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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #60 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:51am muso wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:49pm: Ajax, What do you think about Chemtrails? You mean contrails fro jet aircraft....??? They contribute to the albedo effect just like all other clouds do....!!!!
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #61 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:08am OK, so you don't buy the chemtrails conspiracy too.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #62 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:24pm Conspiracies fuel climate change denial and belief in chemtrails By David Suzuki with contributions from Ian Hanington, Communications Manager September 5, 2013
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Re: Motivated Rejection of Science
Reply #63 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:33pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:41am:

[quote author=muso link=1378442417/57#57 date=1378895854]

Sea levels are expected to rise somewhere between 100mm to 150mm by 2100.

This is pretty much in concert with the Earth's natural cycle of cooling and warming periods.

Can you describe this natural cycle? (its periodicity, intensity etc)

what is its underlying mechanism?

(I wonder which scientific discipline and which peer reviewed scientific journals you will refer to in order to entertain these questions, and support your statements? I hope you don't cite Bolt and Monckton as authorities or the Peabody Coal Company)

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Reply #64 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 12:56pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:41am:

[quote author=muso link=1378442417/57#57 date=1378895854]

Sea levels are expected to rise somewhere between 100mm to 150mm by 2100.

This is pretty much in concert with the Earth's natural cycle of cooling and warming periods.

Can you describe this natural cycle? (its periodicity, intensity etc)

what is its underlying mechanism?

(I wonder which scientific discipline and which peer reviewed scientific journals you will refer to in order to entertain these questions, and support your statements? I hope you don't cite Bolt and Monckton as authorities or the Peabody Coal Company)

Look at our history.........????

There is nothing to worry about....sleep easy at night dude....its not the end of the world.....!!!

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #65 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 3:03pm 800,000 years of atmospheric CO2, showing two possible projections to 2100. Entering unknown territory.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #66 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:14pm Did you pull those graphs out of Jimmy Hansen's arsehole did ya....??? Cause that's where they look like they've came from....!!!...
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #67 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:17pm As usual, you come back with an ad hominem.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #68 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:24pm muso wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:17pm: As usual, you come back with an ad hominem. If its not Jimmy Hansens' arsehole it must be the IPCC's....?? Probably their computer circulation models.....??? Their hypothesis deserves the trash can.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #69 - Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:52pm Keep trying. Only 2500 climate scientists to go. Specifically, what do you have a problem with?
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Reply #70 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

muso wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

Keep trying. Only 2500 climate scientists to go.

Specifically, what do you have a problem with?

Stop kidding yourself more like 77 or so.......!!!!!!

Quote:

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell

So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from?

It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois.

Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.

Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic.

That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

That anything-but-scientific survey asked two questions.

The first:

“When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”

Few would be expected to dispute this…the planet began thawing out of the “Little Ice Age” in the middle 19th century, predating the Industrial Revolution. (That was the coldest period since the last real Ice Age ended roughly 10,000 years ago.)

The second question asked:

“Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”

So what constitutes “significant”? Does “changing” include both cooling and warming… and for both “better” and “worse”? And which contributions…does this include land use changes, such as agriculture and deforestation?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-...

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #71 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:41pm Another flawed opinion based survey.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #72 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:59pm muso wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Another flawed opinion based survey. Too right dude.......!!!!! So you agree then that anything but a scientific consensus is rubbish at best.....!!!! Good to see you're sticking up for the truth.
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Reply #73 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:26pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

muso wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Another flawed opinion based survey.

Too right dude.......!!!!!

So you agree then that anything but a scientific consensus is rubbish at best.....!!!!

Good to see you're sticking up for the truth.

A survey of opinions is worthless. A survey of papers is a totally different thing.

I know why you're concentrating so much on this bullsh1t survey. It's because you are clearly out of your depth on anything remotely technical.

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Reply #74 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:36pm

muso wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

muso wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Another flawed opinion based survey.

Too right dude.......!!!!!

So you agree then that anything but a scientific consensus is rubbish at best.....!!!!

Good to see you're sticking up for the truth.

A survey of opinions is worthless. A survey of papers is a totally different thing.

I know why you're concentrating so much on this bullsh1t survey. It's because you are clearly out of your depth on anything remotely technical.

This is how the 98% consensus originally came about.....!!!

With the technical stuff I do my best..... Cheesy

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