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Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:11pm
 
How would anyone feel - their friendly  pet dog murdered in it's own driveway?
This is an outrage.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1749179/police-shoot-and-kill-dog-at-wendoure...

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WENDOUREE residents are outraged today after the shooting of a pet bull mastiff dog by police at a house in Willow Grove.

Police said two members attended a Wendouree West property at 8.55am this morning to make inquiries in regards to an investigation.

WARNING: This story contains photos readers may find distressing

Ballarat North Sergeant Nathan Gardiner said the members went through the front gate and were half way up the Willow Grove driveway when the dog allegedly ran out the front door in a "threatening manner".

"A police member was forced to take protective action and fire one shot," Sergeant Gardiner said.

"The member was fearful of being attacked.

"Police are conducting an investigation into the circumstances in accordance with Victoria Police policy and reasonable force provisions."

Sergeant Gardiner said that offers were made to move the dog's body out of sight, but were declined.

A blood stain indicates the dog was halfway down the driveway when it was shot.

The dog's body has been viewed by The Courier and the bullet entered the back of its neck.

Jessica Williams, who lives across the road, was walking out of her front door to take her young children to school about 8.58am when the shooting occurred.

"I saw the coppers walk up and the dog hadn't even left the yard," Ms Williams said.

"They didn't say 'put the dog away' or anything. We just heard a bang and then we saw the dog just lying on the ground."
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Reply #1 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:56pm
 
The police have killed a member of someone's family.
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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 7:00pm
 
Dog attacks have been increasing in frequency lately and maybe one of the police were genuinely scared. Bull mastiffs also have a bit of a reputation for being aggressive and they're very large.

I suppose he could have waited to see whether the dog would bite him first before he shot - but policing is a dangerous job at times and he might have panicked.

I can understand how upset the owners were - but maybe they were drug dealers and used the dog to keep unwelcome visitors away.
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Reply #3 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 7:04pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
How would anyone feel - their friendly  pet dog murdered in it's own driveway?
This is an outrage.


If you owned a large aggressive dog - why would you let it out of the house or off the leash anyway unsupervised even if it's on your property. Was there a sign warning anyone?

What if a child had walked in the gate and got mauled - then the blame would be on the other foot.
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Reply #4 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:38pm
 
Mantra - read the link & stop making up stories.
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Reply #5 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm
 
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.
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ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:38pm:
Mantra - read the link & stop making up stories.


What do you mean - making up stories? My comments were plausible. The police walked in the gate - the dog ran out in a threatening manner - so the police shot it.

Should they have just waited until the dog bit them? That was a strong possibility.

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Ballarat North Sergeant Nathan Gardiner said the members went through the front gate and were half way up the Willow Grove driveway when the dog allegedly ran out the front door in a "threatening manner".
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.

Right. Get real, a Bull Mastiff defending its territory is a lethal killing machine regardless how it behaves to its owners. I have had direct experience with these types of dogs. they are very dangerous if they dont consider you part of their pack.
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Reply #9 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:58pm
 
Bull mastiff attack - the fifteen minutes of terror that ended Deeon Higgins' life
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bull-mastiff-attack-the-fifteen-minutes-of-terror-that-ended-deeon-higgins-life/story-fni0cx12-1226691719122

Tornado survivor killed after Bullmastiff attacks boy, 5
http://www.examiner.com/article/tornado-survivor-killed-after-bullmastiff-attacks-boy-5

Bullmastiff mauls woman to death
http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/10-12-2012/123103-bullmastiff-0/

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Reply #10 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:00pm
 
Come on guys - who hasn't had a dog bark at them?

The police were in the dog's driveway -
they were trespassing.
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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:14pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:00pm:
Come on guys - who hasn't had a dog bark at them?

The police were in the dog's driveway -
they were trespassing.


anybody is has to access the house, such as police, meter readers, sheriff etc, have a right to do so without being threatened by dogs. Dog should have been restricted to the back yard during the day. What if it was a girl guide selling cookies ???

The family always says the dog only ever licks you ... right up until the day they say  'I don't know why, he's never bitten anyone before'.
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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:20pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:14pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:00pm:
Come on guys - who hasn't had a dog bark at them?

The police were in the dog's driveway -
they were trespassing.


anybody is has to access the house, such as police, meter readers, sheriff etc, have a right to do so without being threatened by dogs. Dog should have been restricted to the back yard during the day. What if it was a girl guide selling cookies ???

The family always says the dog only ever licks you ... right up until the day they say  'I don't know why, he's never bitten anyone before'.



In the good old days you were allowed to have a big dog to deter burglars.
No one should be walking up your driveway without permission.
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:23pm
 
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Utter garbage.
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Reply #14 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:00pm:
Come on guys - who hasn't had a dog bark at them?

The police were in the dog's driveway -
they were trespassing.


The family might be considered by some people to be irresponsible. Most people don't like walking through a gate when there's a dog loose, but there was no warning - the dog just ran straight out of the house.

I've had big dogs before and would never let them out the front door unsupervised where they could quite easily attack someone. They had never bitten anyone - but there is always the first time.
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ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.

Right. Get real, a Bull Mastiff defending its territory is a lethal killing machine regardless how it behaves to its owners. I have had direct experience with these types of dogs. they are very dangerous if they dont consider you part of their pack.



And so have I.

Rotties, Pit-Bulls, Staffies, and a Dobermann.

And it ALL comes down to training and socialisation.

Responsible ownership, basically.

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.
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Reply #16 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:20pm:
In the good old days you were allowed to have a big dog to deter burglars.
No one should be walking up your driveway without permission.


How else were they supposed to speak to the homeowners? Call out from the front gate?

Dogs are still good burglar deterrants. Let them loose in the backyard in a safe enclosure - but during the day you expect to get the occasional visitor - so they should at least be restrained at the front of the house.
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Reply #17 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:33pm
 
mantra wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:00pm:
Come on guys - who hasn't had a dog bark at them?

The police were in the dog's driveway -
they were trespassing.


The family might be considered by some people to be irresponsible. Most people don't like walking through a gate when there's a dog loose, but there was no warning - the dog just ran straight out of the house.

I've had big dogs before and would never let them out the front door unsupervised where they could quite easily attack someone. They had never bitten anyone - but there is always the first time.



And what if by accident the dog did get out the front door &
barked at a policeman & then got killed for it?
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Reply #18 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:36pm
 
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:


Responsible ownership, basically.

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.
I talk about reality not some sort of utopian myth where everyone takes intelligent responsibility, which they dont and never will. The truth is that some dogs are bred to be guard dogs and are extremely territorial and will react viciously to anyone enroaching on their territory, its bred into them and nothing will change it. Dogs are also pack animals and must know that their place in the pack is below humans, most people dont know this and never will understand it. All those breeds you mention should be banned entirely, they are just ego dogs.
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Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.
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ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.



