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Sep 5th, 2013 at 2:29pm
 
2 September 2013, 4.45pm AEST



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It was summer, and it was hot, and then it was winter, and it was warm. But was it caused by us? Flickr/island home


It’s official, the past 12 months have been the hottest in Australia for more than a hundred years. Temperatures averaged across Australia between September 2012 and August 2013 were hotter than any year since good records began in 1910. The previous record was held by the 12-month period from February 2005 to January 2006.

The new record follows a suite of broken records following last year’s “angry summer”, including the hottest summer since records began.

New weather records are being set all the time. Sometimes these are record cold temperatures, but more often in recent times these have been record hot temperatures. A common question is what is the human role, if any, in these records compared with natural variations of weather and climate?

The link between global warming and human causes has been firmly established over the last two decades. Multiple studies have shown that it is very unlikely that natural variations in climate can explain recent global climate change. While these results are clear, it is still helpful to determine the influence of global warming on regional climate extremes, since such extremes are often more influenced by natural variability.

However, attributing a single event or a record to human activities isn’t easy. But last year Hurricane Sandy put the spotlight on climate change and extreme weather.

And in late June this year, our scientific study published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters showed human-caused climate change substantially increased the likelihood of the very hot 2013 Australian summer. Human influences on the climate system increased the chances of our record hot summer by more than five times.

Using the same approach, we have now analysed the past 12-month’s temperatures across Australia. Our results show that human influences on the climate very likely increased by more than one hundred times the chances of the record 12-month Australia temperature.

We started our analysis by considering more than 20 of the latest generation of climate models. These models all participated in an international initiative that undertakes standardised climate model experiments. From these we selected the nine models that best captured the observed variability in Australian average temperature to perform our analyses.

Using these remaining nine state-of-the-art global climate models, we investigated the chances of setting a new record high 12-month average temperature across Australia. The previous record was set in 2005.

We compared temperature probabilities from a suite of model simulations of the climate including only natural climate influences (volcanoes and solar radiation changes) with a parallel set of model simulations including natural and human influences on the climate, such as increasing greenhouse gases.

The results were clear. When human influences were included in the model simulations, the probability of setting a new record, as occurred at the end of August 2013, was dramatically higher. Indeed, it was very likely (with 90% confidence) that human influences increased the odds by at least 100 times of setting a new record 12-month temperature.

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Probabilities of average September-August temperatures for Australia from observations (dashed line) and climate model simulations for 1911-2005. The vertical lines show the temperature anomalies for September 1997 to August 1998 (the hottest September to August on record) and for February 2005 to January 2006 (the previous hottest 12-month period in the observational record). David Karoly & Sophie Lewis


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As above, but now showing the probabilities from observations (1911-2005) and climate model simulations for 2006-2020 including human influences on the climate, such as increasing greenhouse gases. The probability of exceeding the previous 12-month record is now at least 100 times more likely than without human influences. David Karoly & Sophie Lewis


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When we considered the repeated model simulations with just natural climate factors, we found only one 12-month period out of more than 5700 years that exceeded the record set in 2005. However, when we considered the model simulations including human influences on the climate, as well as natural variability, for the period 2006 to 2020, we found 41 12-month periods out of 465 years exceeded the record.

Hence, it would be nearly impossible to get such a new Australian temperature record due to natural climate variations alone. However, such records become quite common, about once every eleven years in our current climate, with increased global average temperatures due to human activity.

The recent record temperature is also notable because it occurred at a time when El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) conditions were neutral (neither El Niño nor La Niña occurring), which typically produces normal, rather than warm, temperatures across Australia.

The model experiments also show that these types of extreme Australian temperatures will become more severe and more frequent in the future, with further global warming.
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the next El Ninio cycle is just around the corner

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Quite possibly NO role whatsoever...
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Hottest 12-month period confirmed – so what role did humans play?

Quite possibly none.



Well, given the low solar irradiance, we should have less warming.  Other than that, we can only speak in terms of general trends.

In my part of the world, it was a very hot winter.

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muso wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 6:46pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 6:30pm:
Hottest 12-month period confirmed – so what role did humans play?

Quite possibly none.




Well, given the low solar irradiance, we should have less warming.  Other than that, we can only speak in terms of general trends.

In my part of the world, it was a very hot winter.



Well in mine it was a fairly cold winter, at least compared to last year, (which is, I admit too recent to make any decent comparison to) but, so far it's been a moderately warmish spring.

I needed the heater on a higher setting this year than the last couple, which is I freely admit, the only basis that I can use, since the previous ones (3+ years ago, weren't as cold)
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 6:30pm:
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Quite possibly NO role whatsoever...

