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Reply #45 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:36am

muso wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Gizmo, Now you know how I feel. Hey Ajax! I saw the Apollo 11 burn that started its journey to the moon.

I saw it too muso, it interrupted the blonde & dagwood show.

My 2 cents is the landing and roaming around was filmed much earlier to take off.

The two astronauts spend most of their moonlanding time orbiting the Earth in the lunar module.

When the time came to show the world the US had indeed conquered the moon, Armstrong & Aldrin just popped the beta video taken of them in area 51 weeks before take off roaming around in the Nevada desert. Cheesy

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Reply #46 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:57am

Ajax wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

... the landing and roaming around was filmed much earlier to take off.

The two astronauts spend most of their moonlanding time orbiting the Earth in the lunar module.

When the time came to show the world the US had indeed conquered the moon, Armstrong & Aldrin just popped the beta video taken of them in area 51 weeks before take off roaming around in the Nevada desert. Cheesy

Ajax, your lunacy knows no bounds. You do realise that the smileys could be interpreted as manic, don't you?

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Reply #47 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:02am

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Ajax wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

... the landing and roaming around was filmed much earlier to take off.

The two astronauts spend most of their moonlanding time orbiting the Earth in the lunar module.

When the time came to show the world the US had indeed conquered the moon, Armstrong & Aldrin just popped the beta video taken of them in area 51 weeks before take off roaming around in the Nevada desert. Cheesy

Ajax, your lunacy knows no bounds. You do realise that the smileys could be interpreted as manic, don't you?

Thanks i'll take that as a compliment.

I should have added.

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When the time came to show the world the US had indeed conquered the moon, Armstrong & Aldrin just popped the beta video taken of them in area 51 weeks before take off roaming around in the Nevada desert

in slow motion

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Re: Motivated Rejection of Science
Reply #48 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:28am

Ajax wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

muso wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Gizmo, Now you know how I feel. Hey Ajax! I saw the Apollo 11 burn that started its journey to the moon.

I saw it too muso, it interrupted the blonde & dagwood show.

My 2 cents is the landing and roaming around was filmed much earlier to take off.

The two astronauts spend most of their moonlanding time orbiting the Earth in the lunar module.

When the time came to show the world the US had indeed conquered the moon, Armstrong & Aldrin just popped the beta video taken of them in area 51 weeks before take off roaming around in the Nevada desert. Cheesy

And do you truly believe that the thousands of ham radio operators, amateur astronomers and other assorted tech-heads who'd been following and monitoring the Apollo mission couldn't tell the origin of the signal??

p.s not to mention the entire USSR space program and monitoring stations.

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Reply #49 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:31am

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Ajax, your lunacy knows no bounds. You do realise that the smileys could be interpreted as manic, don't you?

Yes. He is really good at it. Does wonders for the credibility. I'm sure that your fellow denialists are really appreciative of your contributions.

Tell us more about the staged moon landing. Tell us about how the banks really have control of the Energy companies, and how the ocean is warming and is bulging outwards like Monckton's eyes. We're all ears.

Here. Take as much as you want.

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Reply #50 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:47pm

muso wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Ajax, your lunacy knows no bounds. You do realise that the smileys could be interpreted as manic, don't you?

Yes. He is really good at it. Does wonders for the credibility. I'm sure that your fellow denialists are really appreciative of your contributions.

Tell us more about the staged moon landing. Tell us about how the banks really have control of the Energy companies, and how the ocean is warming and is bulging outwards like Monckton's eyes. We're all ears.

Here. Take as much as you want.

http://www.juliewinklegiulioni.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tug_of_war_rope-30...

I didn't actually do physics at school, other than as part of general science ( my elective was biology), but from memory, it seems that thermal expansion might be applicable to the sea level change.

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Reply #51 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:01pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

muso wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Ajax, your lunacy knows no bounds. You do realise that the smileys could be interpreted as manic, don't you?

Yes. He is really good at it. Does wonders for the credibility. I'm sure that your fellow denialists are really appreciative of your contributions.

Tell us more about the staged moon landing. Tell us about how the banks really have control of the Energy companies, and how the ocean is warming and is bulging outwards like Monckton's eyes. We're all ears.

Here. Take as much as you want.

http://www.juliewinklegiulioni.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tug_of_war_rope-30...

I didn't actually do physics at school, other than as part of general science ( my elective was biology), but from memory, it seems that thermal expansion might be applicable to the sea level change.

Correct. It's the main cause of it. I was referring to another previous point though.

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Reply #52 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:39am

muso wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

muso wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Ajax, your lunacy knows no bounds. You do realise that the smileys could be interpreted as manic, don't you?