One of my friends had a Dobermann & it was a sooky bubba.   Grin
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:20pm:
In the good old days you were allowed to have a big dog to deter burglars.No one should be walking up your driveway without permission.


How do you get permission if you can't knock on the door? I'm not saying you can't have a guard dog, but you have to be responsible with a dog. Especially one that big that will scare everyone it runs at.
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ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.


rubbish . He will attack if you threaten him or his pack,  a well trained and socialised dog does not interpret someone walking up to the door as a threat.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:02pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.



One of my friends had a Dobermann & it was a sooky bubba.   Grin


I've had several ... absolutely the best dogs in my opinion.

My male was 50kg, he had a habit of sniffing peoples crotches.... because of his size everyone would panic and think he was about to bite their balls off. My bitch was a sweetie. Although like all women, she could be very temperamental.

Dobermans must be trained. Fail to train them properly and you are asking for trouble
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Reply #24 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:20pm:
In the good old days you were allowed to have a big dog to deter burglars.No one should be walking up your driveway without permission.


How do you get permission if you can't knock on the door? I'm not saying you can't have a guard dog, but you have to be responsible with a dog. Especially one that big that will scare everyone it runs at.



Good point - you need a fence with a buzzer or intercom unit at the gate.
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John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:02pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.



One of my friends had a Dobermann & it was a sooky bubba.   Grin


I've had several ... absolutely the best dogs in my opinion.

My male was 50kg, he had a habit of sniffing peoples crotches.... because of his size everyone would panic and think he was about to bite their balls off. My bitch was a sweetie. Although like all women, she could be very temperamental.

Dobermans must be trained. Fail to train them properly and you are asking for trouble



All dogs need to be trained & socialized with people & other dogs.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:20pm:
In the good old days you were allowed to have a big dog to deter burglars.No one should be walking up your driveway without permission.


How do you get permission if you can't knock on the door? I'm not saying you can't have a guard dog, but you have to be responsible with a dog. Especially one that big that will scare everyone it runs at.



Good point - you need a fence with a buzzer or intercom unit at the gate.


If you have that, you can let the dog out the front. My dog was restricted to the backyard by day, and only allowed in front at night.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:02pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.



One of my friends had a Dobermann & it was a sooky bubba.   Grin


I've had several ... absolutely the best dogs in my opinion.

My male was 50kg, he had a habit of sniffing peoples crotches.... because of his size everyone would panic and think he was about to bite their balls off. My bitch was a sweetie. Although like all women, she could be very temperamental.

Dobermans must be trained. Fail to train them properly and you are asking for trouble



All dogs need to be trained & socialized with people & other dogs.


it tends to not to be such a problem when its a Chihuahua
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John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:02pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.



One of my friends had a Dobermann & it was a sooky bubba.   Grin


I've had several ... absolutely the best dogs in my opinion.

My male was 50kg, he had a habit of sniffing peoples crotches.... because of his size everyone would panic and think he was about to bite their balls off. My bitch was a sweetie. Although like all women, she could be very temperamental.

Dobermans must be trained. Fail to train them properly and you are asking for trouble



All dogs need to be trained & socialized with people & other dogs.


it tends to not to be such a problem when its a Chihuahua


Golden Retrievers & Labradors are fine.
They are the only dogs allowed in schools with kids.
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Reply #29 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 11:07pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:09pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.

Oh yeah, and this bit is total cr@p. Any dog will attack when it feels threatened by a human it doesnt recognise as one of its pack.


rubbish . He will attack if you threaten him or his pack,  a well trained and socialised dog does not interpret someone walking up to the door as a threat.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about, if you understood one little bit about dog packs you wouldnt have made this stupid statement.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:23pm:
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Golden Retrievers & Labradors are fine.
They are the only dogs allowed in schools with kids.

ironically these are the breeds responsible for thw largest number of dog attacks. I need a shovel for all the BS in this thread.
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ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 11:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:23pm:
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Golden Retrievers & Labradors are fine.
They are the only dogs allowed in schools with kids.

ironically these are the breeds responsible for thw largest number of dog attacks. I need a shovel for all the BS in this thread.



I heard that on the radio many years ago from a vet in Melbourne.
What breed would you trust in a school with kids?
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Read this, you might learn something.


Training and aggression[edit source | editbeta]
In a domestic situation, canine aggression is normally suppressed. Exceptions are if the dog is trained to attack, feels threatened, or is provoked. It is important to remember that dogs are predators by nature, instinct is something that never completely disappears, and that predatory behavior against other animals (such as chasing other animals) may train a dog or a pack of dogs to attack humans. It is possible to acclimate a dog to common human situations in order to avoid adverse reactions by a pet. Dog experts advocate removal of a dog's food, startling a dog, and performing sudden movements in a controlled setting to teach the dog who its leader is, to defuse aggressive impulses in common situations. This also allows better animal care since owners may now remove an article directly from a dog's mouth or transport a wounded pet to seek medical attention.

Small children are especially prone to being misunderstood by dogs, in part because their size and movements can be similar to prey. Also, young children may unintentionally provoke a dog (pulling on ears or tails is common, as is surprising a sleeping dog) because of their inexperience. To avoid potential conflicts, even reliably well-behaved children and dogs should never be allowed to interact in the absence of an adult who knows and understands the dog's personality and trained cues.

Dogs with strong chase instincts, (e.g. collies, shepherds), may fail to recognize a person as a being not to be herded. They may fixate on a specific aspect of the person, such as a fast-moving, brightly colored shoe, as a prey object. This is probably the cause for the majority of non-aggressive dogs chasing cyclists and runners. In these cases, if the individual stops, the dog often loses interest since the movement has stopped. This is not always the case, and aggressive or territorial dogs might take the opportunity to attack.

Additionally, most dogs that bark at strangers, particularly when not on "their" territory, will flee if the stranger challenges it, though this is not recommended behaviour as challenging the dog is just as likely to evoke a bite. Mailmen, being the classic example, provoke a strong territorial response because they come back day after day to the dog's territory. In the dog's mind they are constantly intruding on their territory and that sets up a learned behavior.

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Unsupervised children[edit source | editbeta]
This is arguably the most critical factor in fatal dog attacks on children, who because of their small size are usually not able to withstand an attack until help arrives. Many adults survived severe dog attacks simply by virtue of the fact that they were able to sustain and fend the dogs off to some degree until assistance arrived, although the elderly are particularly vulnerable.

Children often engage in behavior that will trigger a dog attack. For example, approaching a chained dog, trying to hug or kiss an unfamiliar animal, trying to pull its tail or engaging in other behavior that the dog may feel is threatening. Behavior such as this on the part of children may invoke either an aggressive territorial response from the dog or an aggressive defensive behavior from the dog.

The age group with the second-highest amount of fatalities due to a dog attack are 2-year-old children. Over 88% of these fatalities occurred when the 2-year-old child was left unsupervised with a dog(s) or the child wandered off to the location of the dog.

