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Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:46am

True Colours wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 6:30pm:

Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?

Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?

Why ?

Why ?

Why ?

Duh!!!!

Because for many centuries, Christian Arabs [and all other minority religious communities] that have lived within moslem majority jurisdictions, have been violently compelled by their moslem overlords, to acknowledge that the deity known as ALLAH is the master of the universe.

THAT, IS WHY.

e.g.
ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 Volume 1, Page 77b

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" "
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.053.392

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #1 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:48am

Strong's number H423

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H423&version=KJV

Daniel:9:11:
Yea, all Israel 3478 have transgressed 5674-1 thy law, 8451 even by departing, 5493-2 that they might not obey 8085-2 thy voice; 6963

therefore the curse 423

is poured 5413-4 upon us, and the oath 7621 that [is] written 3789-7 in the law 8451 of Moses 4872 the servant 5650 of God, 430 because we have sinned 2398-1 against him.

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Strong's Hebrew
423 'alah aw-law'
from 422; an imprecation:--curse, cursing, execration, oath, swearing.

Dictionary;
execrate = =
1 feel or express great loathing for.
2 archaic curse; swear.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #2 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:50am

What despicable creatures these are
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1326366655/95#95
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abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

.....it doesn't know the difference between the letters 'heh' and 'alef' The last letter of the word for curse is alef, not heh. So it should be written in English as ala, not alah, but in Hebrew orthography it is mixed up with the root word for God. These kinds of mixups occur all throughout the hodge podge of a language that is Hebrew. I find it laughable when Christians try to claim it's the original language of paradise.

The correct Strong's entry you are after is this one:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H433&t=KJV

And I quote from it: "Arabic ????, ??? with article ???? (Allah) of the true God, Syriac ???? (Elaha)"

Yes, Abu

EL-owahh

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H433
Transliteration

'elowahh

EL, EL, EL - owahh

Yes, >>> EL <<< is a word, a prefix, signifying 'God'.

Elasah, the doings of God
El-beth-el, the God of Bethel
Eldaah, knowledge of God
Eldad, favored of God; love of God
Elead, witness of God
Elealeh, burnt-offering of God
Eleazar, help of God, court of God
El-elohe-Israel, God, the God of Israel
Elhanan, grace, or gift, or mercy of God
Eli, Eli, my God, my God
Eliab, God is my father; God is the father
Eliada, knowledge of God
Eliah, God the Lord
Eliahba, my God the Father
Eliakim, resurrection of God
Eliam, the people of God
Eliashib, the God of conversion
Eliathah, thou art my God
Elidad, beloved of God
Eliel, God, my God
Elienai, the God of my eyes
Eliezer, help, or court, of my God
Elihu,he is my God himself
Elijah, God the Lord, the strong Lord
Elika, pelican of God
Elimelech, my God is king
Eliphal, a miracle of God
Eliphalet, the God of deliverance
Eliphaz, the endeavor of God
Elisabeth, Elizabeth, the oath, or fullness, of God
Elisha, salvation of God
Elishah, it is God; the lamb of God: God that gives help
Elishama, God hearing
Elishaphat, my God judgeth
Elisheba, same as Elisabeth
Elishua, God is my salvation
Eliud, God is my praise
Elizur, God is my strength; my rock; rock of God
Elkanah, God the zealous; the zeal of God
Elkeshai, hardiness or rigor of God
Ellasar, revolting from God
Elmodam, the God of measure, or of the garment
Elnaam, God's fairness
Elnathan, God hath given; the gift of God
Elohi, Elohim, God
Elpaal, God's work
Elteketh, the case of God
Eltolad, the generation of God
Eluzai, God is my strength
Elzabad, the dowry of God
Elzaphan, God of the northeast wind

Is the word alah, the same word as elowahh [el-owahh] ???

No.

Does the word alah, have the same meaning as word as elowahh [el-owahh] ???

No.

The word alah, has the meaning to curse.

Isra-el

Isra-EL = = a prince with God.

Allah = = A curse, upon mankind.

Daniel:9:11:
Yea, all Israel 3478 have transgressed 5674-1 thy law, 8451 even by departing, 5493-2 that they might not obey 8085-2 thy voice; 6963 therefore the curse 423 is poured 5413-4 upon us, and the oath 7621 that [is] written 3789-7 in the law 8451 of Moses 4872 the servant 5650 of God, 430 because we have sinned 2398-1 against him.

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Strong's Hebrew
423 'alah aw-law'
from 422; an imprecation:--curse, cursing, execration, oath, swearing.

Dictionary;
execrate = =
1 feel or express great loathing for.
2 archaic curse; swear.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H423&version=KJV

The CURSE.

The CURSE.

The CURSE.

The alah.

Not the EL-owahh

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Just keep saying no, Abu.

Just keep saying you can't 'see it', Abu.

