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Reply #15 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 5:33pm
 
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Feedback from the psychologists was that I  was pretty good at weeding out psychotics, but often let psychopaths slip through. Truth be known, even the best had difficulty with the latter. From a labour market perspective, the difference as it was explained to me is that, while a psychotic can affect the profitability of a business, a psychopath can destroy it. The purpose of all that expensive testing was to minimise disruptive (and potentially destructive) influences in the workplace.

Anyway, in Ajax, I recognise something familiar. That set me searching to find out whether anyone else had made the connection. Hence this topic.


I know what you mean. Most people will at least listen to rational argument. He's a true faithful. No amount of logic will prevail.
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Reply #16 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 7:54pm
 
What is psychosis?
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When someone experiences psychosis they are unable to distinguish what is real — there is a loss of contact with reality.
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Reply #17 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 8:27pm
 
# wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 7:54pm:
What is psychosis?
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When someone experiences psychosis they are unable to distinguish what is real — there is a loss of contact with reality.


Can you provide an example of a person who is in contact with reality?

what is reality?

You may be confusing a psychotic episode with a schizophrenic episode. Schizophrenia is a mental state whereby the perception of reality is split or torn (often confused with a split personality which is totally unrelated)

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Reply #18 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:14am
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:31pm:
There are no conspiracy theories my friend just facts.

Like for example,



Now about the moon landing did that really happen...??

Well between the Earth and the moon there is a radiation belt was the lunar module insulated to stop this radiation passing through.....??

Well it must of been cause the astronauts are still alive today.

The lunar module had a rocket propellant device under its fuselage as it descended to make the landing this rocket should have dug out a little bit of a crater directly under it.

But guess what no crater of any size to report of.

This would have caused a lot of sand particles to become air borne (rocket pressure) even though the moon has only one sixth of the earth's gravity, eventually all these sand particles would have eventually settled back down again.

If one looks at the lunar module after it landed it looks like the astronauts have taken a rag and Mr. Sheen to its exterior, its squeaky clean.

But hell what do I know.......??

Now where the twin towers demolished or did they fall in accordance with the official story the authorities gave.

What pulverises steel reinforced concrete........????

What can melt steel....???

You know we may not be as educated as you would like us to be, but we're not smacking stupid either..... Cheesy Grin




Oh wow...that's just an.....amazing(ly silly) argument.
Please stop, you're making it very embarassing to be a climate skeptic when you post stuff like that..
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #19 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:29am
 
# wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:40pm:
NASA faked the moon landing|Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax:
An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science


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Although nearly all domain experts agree that human CO2 emissions are altering the world's climate, segments of the public remain unconvinced by the scientific evidence. Internet blogs have become a vocal platform for climate denial, and bloggers have taken a prominent and influential role in questioning climate science. We report a survey (N > 1100) of climate blog users to identify the variables underlying acceptance and rejection of climate science. Paralleling previous work, we find that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science (r ~ .80 between latent constructs). Endorsement of the free market also predicted the rejection of other established scientific findings, such as the facts that HIV causes AIDS and that smoking causes lung cancer. We additionally show that endorsement of a cluster of conspiracy theories (e.g., that the CIA killed Martin-Luther King or that NASA faked the moon landing) predicts rejection of climate science as well as the rejection of other scientific findings, above and beyond endorsement of laissez-faire free markets. This provides empirical confirmation of previous suggestions that conspiracist ideation contributes to the rejection of science. Acceptance of science, by contrast, was strongly associated with the perception of a consensus among scientists.



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From 9-11, to the death of Osama bin Laden, to the Boston Bombings, there's been a consistently bizarre and troubling reaction by some members of the public.

We're referring to the people—a minority, to be sure, but a surprisingly large one—who always seem to think there's some kind of cover up. The U.S. government, they feel, was really behind the attacks on, uh, itself. And as for Bin Laden—well, he isn't really dead.

These people are called conspiracy theorists, and, their particular form of irrationality is uniquely befuddling. It has been often denounced, but rarely understood. That's too bad, because conspiratorial thinking clearly plays an important role in science denial, on matters ranging from the connection between HIV and AIDS, to the safety of vaccines, to global warming.

Fortunately, conspiracy mongers are now becoming the subject of research and study—and our latest guest is helping to lead this inquiry.

His name is Stephan Lewandowsky, and he's a professor at the school of psychology at the University of Western Australia, and at the University of Bristol in the UK. And he's the author of a recent study with the delicious title "NASA Faked the Moon Landings, Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science (PDF)"—which drew some small amount of attention, especially when it was followed by a second study of the conspiracy theorists who rejected the first study for, yes, conspiratorial reasons.