Breed-specific attacks[edit source | editbeta]

Dog attacks on humans that appear most often in the news are those that require the hospitalization of the victim or those in which the victim is killed. Dogs of all sizes have mauled and killed humans, although large dogs are capable of inflicting more damage quickly.

When dogs are near humans with whom they are familiar, they normally become less aggressive. However, it should not be assumed that because a dog has been with humans, it will not attack anybody - even a family member. Caution needs to be taken when approaching new dogs for the first time.[9]

Due to the pit bull-type breeds' perceived aggression, owning such an animal is not allowed in Australia and many European countries, and in several US and Canadian localities (see breed-specific legislation for details).

It is sometimes argued that certain breeds are inherently aggressive towards humans and shouldn't be allowed at all, or that, due to the popularity of certain potentially dangerous breeds, these dogs are often owned by irresponsible owners who provide insufficient training or, worse, aggressiveness training. An opposing argument is that no breed is inherently aggressive towards humans and that regulating one breed simply moves the irresponsible owners to start focusing on breeds that haven't yet been regulated, moving the problem to other breeds. This is one of the positions taken by the American Veterinary Medical Association.[10]

Although research and analysis[1] suggests that breed-specific legislation is not completely effective in preventing dog attacks, with each new attack, pressure mounts to enact such legislation, despite indications[2] that dangerous dog legislation would be more effective—that is, focusing on specific individual dogs having exhibited signs of aggression.

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Golden Retrievers & Labradors are fine.
They are the only dogs allowed in schools with kids.

ironically these are the breeds responsible for thw largest number of dog attacks. I need a shovel for all the BS in this thread.



I heard that on the radio many years ago from a vet in Melbourne.
What breed would you trust in a school with kids?


he was probably referring to dogs specifically trained not to react to children yelling, pulling tails etc ... I wouldn't recommend letting any dog into a school yard unless under the strictest controls ...
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Maybe the vet was meaning that - I can't remember - it was so long ago.

He did specifically mention only Labs & Retrievers.
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In my personal experience I've found dogs with a bit of retriever in them very gentle, but I know of people who have been bailed up by them and scared out of their wits.

There are a lot of cattle dogs or crosses around and they can be extremely aggressive, but they tend to give one bite and that's enough for them.

Terriers are the worst, but of course you don't get mauled to death by a small one.

Pit bulls, mastiffs, rotweilers, dobermans, German shepherds and bull terriers would be worst.



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The dog sounds like a normal dog being territorial and protecting its patch. The owner should have ensured the dog was under control either by training or restricting its access to anybody who enters the property.
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In my personal experience I've found dogs with a bit of retriever in them very gentle, but I know of people who have been bailed up by them and scared out of their wits.

There are a lot of cattle dogs or crosses around and they can be extremely aggressive, but they tend to give one bite and that's enough for them.

Terriers are the worst, but of course you don't get mauled to death by a small one.

Pit bulls, mastiffs, rotweilers, dobermans, German shepherds and bull terriers would be worst.






Absolute rubbish.
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The dog sounds like a normal dog being territorial and protecting its patch. The owner should have ensured the dog was under control either by training or restricting its access to anybody who enters the property.



Yes it was just a normal dog that barked at an intruder -
& was killed by a trigger happy policeman.


Shame on the police.
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The dog sounds like a normal dog being territorial and protecting its patch. The owner should have ensured the dog was under control either by training or restricting its access to anybody who enters the property.



Yes it was just a normal dog that barked at an intruder -
& was killed by a trigger happy policeman.


Shame on the police.


he didn't just bark he was running at the cop ... would you wait to see if he bit you or licked you if you were in the cops shoes? The dog would weigh 60 - 70 kgs .... that's a big dog to be charging at you. I bet you would have either shot him as well, or turned and run away.
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viewpoint wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:31am:
The dog sounds like a normal dog being territorial and protecting its patch. The owner should have ensured the dog was under control either by training or restricting its access to anybody who enters the property.



Yes it was just a normal dog that barked at an intruder -
& was killed by a trigger happy policeman.


Shame on the police.


he didn't just bark he was running at the cop ... would you wait to see if he bit you or licked you if you were in the cops shoes? The dog would weigh 60 - 70 kgs .... that's a big dog to be charging at you. I bet you would have either shot him as well, or turned and run away.



I would have talked to it & said -

what a nice doggy.

It would then have wagged it's tail & we would have all been friends.
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I would have talked to it & said -

what a nice doggy.

It would then have wagged it's tail & we would have all been friends.



Haha. I'm not sure whether I believe you Bobby. Most people would instinctively freeze in fear. The dog would sense it and it's unpredictable as to what it's reaction might be.




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"police humanely destroy bred-to-kill beast."

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I second the notion:

Shame on these police


Heaven help anyone whose car backfired, or kid whos balloon popped in their vicinity - they'd be in the morgue, and half of ozpolitic will be defending the trigger-happy pussies who killed them.
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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:41am:
I second the notion:

Shame on these police


Heaven help anyone whose car backfired, or kid whos balloon popped in their vicinity - they'd be in the morgue, and half of ozpolitic will be defending the trigger-happy pussies who killed them.


How would you react if you had this animal running towards you in a menacing way?

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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:41am:
I second the notion:

Shame on these police


Heaven help anyone whose car backfired, or kid whos balloon popped in their vicinity - they'd be in the morgue, and half of ozpolitic will be defending the trigger-happy pussies who killed them.


How would you react if you had this animal running towards you in a menacing way?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i2YsR2_9XnM/UbiaKFQUlFI/AAAAAAAB1WU/biLXjhMoEWQ/s320/%...



That one right there?  Looks friendly to me - although  if you mean another, similar dog, I'd back off the 10 lousy metres to the fence. 

Someone so skittish that thei first reaction is to pull their gun and start shooting, has no business in the force, or carrying a weapon more powerful than a nerf dart gun.

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That one right there?  Looks friendly to me - although  if you mean another, similar dog, I'd back off the 10 lousy metres to the fence.

Someone so skittish that the first reaction is to pull their gun and start shooting, has no business in the force, or carrying a weapon more powerful than a nerf dart gun.


That particular dog does look friendly as long as you don't look at his eyes.

Do the police carry dart guns? Maybe a laser might have deterred the dog?


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When i worked in Melbourne (as a gardener) the dog catches on the council favored a .38 as their preferred method of capture.

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"police humanely destroy bred-to-kill beast."

well done coppers, thanks.


Shoot the dangerous animal, shoot it to kill
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:38am:
viewpoint wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:31am:
The dog sounds like a normal dog being territorial and protecting its patch. The owner should have ensured the dog was under control either by training or restricting its access to anybody who enters the property.



Yes it was just a normal dog that barked at an intruder -
& was killed by a trigger happy policeman.