In principle, all things are possible. The question is one of probabilities. According to the vast majority of the best qualified, humans are most likely contributing substantially to the warming of the planet.

Where do you think the probabilities lie?
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I think that the long term trend is more important than indiviidual years. 

When you rank the years, a clear picture emerges.
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Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
the next El Ninio cycle is just around the corner



Hansen claimed that there would be a tendency for more frequent La Nina periods, but it wasn't generally accepted.
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Reply #9 - Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:07pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 7:00pm:
I needed the heater on a higher setting this year than the last couple, which is I freely admit, the only basis that I can use,


but that can be explained by the fact that you are getting older too .....
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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:16am
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:07pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 7:00pm:
I needed the heater on a higher setting this year than the last couple, which is I freely admit, the only basis that I can use,


but that can be explained by the fact that you are getting older too .....


I suppose that is a possibility, although I think feeling the cold due to age is a more likely a gradual thing ,and doesn't suddenly kick in 'overnight' as it were..
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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:42am
 
muso wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:07pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
the next El Ninio cycle is just around the corner



Hansen claimed that there would be a tendency for more frequent La Nina periods, but it wasn't generally accepted.


Is the cycling period being compressed?

I Wonder what mechanism or factors would drive that ?
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OOhhh please more AGW religious propaganda.

Seriously someone writes a paper that the Earth is melting and these guys on here are flashing it around like the front page of a tabloid newspaper.

Without even checking to see if its just sensationalism.

How about we have a look at what the satellites are showing us about all this warming.

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http://joannenova.com.au/2013/06/australias-angry-hot-summer-was-hot-angry-hype-...

Seriously you have to take everything on this forum that is presented as proof of man being responsible for the Earth warming with a pinch of salt.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/humans-contributed-to-austra...

And you guys question the likes of Soon.
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Ajax wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:48am:
OOhhh please more AGW religious propaganda.
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The lead author of the article in the OP was David Karoly
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David Karoly is a Professor of Atmospheric Science in the School of Earth Sciences and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science at the University of Melbourne.

He is an internationally recognised expert in climate change and climate variability, including greenhouse climate change, stratospheric ozone depletion and interannual climate variations due to El Niño-Southern Oscillation.

David Karoly was heavily involved in preparation of the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released in 2007, in several different roles. Professor Karoly was Chair of the Premier of Victoria’s Climate Change Reference Group during 2008 and 2009. At present, he is a member of the Science Advisory Panel of the Climate Commission, the recently established Climate Change Authority, and the Wentworth Group of Concerned Scientists.


You prefer Jo Nova Quote:
Joanne Nova aka JoNova (real name Joanne Codling), born circa 1967, is an Australian right wing communicator who mainly writes to promote anti-science views of climate in books and a denialist weblog, joannenova.com.au. She has no evident academic background in climate science; her degree (B.Sc.) is in molecular biology.
plus a report from the least credible media on the planet.

That's a bit like saying the weather girl is prettier than the meteorologist, so her weather forecast is more credible.
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And Karoly is a government paid tax payer funded soak spruiker for the warmist cult. Of course he would say that.

Your point is pointless.
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Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
And Karoly is a government paid tax payer funded soak spruiker for the warmist cult. ...

It's the paranoids, isn't it? They're out to get us, aren't they?  Roll Eyes
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# wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:21pm:
Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
And Karoly is a government paid tax payer funded soak spruiker for the warmist cult. ...

It's the paranoids, isn't it? They're out to get us, aren't they?  Roll Eyes


So, are you paid to spruik too? or are you just another sheep meekly falling into line?
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Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:37pm:
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Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
And Karoly is a government paid tax payer funded soak spruiker for the warmist cult. ...

It's the paranoids, isn't it? They're out to get us, aren't they?  Roll Eyes


So, are you paid to spruik too? or are you just another sheep meekly falling into line?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378442417
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# wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:01pm:
Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:37pm:
# wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:21pm:
Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
And Karoly is a government paid tax payer funded soak spruiker for the warmist cult. ...

It's the paranoids, isn't it? They're out to get us, aren't they?  Roll Eyes


So, are you paid to spruik too? or are you just another sheep meekly falling into line?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378442417


really......?? whatever you are on, ease back a bit.
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Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
# wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:01pm:
Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:37pm:
# wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:21pm:
Rider wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
And Karoly is a government paid tax payer funded soak spruiker for the warmist cult. ...

It's the paranoids, isn't it? They're out to get us, aren't they?  Roll Eyes


So, are you paid to spruik too? or are you just another sheep meekly falling into line?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378442417


really......?? ...