Sorry #, can you link an actual skeptic website that uses the 'moon hoax = no ACC' argument??? Because I've never seen it listed before.
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Reply #20 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:42am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:14am:
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Oh wow...that's just an.....amazing(ly silly) argument.
Please stop, you're making it very embarassing to be a climate skeptic when you post stuff like that..

On the evidence of his ineptitudes, Ajax is poorly educated and of below average intelligence. His grasp on reality is questionable. This is the company you choose to keep.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:29am:
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Sorry #, can you link an actual skeptic website that uses the 'moon hoax = no ACC' argument??? Because I've never seen it listed before.

It's called "humour" Quote:
2. Also called sense of humour the ability to appreciate or express that which is humorous

Denial of climate science is a joke. A very bad joke.
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Reply #21 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:44am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:14am:
Oh wow...that's just an.....amazing(ly silly) argument.
Please stop, you're making it very embarassing to be a climate skeptic when you post stuff like that..


So what are your thoughts on Ed Caryl's little piece Gizmo? Did you also cringe when you read that? How well calibrated is  your "sillyness meter" ? 

Do you agree with his point that the oceans are warming? 

http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/30/university-of-colorado-admits-radar-altimetry...

You have always struck me as being objective. Let's see if I'm right. 

... but I also think you're scared to think through every post objectively in case you're proven wrong. Prove me wrong.
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Reply #22 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 9:09am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
# wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 7:54pm:
What is psychosis?
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When someone experiences psychosis they are unable to distinguish what is real — there is a loss of contact with reality.
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You may be confusing a psychotic episode with ...

Did you follow the link to the source of the quote? Made a fool of yourself, haven't you?
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Reply #23 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 10:37am
 
Strangely enough the diagnosis of mental illness seems to be, to a large extent, geographically determined. The same symptoms are interpreted differently in different countries. They have some completely different ideas in the US for example.

That, admittedly was the viewpoint of one single psychiatrist whom I met at dinner once. I haven't really  delved into the subject enough to determine the validity of his viewpoint.

A few years ago, I completed a short course on cognitive psychology applied to the workforce.  That's about my limit.

Edit: Just found this. It seems that there are two main classification systems, so my psych. acquaintance was probably on the ball:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_mental_disorders
 

DSM Group (US): Schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders
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Reply #24 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
You guys never question these things like you question the pros and cons of the AGW religion.....????

Strange........................!!!!!

That you would accept one thing at face value and not the other....????

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Now about the moon landing did that really happen...??

Well between the Earth and the moon there is a radiation belt was the lunar module insulated to stop this radiation passing through.....??

Well it must of been cause the astronauts are still alive today.

The lunar module had a rocket propellant device under its fuselage as it descended to make the landing this rocket should have dug out a little bit of a crater directly under it.

But guess what no crater of any size to report of.

This would have caused a lot of sand particles to become air borne (rocket pressure) even though the moon has only one sixth of the earth's gravity, eventually all these sand particles would have eventually settled back down again.

If one looks at the lunar module after it landed it looks like the astronauts have taken a rag and Mr. Sheen to its exterior, its squeaky clean.

But hell what do I know.......??

Now where the twin towers demolished or did they fall in accordance with the official story the authorities gave.

What pulverises steel reinforced concrete........????

What can melt steel....???

You know we may not be as educated as you would like us to be, but we're not smacking stupid either.....
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Reply #25 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:06pm
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:02pm:
You guys never question these things like you question the pros and cons of the AGW religion.....????


I hope you mean Chimp and #. They're the ones arguing about whether you're Psychotic or Schizophrenic. I was the one who gave you the benefit of the doubt.
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Reply #26 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:09pm
 
muso wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:06pm:
Ajax wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:02pm:
You guys never question these things like you question the pros and cons of the AGW religion.....????


I hope you mean Chimp and #. They're the ones arguing about whether you're Psychotic or Schizophrenic. I was the one who gave you the benefit of the doubt.


thanks dude......... Cool

Sounds like the other guys believe everything George Bush said..........!!!
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Reply #27 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
muso wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 10:37am:
... the viewpoint of one single psychiatrist ...

A few years ago, I completed a short course on cognitive psychology applied to the workforce.  That's about my limit.
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Conflating psychology and psychiatry is probably unwise. Though related, they're not the same.

My job was to detect, not to treat. In Ajax, I see some of what I was trained to detect. Psychiatry is more about detailed diagnosis and treatment.
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Reply #28 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
We progressives have had to abandon our postmodern view of the world that views science as "just one interpretation amongst multiple interpretations" and embrace hard empiricism. It was a hard choice, but it will help in smashing the bourgeois, so it'll be worth it in the end.
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Reply #29 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 3:03pm
 
We Conservatives quite like hard facts too. Brain food, old chap. The nutritional value of facts is considerably more than that of bullsh1t.

Relieved to hear that the truth is not a partisan issue.

Let me guess - Business and Government?
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