Shame on the police.


he didn't just bark he was running at the cop ... would you wait to see if he bit you or licked you if you were in the cops shoes? The dog would weigh 60 - 70 kgs .... that's a big dog to be charging at you. I bet you would have either shot him as well, or turned and run away.


CONTROL either by training or restriction......the owner's responsibility. I would have protected myself as did the police officer.

Some people shouldn't have a dog.
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Come on people - you can't shoot someone's pet dog because it barked at you.

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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:53am:
That one right there?  Looks friendly to me - although  if you mean another, similar dog, I'd back off the 10 lousy metres to the fence.

Someone so skittish that the first reaction is to pull their gun and start shooting, has no business in the force, or carrying a weapon more powerful than a nerf dart gun.


That particular dog does look friendly as long as you don't look at his eyes.

Do the police carry dart guns? Maybe a laser might have deterred the dog?




Yes they carry a gun that shoots a lead dart, it's usually called a bullet. He used it. Not every police officer carries a Taser, and depending on the dog, shocking it with a Taser can increase the dog's drive from defence to fight which makes matters worse. Mastiffs are usually pretty easy going dogs, depending on how the owner has developed and conditioned it.

The owner should not be allowed to have a hamster let alone a big dog. The Officer could have indeed misread the dog's actions as aggressive when it may have been in fact bounding towards him in an effort to greet him, but who the hell is going to stand there and wait for a 100 plus kilo dog to arrive at your face intent on licking or eating you?
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Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.

Right. Get real, a Bull Mastiff defending its territory is a lethal killing machine regardless how it behaves to its owners. I have had direct experience with these types of dogs. they are very dangerous if they dont consider you part of their pack.



And so have I.

Rotties, Pit-Bulls, Staffies, and a Dobermann.

And it ALL comes down to training and socialisation.

Responsible ownership, basically.

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.


This is probably the most accurate post on this thread. However, WILL NOT is not an accurate phrase to use with any animal, it depends on circumstances as well as genetics.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:38am:
viewpoint wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:31am:
The dog sounds like a normal dog being territorial and protecting its patch. The owner should have ensured the dog was under control either by training or restricting its access to anybody who enters the property.



Yes it was just a normal dog that barked at an intruder -
& was killed by a trigger happy policeman.


Shame on the police.


he didn't just bark he was running at the cop ... would you wait to see if he bit you or licked you if you were in the cops shoes? The dog would weigh 60 - 70 kgs .... that's a big dog to be charging at you. I bet you would have either shot him as well, or turned and run away.


CONTROL either by training or restriction......the owner's responsibility. I would have protected myself as did the police officer.

Some people shouldn't have a dog.


He was under control - he was contained within the property.  Not sure how, let alone why, you'd train a dog to allow intruders in without a peep.
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Terming a police officer as an intruder is a crock, and you know it, so talk sense. And if the local candidate for whoever is canvassing that street, is that dog under control when said candidate wants to discuss the election with the householder, enters through the front gate which obviously wasn't locked, and this big dog rushes at him or her?

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An afternoon listening to your crap!



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An afternoon listening to your crap!



Don't read my threads then you wanker.


As I said, listening to your crap, as you now illustrate perfectly! Cheesy
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An afternoon listening to your crap!



Don't read my threads then you wanker.


As I said, listening to your crap, as you now illustrate perfectly! Cheesy



How can you listen to something that's written down?

Get off the cooking sherry would you.
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You go for it Einstein.......10 years solitary for a police officer defending himself. Oh yes and FYI a police officer is allowed to pursue an investigation by entering anybody's property, only in the case of searching the premises does he need a search warrant. He is also allowed to chase anybody across and in fact through your property without a warrant.

So, you are a total dill boobythepratt.... Grin Grin  Grin
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hahahahhaha

I reckon a long weekend and free tickets to an entertainment venue of his/her choosing.
At the expense of the dead dog owner.
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An afternoon listening to your crap!


hahahahhaha

I reckon a long weekend and free tickets to an entertainment venue of his/her choosing.
At the expense of the dead dog owner.



I think an acceptable punishment would be for the policeman
to be placed in the stocks & have rotten tomatoes thrown at him for 8 hours
by members of the public.


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You go for it Einstein.......10 years solitary for a police officer defending himself. Oh yes and FYI a police officer is allowed to pursue an investigation by entering anybody's property, only in the case of searching the premises does he need a search warrant. He is also allowed to chase anybody across and in fact through your property without a warrant.

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Got to hell viewpoint.
You wouldn't say that if your best friend - a pet dog
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Terming a police officer as an intruder is a crock, and you know it, so talk sense. And if the local candidate for whoever is canvassing that street, is that dog under control when said candidate wants to discuss the election with the householder, enters through the front gate which obviously wasn't locked, and this big dog rushes at him or her?

You talk rubbish!


Oh, so now we expect dogs to differentiate between police officers, local MP's and common people.

Yeh I talk rubbish.

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viewpoint wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 4:05pm:
You go for it Einstein.......10 years solitary for a police officer defending himself. Oh yes and FYI a police officer is allowed to pursue an investigation by entering anybody's property, only in the case of searching the premises does he need a search warrant. He is also allowed to chase anybody across and in fact through your property without a warrant.

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Got to hell viewpoint.
You wouldn't say that if your best friend - a pet dog
was murdered by a cowboy cop.


well bobby, your best friend may be a dog.
To real humans dogs are dogs.

And any dog that menaces any human should be killed.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
viewpoint wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 4:05pm:
You go for it Einstein.......10 years solitary for a police officer defending himself. Oh yes and FYI a police officer is allowed to pursue an investigation by entering anybody's property, only in the case of searching the premises does he need a search warrant. He is also allowed to chase anybody across and in fact through your property without a warrant.

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Got to hell viewpoint.
You wouldn't say that if your best friend - a pet dog
was murdered by a cowboy cop.


well bobby, your best friend may be a dog.
To real humans dogs are dogs.

And any dog that menaces any human should be killed.


Dear Sprint,
I feel sorry for you.
It's obvious that you've never owned a pet dog or cat.
They can truly be great friends - even better than people.

you are forgiven

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I have owned many pets.
I have nevber owned any friends.

there is a difference between a friend and a pet, as you infer.
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I have owned many pets.
I have nevber owned any friends.

there is a difference between a friend and a pet, as you infer.



When you've been at work all day a dog is so happy to see you when you arrive home.
It wags it's tail & wants to play.
It makes you happy just to see them.
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When you've been at work all day a dog is so happy to see you when you arrive home.
It wags it's tail & wants to play.
It makes you happy just to see them.
That is true love.

well, some of us dont have to tie a pork chop around our neck in order for our dogs to be happy to see us.
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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:07pm:
  Not sure how, let alone why, you'd train a dog to allow intruders in without a peep. 

