
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #66 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 8:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 3:28pm:
   I am not an expert on pre-Islamic Arabian peninsular history, nor have I claimed to be but if you really want me to find one, I will and I am sure they'll be able to provide examples.   Roll Eyes



Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 12:33am:
Just because I know my history, whereas it's obvious you don't




Which one is it, then? Do you know your history relevant to this discussion or are you just extrapolating from some other history from other parts of the world that you vaguely remember?

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #67 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 11:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 8:13am:
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Rather like the Old Testament does for Christians, right?


Muhammed is to Islam what Jesus is to Christianity. As far as this debate goes, the divinity is a red herring.


Muslims don't think it is, FD.  Doesn't their opinion count?   Roll Eyes

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I don't have do anything, FD.  You have to prove they are automatons for your case to work.


OK then, could you at least explain what you think my case is.


I believe I've already done so, FD.  Can't you comprehend my previous point?   Roll Eyes

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Have you invented another elaborate fantasy, or are you sticking with one of your old ones? Or am I the only one who "has to" do anything?


You're the one who is criticising Muslims, FD.  You want those criticisms to be taken seriously so it behoves you to be convincing.  At the moment you're not.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #68 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 11:15pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 8:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 3:28pm:
   I am not an expert on pre-Islamic Arabian peninsular history, nor have I claimed to be but if you really want me to find one, I will and I am sure they'll be able to provide examples.   Roll Eyes



Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 12:33am:
Just because I know my history, whereas it's obvious you don't




Which one is it, then? Do you know your history relevant to this discussion or are you just extrapolating from some other history from other parts of the world that you vaguely remember?



Taking two statements out of context?  Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

I know history in general, Soren.  I do not know in particular pre-Mohammedan Arabian Peninsular history which is a specialised subject.  As the claim is that Mohammed's actions were somehow unique, I showed they weren't...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #69 - Sep 16th, 2013 at 9:13am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 11:15pm:
I showed they weren't...   Roll Eyes



You showed no such thing. You CLAIMED it.
Not the same.



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Reply #70 - Sep 16th, 2013 at 9:25am
 
True Colours wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 11:20am:
Jew explains that Allah means God:



..Allah translated into English is God isn't it?. If you were born in a arab country you would use your national tongue and not a foreign translation.
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #71 - Sep 16th, 2013 at 7:47pm
 
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Muslims don't think it is, FD.  Doesn't their opinion count?


What do they think Brian? I have asked you countless times to show me a Muslim who thinks that Muhammed not an example for Muslims to follow because he is not divine. You are yet to provide one example.

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You're the one who is criticising Muslims, FD.  You want those criticisms to be taken seriously so it behoves you to be convincing.  At the moment you're not.


I really don't expect any of this to get through to you. If you are demanding I prove that Muslims seek to follow Muhammed's example, I am happy to leave your request in the too stupid basket.

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I know history in general, Soren.


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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #72 - Sep 16th, 2013 at 10:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 11:54am:

I wonder, Yadda are you Jewish?  You don't seem to post on Saturdays very often.



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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304541795/93#93





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I do know your views are those of a the schoolyard, why else the continued use of crayons?   Grin



Emphasis ?

But it is prolly always better [more 'convincing'] if we let others learn from their own mistakes.

Yes ?

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #73 - Sep 19th, 2013 at 12:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 10:29am:
Can you find a single example of such a massacre happening in pre-Islamic Arabia?


http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/301-600/arabian-chris...
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #74 - Sep 19th, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2013 at 7:59pm:
So Islam permits Muslims to choose whether to follow Muhammed's example? Or is this just you making stuff up again?


Of course it does. Islamic law is not the prophet's example, that is in a separate class called "sunna". Sunna is optional but recommended. Not to be confused with actual judgments and laws passed by the prophet - which are in the same category (if proven authentic) as quranic commands.
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