Just keep insisting that Allah, is the name of your God. [.......I BELIEVE YOU Abu !!!!]

Isaiah 6:9
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #3 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:54am

Psalms 83:1
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isra-el

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ISLAM

, ....is a curse, which is upon all of mankind. [......i blame the disobedience of the Jewish nation, for this curse.]

Daniel 9:10
Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.
11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #4 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:07am

Yadda exposed as a liar!

Mel Gibson made a movie in the language believed to be spoken by Jesus - Aramaic.

In the movie, Jesus calls God 'Allah'!

Why Yadda?

Can you explain that one? Did scary Arabs forces Jesus to say Allah? Grin

Go to about 1.40 of this clip from the Passion of Christ and see for yourself:

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #5 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:19am

True Colours wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Yadda exposed as a liar!

Mel Gibson made a movie

in the language believed to be spoken by Jesus - Aramaic.

In the movie,

Jesus calls God 'Allah'!

Why Yadda?

Can you explain that one? Did scary Arabs forces Jesus to say Allah? Grin

Go to about 1.40 of this clip from the Passion of Christ and see for yourself:

True_Colours,

LOL!!!!!!

Get a grip on reality.

Quote:

Mel Gibson made a movie

You are a cursed soul.

YOU HATE TRUTH.

You live in a delusion, that you yourself have chosen to embrace.

True_Colours,

YOU MOSLEMS ARE THE KAFIR, the 'unbelievers'.

You, are they [Kuffar] who deny, and cover the truth.

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You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

more on that, here...

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah? Reply #6 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am Jew explains that Allah means God:
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #8 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:30am

True Colours wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 6:30pm:

Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?

True_Colours,

You ask everyone on this forum a question....

"Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?"

But at the very same time, you outright refuse to acknowledge,

that for many centuries, Christian Arabs [and all other minority religious communities] that have lived within moslem majority jurisdictions, have been violently compelled by their moslem overlords, to acknowledge that the deity known as ALLAH is the master of the universe.

True_Colours,

Tell us all,

why do you [as a moslem] think, that Christian Arabs pray to a deity called Allah?

Hmmmmm ????

Is it perhaps, coz you went to watch a movie made by Mel Gibson ???

LOL!!!!!

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #9 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:45am

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

Yadda it is just a language issue. That's the word they use.

FD,

If that is what you believe.

Of course centuries of moslem rule over Christian Arabs [and all other minority religious communities] can't have any influence upon why Christian Arabs refer to the Christian God, as ALLAH ???

Do you think ?

FD,

Do you understand what the moslem call; 'Allah Akbar' actually translates as ???

'Allah Akbar' translates literally as;

'Allah is greater'

Google;

allah is greater

"Allahu Akbar" does NOT mean "God is great" as is popularly assumed among non-moslems.

"Allahu Akbar" actually means "Allah is greater."

GREAT-ER

Allah [in the eyes of moslems] is greater than what, FD ??? Tongue

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Ezekiel 35:10
Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #10 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 12:02pm

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

Yadda it is just a language issue. That's the word they use.

FD,

In the spirit realm, words are often weapons.

Words have meaning, and power.

Isaiah 49:2
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

Revelation 1:16
And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And that is why truth is so important to God and Jesus [Yesuha].

Because in the spirit realm, words have meaning, and power.

And on earth ?

Do we [here] count truth, to be important ?

We know, that moslems - DO NOT!

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Keeping oaths [i.e. keeping your word]....

ALLAH;

"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."
Koran 66:2

"The Prophet said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath."."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.067.427
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.078.618
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.709
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.710
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.712
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.715

Coz, Mohammed is a covenant breaker, and a liar, just like his god.

"expiate my oath", means an obligation to Allah of penance [Kaffara], e.g. fasting for three days, or to clothe or feed poor people.

see also....

Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah? Reply #11 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 1:37pm Do your posts have to be stupidly long yadda? As a previous member previously mentioned, can you just get to the point. I honestly don't think a lot of people read your recycled essays.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43423	Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah? Reply #12 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 3:09pm In Arabic, "Allah" means "God", Yadda. I've be very surprised to hear an Arabic speaker talking about "God" and using a different word.
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Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah?
Reply #13 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 4:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

In Arabic, "Allah" means "God", Yadda. I've be very surprised to hear an Arabic speaker talking about "God" and using a different word. Roll Eyes

If yadda says that the Christians are compelled to say Allah as there God by muslims, how come current australia Christian middle easterners still say allah.

So are they compelled?

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Torpedo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 867 Sydney Gender:	Re: Why do Christian Arabs also pray to Allah? Reply #14 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 5:06pm I don't think I agree with that, I've known Christian Arabs, like Assyrians, their predisposition is definitely in Christian values, in Jesus, not Muhammad. Also, there are plenty of Chistian/atheist Arabs that I've met who deride muslims, and mock their stupidity.
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