Maybe because one reason is you would be legally liable if someone entered your backyard and your dog attacked them. And before you go down the inevitable path, the law allows you to legally evict, detain or otherwise resist someone entering your property illegally, it does not allow you to train an animal to becopme a vicious killing machine to make up for your own insecurities. 
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ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:44pm:
... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:07pm:
  Not sure how, let alone why, you'd train a dog to allow intruders in without a peep. 

Maybe because one reason is you would be legally liable if someone entered your backyard and your dog attacked them. And before you go down the inevitable path, the law allows you to legally evict, detain or otherwise resist someone entering your property illegally, it does not allow you to train an animal to becopme a vicious killing machine to make up for your own insecurities. 



Who said anything about training a dog to approach, or attack intruders - it's an instinct present in every dog alive.  It's the reason we domesticated them.
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Your question was why we would train dogs not to attack intruders, as I recall.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:18pm:
I have owned many pets.
I have nevber owned any friends.

there is a difference between a friend and a pet, as you infer.



When you've been at work all day a dog is so happy to see you when you arrive home.
It wags it's tail & wants to play.
It makes you happy just to see them.
That is true love.


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ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:53pm:
Your question was why we would train dogs not to attack intruders, as I recall.


First explain how you'll train out an inherent aspect of all canine behaviour, then we'll get to the why.

But I should take this opportunity to bring us back down to earth - nobody was attacked.  Well, except the poor dead dog.
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I have already done it, I have 2 dogs which will not attack a  human but simply give a warning bark if someone strange approaches the house and will not rush an intruder in the backyard but give warning barks.. We have always owned dogs and decided a long time ago that we diod not want to take the risk of owning a dog which would possibly bite or attack someone, even if they entered our property
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ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:59pm:
I have already done it, I have 2 dogs which will not attack a  human but simply give a warning bark if someone strange approaches the house and will not rush an intruder in the backyard but give warning barks.. We have always owned dogs and decided a long time ago that we diod not want to take the risk of owning a dog which would possibly bite or attack someone, even if they entered our property


Good for you.  However, I will draw your attention to my quote:

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Not sure how, let alone why, you'd train a dog to allow intruders in without a peep. 


Seeing as how this poor, dead dog didn't attack, yet was shot dead anyway, one wonders how your own dogs would fare, should they dare give a warning bark.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:18pm:
I have owned many pets.
I have nevber owned any friends.

there is a difference between a friend and a pet, as you infer.



When you've been at work all day a dog is so happy to see you when you arrive home.
It wags it's tail & wants to play.
It makes you happy just to see them.
That is true love.


hahahhahahaha



Hi Sprint - what did your dog do - run a way?
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Seeing as how this poor, dead dog didn't attack, yet was shot dead anyway, one wonders how your own dogs would fare, should they dare give a warning bark.
Not what the article states. so if you have a different version of events I would like to see it.
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ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:16pm:
... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:06pm:
Seeing as how this poor, dead dog didn't attack, yet was shot dead anyway, one wonders how your own dogs would fare, should they dare give a warning bark.
Not what the article states. so if you have a different version of events I would like to see it.


Ah the article states:

Quote:
"The member was fearful of being attacked.


Fearful of being attacked eh...I take it that's not the same as actually being attacked.  Am I right?

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Fearful of being attacked eh...I take it that's not the same as actually being attacked.  Am I right?

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Fearful of being attacked eh...I take it that's not the same as actually being attacked.  Am I right?

correct.


So....no attack, but shot dead anyway.

Sounds fair. Wouldn't want our brave coppers to be fearful at all, would we? 
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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Fearful of being attacked eh...I take it that's not the same as actually being attacked.  Am I right?

correct.


menacing a human is 1 second off attacking one.

shoot the dog
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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:24pm:
ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:21pm:
... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Fearful of being attacked eh...I take it that's not the same as actually being attacked.  Am I right?

correct.


So....no attack, but shot dead anyway.

Sounds fair. Wouldn't want our brave coppers to be fearful at all, would we? 



Not only that - the dog was shot in the back of the neck
in such a way that it must have been running away from the cop.

The cop needs to be punished.
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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:24pm:
ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:21pm:
... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Fearful of being attacked eh...I take it that's not the same as actually being attacked.  Am I right?

correct.


So....no attack, but shot dead anyway.

Sounds fair. Wouldn't want our brave coppers to be fearful at all, would we? 

ever been a first responder? Its easy to be critical of people who have to make decisons like this in an instant. i can tell you having been there a number of times that i trust the judgement of this police officer. he did exactly what he was trained to do. he evaluated the threat and reacted accordingly. some people would have stood there screaming hysterically, do you think that would have had a better outcome?
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Not only that - the dog was shot in the back of the neck
in such a way that it must have been running away from the cop.

The cop needs to be punished.
BS you just made that up.
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ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:32pm:

Not only that - the dog was shot in the back of the neck
in such a way that it must have been running away from the cop.

The cop needs to be punished.
BS you just made that up.



http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1749179/police-shoot-and-kill-dog-at-wendoure...

apologise to me.


Quote:
A blood stain indicates the dog was halfway down the driveway when it was shot.

The dog's body has been viewed by The Courier and the bullet entered the back of its neck.
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there is nothing in this to show the dog was running away and it is extremley plausible if not probable the dog was shot in the back of the neck as it was approaching the police officer, so you lied. i think you should apologise for lying.
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ian wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:53pm:
there is nothing in this to show the dog was running away and it is extremley plausible if not probable the dog was shot in the back of the neck as it was approaching the police officer, so you lied. i think you should apologise for lying.



Let's save our apologies for the result of the investigation.
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I found the proof:


http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/police-shoot-and-kill-dog-in-driv...


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Renee Fraser, daughter of the dog's owner was at home at the time and says the dog was walking away from officers when it was shot in the back of the head.

"The police were standing outside our front gate, they said they were going to discharge their firearm and they shot him in the back of the head," Renee said, fighting back tears.

"The dog had his back turned to them and he was shot in the back of the head.  I don't understand it.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:11am:
I found the proof:


http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/police-shoot-and-kill-dog-in-driv...


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Renee Fraser, daughter of the dog's owner was at home at the time and says the dog was walking away from officers when it was shot in the back of the head.

"The police were standing outside our front gate, they said they were going to discharge their firearm and they shot him in the back of the head," Renee said, fighting back tears.

"The dog had his back turned to them and he was shot in the back of the head.  I don't understand it.



Also - listen to an eye witness:

http://www.3aw.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&url=http://media.mytalk.c...

This confirms that the dog was walking away from the police
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you don't understnd it bobby.

It was a dog.
Now it's dead.

get it ?
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:40am:
you don't understnd it bobby.

It was a dog.
Now it's dead.

get it ?



It wasn't just a dog - it was a beloved member of a family.
That's why it's murder.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:51am:
It wasn't just a dog - it was a beloved member of a family.
That's why it's murder


Sometimes these things just happen. I lost a pet in an unfair way too and it was a sad time. Unfortunately with so many dog attacks being reported people don't want to take the risk of being harmed.