I know, I know; they're all in it together.  Roll Eyes
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So you criticize Soon and tell me Karoly is ok.

Talk about cheery picking.

I don't think I can take you seriously any longer.... Tongue
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If this sudden interest in Environment is somehow motivated by Politics, you can relax. I don't vote on single issues, and right now my priority is for a stronger economy. I will be voting for the Libs, but that doesn't mean I'm throwing atmospheric science out the window. If I see good science being attacked by bullsh1t, I'll be there to defend the science.
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muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
If this sudden interest in Environment is somehow motivated by Politics, you can relax. I don't vote on single issues, and right now my priority is for a stronger economy. I will be voting for the Libs, but that doesn't mean I'm throwing atmospheric science out the window. If I see good science being attacked by bullsh1t, I'll be there to defend the science.


My motivation is not political, but the AGW religion sure is..?

You guys always fall back on the fossil fuel industry giving large sums of money to denialists.

Have you ever asked WTF banks are giving BILLIONS to fund the AGW religion.....???
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Ajax wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:57pm:
muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
If this sudden interest in Environment is somehow motivated by Politics, you can relax. I don't vote on single issues, and right now my priority is for a stronger economy. I will be voting for the Libs, but that doesn't mean I'm throwing atmospheric science out the window. If I see good science being attacked by bullsh1t, I'll be there to defend the science.


My motivation is not political, but the AGW religion sure is..?

You guys always fall back on the fossil fuel industry giving large sums of money to denialists.


I fall back on science and facts. You've already admitted (by lack of reply)  that you don't understand the term "correlation" or "correlation coefficient".
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muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:09pm:
Ajax wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:57pm:
muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
If this sudden interest in Environment is somehow motivated by Politics, you can relax. I don't vote on single issues, and right now my priority is for a stronger economy. I will be voting for the Libs, but that doesn't mean I'm throwing atmospheric science out the window. If I see good science being attacked by bullsh1t, I'll be there to defend the science.


My motivation is not political, but the AGW religion sure is..?

You guys always fall back on the fossil fuel industry giving large sums of money to denialists.


I fall back on science and facts. You've already admitted (by lack of reply)  that you don't understand the term "correlation" or "correlation coefficient".


Can you prove that CO2 & temperature correlate.....?????
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I'm not going to post it again. You find the post where I calculated the correlation coefficient.
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muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 5:04pm:
I'm not going to post it again. You find the post where I calculated the correlation coefficient.


Has there ever been a standard here on Earth for CO2 in our atmosphere or temperature........?

Can man ever hope to achieve such a thing....???

This is the futility of your argument that AGW is responsible for the warming of the Earth.
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Ajax wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 9:58am:
muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 5:04pm:
I'm not going to post it again. You find the post where I calculated the correlation coefficient.


Has there ever been a standard here on Earth for CO2 in our atmosphere or temperature........?

Can man ever hope to achieve such a thing....???

This is the futility of your argument that AGW is responsible for the warming of the Earth.


It's not about futility

It's about what rising CO2 levels will do to the thermal retention rates of the earth.

It's about what effects will occur to the various Eco systems on the earth as global temperatures rise.

It's about other non biological effects such as rising sea levels.

It's about acidification of the earths oceans.

And if Svante Arrhenius can do global warming calculations and predictions with limited data, in the year 1896, what possible excuse can anyone alive today have for ignoring AGW and its inevitable climatic catastrophes?

You really need to educate yourself about the simple facts and basic science that underpins AGW and climate change mitigation.

Galloping in here as an intellectually defenseless comic book character is embarrassing to witness.


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Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 10:18am:
Ajax wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 9:58am:
muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 5:04pm:
I'm not going to post it again. You find the post where I calculated the correlation coefficient.


Has there ever been a standard here on Earth for CO2 in our atmosphere or temperature........?

Can man ever hope to achieve such a thing....???

This is the futility of your argument that AGW is responsible for the warming of the Earth.


It's not about futility

It's about what rising CO2 levels will do to the thermal retention rates of the earth.

It's about what effects will occur to the various Eco systems on the earth as global temperatures rise.

It's about other non biological effects such as rising sea levels.

It's about acidification of the earths oceans.

And if Svante Arrhenius can do global warming calculations and predictions with limited data, in the year 1896, what possible excuse can anyone alive today have for ignoring AGW and its inevitable climatic catastrophes?

You really need to educate yourself about the simple facts and basic science that underpins AGW and climate change mitigation.

Galloping in here as an intellectually defenseless comic book character is embarrassing to witness.


http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf


You are acting as though the Earth has never experienced these things before.

We all know that it has, its not a first therefore plunging us all into the unknown.