Yes. He is really good at it. Does wonders for the credibility. I'm sure that your fellow denialists are really appreciative of your contributions.

Tell us more about the staged moon landing. Tell us about how the banks really have control of the Energy companies, and how the ocean is warming and is bulging outwards like Monckton's eyes. We're all ears.

Here. Take as much as you want.

http://www.juliewinklegiulioni.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tug_of_war_rope-30...

I didn't actually do physics at school, other than as part of general science ( my elective was biology), but from memory, it seems that thermal expansion might be applicable to the sea level change.

Correct. It's the main cause of it. I was referring to another previous point though.

So then the melting of the glaciers isn't the main cause of sea level rise....???!!!

Then we have nothing to worry about.....!!!!... Tongue

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Re: Motivated Rejection of Science
Reply #53 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:27am

Ajax wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

So then the melting of the glaciers isn't the main cause of sea level rise....???!!!

Then we have nothing to worry about.....!!!!... Tongue

Which time scale are you talking about? The last 50 years, the last 10 years, the last 2 years, the period following the last glaciation or the next 80 or 90 years?

It's not a trick question.

Why were there no stars in the Apollo Moon photos? Please tell us.

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Re: Motivated Rejection of Science
Reply #54 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:31am

muso wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

Ajax wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

So then the melting of the glaciers isn't the main cause of sea level rise....???!!!

Then we have nothing to worry about.....!!!!... Tongue

Which time scale are you talking about? The last 50 years, the last 10 years, the last 2 years, the period following the last glaciation or the next 80 or 90 years?

It's not a trick question.

The melting of the arctic started about 200 years ago it has nothing to do with man's emissions of CO2.

Since we're coming out of a mini ice age it makes sense that there will be some melting of glaciers etc, that CO2 will rise and sea levels will rise.

That's the bottom line.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Motivated Rejection of Science Reply #55 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:33am You didn't answer the question. Gizmo and I were talking about "the" sea level rise, where you were talking about sea level rise in general. You need to clarify what you mean.
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Reply #56 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:41am

muso wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

You didn't answer the question. Gizmo and I were talking about "the" sea level rise, where you were talking about sea level rise in general. You need to clarify what you mean.

I'm not an oceanographer....???!!!!

Sure the oceans will be warmer around the equator and cooler at the poles.

In between........................!!!!!!!

The complexity of how the ocean absorbs and disperses heat is beyond me and I would say probably beyond your good self as well.

The general picture is what i'm after you know the bottom line.

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Reply #57 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:37pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

The general picture is what i'm after you know the bottom line.

No. What you are after is anything that you can use to support your conspiracy theories. It doesn't matter how much you simplify things. If you can use semantics to support your case, you will dishonestly use semantics.

For example, taking about recent sea level rise in the context of the last 50 years, I said that the major effect is thermal expansion. You jumped on this and said that "oh well if that's the only cause of sea level rise, then we have nothing to worry about."

No consideration of time scale. No consideration of the fact that when temperatures were last similar to those of today in the Eemian, Sea Levels were 5 to 7 metres higher globally than they are today, and that this was mainly due to Glacial meltwater.

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Reply #59 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 7:41am

muso wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

No. What you are after is anything that you can use to support your conspiracy theories. It doesn't matter how much you simplify things. If you can use semantics to support your case, you will dishonestly use semantics.

That sounds more like you, when you cannot defend the flimsy science AGW is based on you revert to ad hominem.

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For example, taking about recent sea level rise in the context of the last 50 years, I said that the major effect is thermal expansion. You jumped on this and said that "oh well if that's the only cause of sea level rise, then we have nothing to worry about."

Thermal expansion of the ocean is not a new phenomenon, its been around as long as the oceans have been around, and yes we have had many sea level rises & drops.

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No consideration of time scale. No consideration of the fact that when temperatures were last similar to those of today in the Eemian, Sea Levels were 5 to 7 metres higher globally than they are today, and that this was mainly due to Glacial meltwater.

Then why aren't they 5 to 7 metres higher today...????

I agree sea levels are rising but not at the alarming rate the alarmists predict.

Sea levels are expected to rise somewhere between 100mm to 150mm by 2100.

This is pretty much in concert with the Earth's natural cycle of cooling and warming periods.

The alarmists in order to scare everyone to death and quickly pass a tax on the air we breath are telling us some ridiculous figures for sea level rises.

The medieval warm period was about as hot as today yet we didn't see 20 feet of sea level rise.

When I first came on here you guys made it sound as though sea level rises where due to glaciers and the arctic melting.

Now its thermal expansion of the oceans..... Wink

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