Humans often die because someone has made a mistake and there can be inquests - but ultimately there is no punishment.

The police weren't being malicious. They panicked. The owners weren't being responsible.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:51am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:40am:
you don't understnd it bobby.

It was a dog.
Now it's dead.

get it ?



It wasn't just a dog - it was a beloved member of a family.
That's why it's murder.


I read,  notice I am not being literal, emphasised so boobythepratt isn't too confused, that many here seem to be somewhat anthropomorphic in their attitude to their pets, and I also see statements about inherent canine behaviour being to attack/bite people, which is a load of rubbish.  Dogs can be territorial because they have been conditioned to protect their patch by being aggressive, natural marking/pissing or crapping on the perimeter of their territory is a dog's natural "inherent canine behaviour" to indicate to other dogs that this is my patch. To think that a Police Officer would have anything to gain by shooting a dog for no reason is ridiculous; not only does he have to explain in detail why he discharged his weapon, he also has to do the same in regard to why he shot the dog.

A dog is an animal, not a member of the family, it is a pet,property guard, or other working animal therefore to treat it as anything else is being anthropomorphic. I am a dog lover, Ok I'll explain for booby's benefit in case he thinks the worst, I like dogs, in fact I worked with them for eight hours a day, and can thank them for saving my bacon on a number of occasions and for saving a number of people from the effects of narcotics which didn't make it to the streets because of dogs.

The media and people like boobythepratt are whinging nutters who jump on any excuse to demonise the police probably because they have had dealings with them in some form or another?
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mantra wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:51am:
It wasn't just a dog - it was a beloved member of a family.
That's why it's murder


Sometimes these things just happen. I lost a pet in an unfair way too and it was a sad time. Unfortunately with so many dog attacks being reported people don't want to take the risk of being harmed.

Humans often die because someone has made a mistake and there can be inquests - but ultimately there is no punishment.

The police weren't being malicious. They panicked. The owners weren't being responsible.



The police were being reckless.
They could have used capsicum spray &
the dog was walking away from the cops when it was shot.

Look at the posts & listen to the audio above.
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viewpoint wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:51am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:40am:
you don't understnd it bobby.

It was a dog.
Now it's dead.

get it ?



It wasn't just a dog - it was a beloved member of a family.
That's why it's murder.


I read,  notice I am not being literal, emphasised so boobythepratt isn't too confused, that many here seem to be somewhat anthropomorphic in their attitude to their pets, and I also see statements about inherent canine behaviour being to attack/bite people, which is a load of rubbish.  Dogs can be territorial because they have been conditioned to protect their patch by being aggressive, natural marking/pissing or crapping on the perimeter of their territory is a dog's natural "inherent canine behaviour" to indicate to other dogs that this is my patch. To think that a Police Officer would have anything to gain by shooting a dog for no reason is ridiculous; not only does he have to explain in detail why he discharged his weapon, he also has to do the same in regard to why he shot the dog.

A dog is an animal, not a member of the family, it is a pet,property guard, or other working animal therefore to treat it as anything else is being anthropomorphic. I am a dog lover, Ok I'll explain for booby's benefit in case he thinks the worst, I like dogs, in fact I worked with them for eight hours a day, and can thank them for saving my bacon on a number of occasions and for saving a number of people from the effects of narcotics which didn't make it to the streets because of dogs.

The media and people like boobythepratt are whinging nutters who jump on any excuse to demonise the police probably because they have had dealings with them in some form or another?



I have nothing against police -
they have an awful job to do & deal with worst scum in our society.
However there are a number of cowboys amongst them who just shouldn't be there.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:11am:
I found the proof:


http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/police-shoot-and-kill-dog-in-driv...


Quote:
Renee Fraser, daughter of the dog's owner was at home at the time and says the dog was walking away from officers when it was shot in the back of the head.

"The police were standing outside our front gate, they said they were going to discharge their firearm and they shot him in the back of the head," Renee said, fighting back tears.

"The dog had his back turned to them and he was shot in the back of the head.  I don't understand it.



Also - listen to an eye witness:

http://www.3aw.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&url=http://media.mytalk.c...

This confirms that the dog was walking away from the police
when it was killed.
\i would beleive a serving police officer involved in the incident before I would beleive an emotional statement from someone who might or might not have seen what happened. The fact that you dont does not give your claim any credence, just the opposite.
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ian wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:47am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:11am:
I found the proof:


http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/police-shoot-and-kill-dog-in-driv...


Quote:
Renee Fraser, daughter of the dog's owner was at home at the time and says the dog was walking away from officers when it was shot in the back of the head.

"The police were standing outside our front gate, they said they were going to discharge their firearm and they shot him in the back of the head," Renee said, fighting back tears.

"The dog had his back turned to them and he was shot in the back of the head.  I don't understand it.



Also - listen to an eye witness:

http://www.3aw.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&url=http://media.mytalk.c...

This confirms that the dog was walking away from the police
when it was killed.
\i would beleive a serving police officer involved in the incident before I would beleive an emotional statement from someone who might or might not have seen what happened. The fact that you dont does not give your claim any credence, just the opposite.



The women in the audio clip was an EYE WITNESS.


That dog was not attacking the police.
It was walking away when shot.

The case cannot be clearer.
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ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.


Hi  ..  no Bull Mastiffs are not recognised in the list of banned dogs where I live,  and are not in the top 10 list of breeds known to attack..

More likely you'll be bitten by a cattle dog, a staffy X,  a foxy or Jack Russell..  or even a Labrador ..
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Reply #100 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:29pm
 
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.

Right. Get real, a Bull Mastiff defending its territory is a lethal killing machine regardless how it behaves to its owners. I have had direct experience with these types of dogs. they are very dangerous if they dont consider you part of their pack.



And so have I.

Rotties, Pit-Bulls, Staffies, and a Dobermann.

And it ALL comes down to training and socialisation.

Responsible ownership, basically.

A dog that's properly trained and socialised WILL NOT ATTACK.


KAT has the truth of it.
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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:41am:
I second the notion:

Shame on these police


Heaven help anyone whose car backfired, or kid whos balloon popped in their vicinity - they'd be in the morgue, and half of ozpolitic will be defending the trigger-happy pussies who killed them.


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Emma wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:49pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.


Hi  ..  no Bull Mastiffs are not recognised in the list of banned dogs where I live,  and are not in the top 10 list of breeds known to attack..

More likely you'll be bitten by a cattle dog, a staffy X,  a foxy or Jack Russell..  or even a Labrador ..



Labradors seldom bite - they are gentle natured.
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[quote author=ian link=1378278697/32#32 date=1378300724]Read this, you might learn something.