Take a look at our history..........!!!!!!

Svante Arrhenius never had the benefit of hindsight.

Did he know that we have continuously gone through the process of higher and lower CO2 levels in our atmosphere from day dot.

What was his knowledge of the history with respect to CO2 levels in our atmosphere.....??!!
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Ajax,

The survival of the Earth is not in question. There is absolutely no doubt that 500 million years in the past, well-adapted lifeforms lived perfectly happy lives in a deep ocean under an atmosphere of 13% Oxygen and 4000 +/- 3000 ppm CO2 and with a relatively small land surface on which you could fry some  hypothetically anachronistic egg. 

All of this is really quite irrelevant to the enormous human tragedy that is about to unfold. 

Chimp - you can be very succinct at times.
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Reply #30 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 11:14pm
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 10:25am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 10:18am:
Ajax wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 9:58am:
muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 5:04pm:
I'm not going to post it again. You find the post where I calculated the correlation coefficient.


Has there ever been a standard here on Earth for CO2 in our atmosphere or temperature........?

Can man ever hope to achieve such a thing....???

This is the futility of your argument that AGW is responsible for the warming of the Earth.


It's not about futility

It's about what rising CO2 levels will do to the thermal retention rates of the earth.

It's about what effects will occur to the various Eco systems on the earth as global temperatures rise.

It's about other non biological effects such as rising sea levels.

It's about acidification of the earths oceans.

And if Svante Arrhenius can do global warming calculations and predictions with limited data, in the year 1896, what possible excuse can anyone alive today have for ignoring AGW and its inevitable climatic catastrophes?

You really need to educate yourself about the simple facts and basic science that underpins AGW and climate change mitigation.

Galloping in here as an intellectually defenseless comic book character is embarrassing to witness.


http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf


You are acting as though the Earth has never experienced these things before.

We all know that it has, its not a first therefore plunging us all into the unknown.

Take a look at our history..........!!!!!!

Svante Arrhenius never had the benefit of hindsight.

Did he know that we have continuously gone through the process of higher and lower CO2 levels in our atmosphere from day dot.

What was his knowledge of the history with respect to CO2 levels in our atmosphere.....??!!


Didn't you read the article?

What exactly is your argument - apart from conspiracy paranoia and an allegiance to right wing corporate fascism?

You are like a flat earth society member - a tokenistic dying species

Either place some evidence on the table and present some rational alternative reasons as to why the planet has been rapidly warming over the last few decades, or go away

I have very little time for clown puppet maggot freaks who carry wheel barrows full of deceptions and ignorance wherever they go

cheers
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Re: Hottest 12-month period confirmed
Reply #31 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:13am
 
Gentlemen please stop with the doomsday stuff about AGW.

Is Australia heating up......?

No she isn't........................!

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Are sea levels rising........?

Yes but not at the uncontrollable levels that the IPCC and other alarmist groups predict.

We are coming out of the mini ice age its only natural that temperatures, CO2 and sea levels do rise.

The melting of the arctic started about 200 hundred years ago and has nothing to do with man's CO2 emissions.

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Does CO2 & temperature correlate......?

No they don't and they never have in our history...!!

More than one third of all manmade CO2 emissions have been released into the atmosphere after the year 1998 and yet temperatures are dropping.

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No correlation between CO2 & Temperature

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Can the IPCC be trusted........??

No they cant.........................!!

They are a political body that presents science to the world, their science.

As the below chart shows they are quite happy to leave out facts to further their cause.

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Reply #32 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 1:09pm
 
How many of these Pacific Island Tide Guages were solidly anchored to living coral?
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Reply #33 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 5:57pm
 
When the El Nina returns, we'll all be drowned in torrential rains.
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Reply #34 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:05pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
When the El Nina returns, we'll all be drowned in torrential rains.

La Nina.
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Reply #35 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 8:28pm
 
muso wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 7:05pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
When the El Nina returns, we'll all be drowned in torrential rains.


La Nina.


Congratulations! You've spotted my Deliberate Mistake of the Day.

You've won for yourself a magnum of champagne, a box of fresh Beluga caviar, and an enormous freshly bought caught fish by freediver.

You LUCKY man!  Smiley




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Reply #36 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 10:41pm
 
Well I'm glad FD is having more luck fishing than I am. Wink
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Reply #37 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 8:21am
 
muso wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 10:41pm:
Well I'm glad FD is having more luck fishing than I am. Wink


FD is a frequent visitor and a known identity to the guys down at the Sydney Fish Markets.

They sell ... er ... buy a lot of fish off him at the weekends.  Roll Eyes
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