Training and aggression[edit source | editbeta]
In a domestic situation, canine aggression is normally suppressed. Exceptions are if the dog is trained to attack, feels threatened, or is provoked. It is important to remember that dogs are predators by nature, instinct is something that never completely disappears, and that predatory behavior against other animals (such as chasing other animals) may train a dog or a pack of dogs to attack humans. It is possible to acclimate a dog to common human situations in order to avoid adverse reactions by a pet. Dog experts advocate removal of a dog's food, startling a dog, and performing sudden movements in a controlled setting to teach the dog who its leader is, to defuse aggressive impulses in common situations. This also allows better animal care since owners may now remove an article directly from a dog's mouth or transport a wounded pet to seek medical attention.

Small children are especially prone to being misunderstood by dogs, in part because their size and movements can be similar to prey. Also, young children may unintentionally provoke a dog (pulling on ears or tails is common, as is surprising a sleeping dog) because of their inexperience. To avoid potential conflicts, even reliably well-behaved children and dogs should never be allowed to interact in the absence of an adult who knows and understands the dog's personality and trained cues.

Dogs with strong chase instincts, (e.g. collies, shepherds), may fail to recognize a person as a being not to be herded. They may fixate on a specific aspect of the person, such as a fast-moving, brightly colored shoe, as a prey object. This is probably the cause for the majority of non-aggressive dogs chasing cyclists and runners. In these cases, if the individual stops, the dog often loses interest since the movement has stopped. This is not always the case, and aggressive or territorial dogs might take the opportunity to attack.

Additionally, most dogs that bark at strangers, particularly when not on "their" territory, will flee if the stranger challenges it, though this is not recommended behaviour as challenging the dog is just as likely to evoke a bite. Mailmen, being the classic example, provoke a strong territorial response because they come back day after day to the dog's territory. In the dog's mind they are constantly intruding on their territory and that sets up a learned behavior.

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Unsupervised children[edit source | editbeta]
This is arguably the most critical factor in fatal dog attacks on children, who because of their small size are usually not able to withstand an attack until help arrives. Many adults survived severe dog attacks simply by virtue of the fact that they were able to sustain and fend the dogs off to some degree until assistance arrived, although the elderly are particularly vulnerable.

Children often engage in behavior that will trigger a dog attack. For example, approaching a chained dog, trying to hug or kiss an unfamiliar animal, trying to pull its tail or engaging in other behavior that the dog may feel is threatening. Behavior such as this on the part of children may invoke either an aggressive territorial response from the dog or an aggressive defensive behavior from the dog.

The age group with the second-highest amount of fatalities due to a dog attack are 2-year-old children. Over 88% of these fatalities occurred when the 2-year-old child was left unsupervised with a dog(s) or the child wandered off to the location of the dog.

Breed-specific attacks[edit source | editbeta]

Dog attacks on humans that appear most often in the news are those that require the hospitalization of the victim or those in which the victim is killed. Dogs of all sizes have mauled and killed humans, although large dogs are capable of inflicting more damage quickly.

When dogs are near humans with whom they are familiar, they normally become less aggressive. However, it should not be assumed that because a dog has been with humans, it will not attack anybody - even a family member. Caution needs to be taken when approaching new dogs for the first time.[9]

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It is sometimes argued that certain breeds are inherently aggressive towards humans and shouldn't be allowed at all, or that, due to the popularity of certain potentially dangerous breeds, these dogs are often owned by irresponsible owners who provide insufficient training or, worse, aggressiveness training. An opposing argument is that no breed is inherently aggressive towards humans and that regulating one breed simply moves the irresponsible owners to start focusing on breeds that haven't yet been regulated, moving the problem to other breeds. This is one of the positions taken by the American Veterinary Medical Association.[10]

Although research and analysis[1] suggests that breed-specific legislation is not completely effective in preventing dog attacks, with each new attack, pressure mounts to enact such legislation, despite indications[2] that dangerous dog legislation would be more effective—that is, focusing on specific individual dogs having exhibited signs of aggression.

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... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:54pm:
viewpoint wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Terming a police officer as an intruder is a crock, and you know it, so talk sense. And if the local candidate for whoever is canvassing that street, is that dog under control when said candidate wants to discuss the election with the householder, enters through the front gate which obviously wasn't locked, and this big dog rushes at him or her?

You talk rubbish!


Oh, so now we expect dogs to differentiate between police officers, local MP's and common people.

Yeh I talk rubbish.



I was going to remark the same.  Smiley

As for what would I do..??  if that large dog was running towards me... on what appears to be public property.. ??

I'd have a quick look around to see what it was after,  and get out of the way..  Grin
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[quote............
I have nothing against police -
they have an awful job to do & deal with worst scum in our society.
However there are a number of cowboys amongst them who just shouldn't be there.
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THAT is one of the understatements of the year.
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Reply #106 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 11:23pm
 
mantra wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:49am:
... wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:41am:
I second the notion:

Shame on these police


Heaven help anyone whose car backfired, or kid whos balloon popped in their vicinity - they'd be in the morgue, and half of ozpolitic will be defending the trigger-happy pussies who killed them.


How would you react if you had this animal running towards you in a menacing way?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i2YsR2_9XnM/UbiaKFQUlFI/AAAAAAAB1WU/biLXjhMoEWQ/s320/%...


like I said.. I'd take quick look around.. to see what it was after.. its owner perhaps..??  get out of the way.. and wonder.. where IS THE OWNER. ???
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Reply #107 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 11:29pm
 
Emma wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 11:15pm:
[quote............
I have nothing against police -
they have an awful job to do & deal with worst scum in our society.
However there are a number of cowboys amongst them who just shouldn't be there.


THAT is one of the understatements of the year. [/quote]



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2nd thoughts.. it doesn't appear to be a public area/... 

so ?? if I was arriving unannounced at such a property,,..

I would be foolish in the extreme to enter said property.
( I myself  Smiley have a sign on my gate ..BEWARE THE DOG.)

If I were a pollie spruiker... a saleperson,  or a crook  I'd go somewhere else. At least that would display some intelligence.

Only the most arrogant or stupid of people would just walk in, and... being warned .. they do so at their own risk. 
.....................................................
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If I had to speak to the property owners I would endeavour to contact the human occupants BEFORE entering... I would not do so otherwise.

if I were POLICE..  ?? a harder question... 
but presumably they would declare themselves,  and explain to the occupants why they are at the door...  or  Gate,, as the case may be. 
Serve a warrant.. execute a search..?..

anyhow

perhaps I'll check out Bobby's links.. 

I am just speaking for myself here...

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Reply #109 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 11:59pm
 
very very sad for the people.. the dog is past caring. 
Seems it was not a threat...
just a dog doing it's job...

the usual  BS from the cops..

these coppers.. bet they were young c8nts ..uniforms..with dark glasses..weapons,, and the wrong attitude.
And scared sh#tless ..not a clue between them... 

You DO know what I mean...

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Reply #110 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 12:35am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 5:01pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 4:17pm:
viewpoint wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 3:36pm:
What would be a suitable punishment for the cop who killed the dog?


An afternoon listening to your crap!


hahahahhaha

I reckon a long weekend and free tickets to an entertainment venue of his/her choosing.
At the expense of the dead dog owner.



I think an acceptable punishment would be for the policeman
to be placed in the stocks & have rotten tomatoes thrown at him for 8 hours
by members of the public.




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Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:52am:


The women in the audio clip was an EYE WITNESS.


That dog was not attacking the police.
It was walking away when shot.

The case cannot be clearer.

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially when they are emotionally invested. I beleive the copper. hes trained, he wouldnt have shot unles she felt he had to.
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Emma wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:49pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Read the link - it was a pet that only licked people.


Hi  ..  no Bull Mastiffs are not recognised in the list of banned dogs where I live,  and are not in the top 10 list of breeds known to attack..

More likely you'll be bitten by a cattle dog, a staffy X,  a foxy or Jack Russell..  or even a Labrador ..

means nothing, how many of these breeds have actually mauled people to death as have Bull Mastiffs.
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Reply #113 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 1:03am
 
ian wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 12:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:52am:


The women in the audio clip was an EYE WITNESS.


That dog was not attacking the police.
It was walking away when shot.

The case cannot be clearer.

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially when they are emotionally invested. I beleive the copper. hes trained, he wouldnt have shot unles she felt he had to.



Ian - did you actually listen to the eye witness?

the link is here again:

http://www.3aw.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&url=http://media.mytalk.c...
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ian wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 12:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 7:52am:


The women in the audio clip was an EYE WITNESS.


That dog was not attacking the police.
It was walking away when shot.

The case cannot be clearer.

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially when they are emotionally invested. I beleive the copper. hes trained, he wouldnt have shot unles she felt he had to.


talk about emotionally invested..!! 

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true emma, you are one of the most hysterical emotional posters on this forum. if you look up "drama queen" in the dictonary, its got your name next to it.
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Tongue
dilligaf

I speak from my OWN experience.. no aspersions cast by YOU have any grounding in fact,  they only reflect and display the fantasies  held in your mind. Smiley

I find males often exclaim and decry  my 'emotional' input.. or output,, if you like....
whilst releasing their own  ... at me.
Now.. that doesn't bother me.

Hey.. worse things happen at sea, as my dearest departed Mum would say.

It is your singularly self-orientated dramafest.. Ian , that is truly amusing. 
Guess you will just never get it.
Like so many other subtleties...men like you can only attempt to heap  belittlement and scorn on the person they are unhappy with..

More is the pity... for everyone.!
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Shoot more dogs
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Emma wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 3:01am:
Tongue
dilligaf

I speak from my OWN experience.. no aspersions cast by YOU have any grounding in fact,  they only reflect and display the fantasies  held in your mind. Smiley

I find males often exclaim and decry  my 'emotional' input.. or output,, if you like....
whilst releasing their own  ... at me.
Now.. that doesn't bother me.

Hey.. worse things happen at sea, as my dearest departed Mum would say.

It is your singularly self-orientated dramafest.. Ian , that is truly amusing. 
Guess you will just never get it.
Like so many other subtleties...men like you can only attempt to heap  belittlement and scorn on the person they are unhappy with..

More is the pity... for everyone.!

I see, cant get a bloke eh?
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Reply #119 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 11:29am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 4:02am:
Shoot more dogs


Sprint - stop being a troll.

How could you shoot a family pet?

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 11:29am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 4:02am:
Shoot more dogs


Sprint - stop being a troll.

How could you shoot a family pet?




take aim, pull the trigger.
alternately, throw it some 'bad' food. rat poison.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 11:32am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 11:29am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 4:02am:
Shoot more dogs


Sprint - stop being a troll.

How could you shoot a family pet?




take aim, pull the trigger.
alternately, throw it some 'bad' food. rat poison.




TROLL
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garrotting dogs is quieter than shooting.

nicer for the neighbourhood.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 11:52am:
garrotting dogs is quieter than shooting.

nicer for the neighbourhood.



Sprint - I should report you for being a troll -

but I won't.

You are forgiven

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Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:23pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Utter garbage.

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ian wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 1:02pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:23pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Utter garbage.




there are a few breeds of dog who should be banned.
Some area do ban them
insecure people own such dogs.

bobby - don't try to shove your dog loving nonsense down my throat.
Quite a few dogs should be killed asap.
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I'm going to say something.. Sprint...
..should
substitute humans for dogs in your final sentence.

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 2:01pm:
ian wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 1:02pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:23pm:
ian wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Bull Mastiffs can be extremely vicious and they are one of the most dangerous breeds due to their agressiveness and size. There have been a number of cases where people have been mauled to death by Bull Mastiffs. There is absolutely no need for anyone to own a dog like this except as a sop tp their own ego. I wouldnt have hesitated either.



Utter garbage.




there are a few breeds of dog who should be banned.
Some area do ban them
insecure people own such dogs.

bobby - don't try to shove your dog loving nonsense down my throat.
Quite a few dogs should be killed asap.



Sprint has a hatred for animals -

he is forgiven

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Reply #128 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 7:55pm
 
Some people just aren't that interested in dogs. If they were - we wouldn't be putting down half a million or so each year.

I believe a pet is for life. As dog attacks seem to be on the increase I think we should be more discerning about the type of dog we have as a pet. It's not all about how it's raised. Some dogs have been subject to horrific abuse and they still remain friendly - others have been coddled and trained, but can still make an unpredictable attack.

It is often the DNA in a dog that creates certain behaviour.

We should look at the scenario that if our dog attacked someone - how much damage would they inflict? Will their jaws lock or will it just be a nip or a sharp bite when it's under stress and could they kill a child?
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Reply #129 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 8:09pm
 
well I don't know about that mantra  ... '

ook at the scenario where...?  ' 

That is ..  an 'after the horse has bolted'..'after the child is bitten' scenario.

I believe in prevention,  not mopping up afterwards.

HEY.. it is a serious responsibility to own a large dog... it isn't  EASY... 
and there are many times too many feral humans who laugh at the thought... until it gets shoved in their faces..  I 've had my share of neighbourhood dispute over dogs.. 

Lots of PEOPLE should be banned from owning dogs.   of any size.
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Emma wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 8:09pm:
HEY.. it is a serious responsibility to own a large dog... it isn't  EASY...
and there are many times too many feral humans who laugh at the thought... until it gets shoved in their faces..  I 've had my share of neighbourhood dispute over dogs.. 


I've had disputes too. I had the most beautiful belgian shepherd cross mountain dog. He was enormous, but he was under my control all the time. If I went out - he stayed inside.

A lot of people were terrified of him and he could come across as very aggressive, but he never bit anyone thank goodness.

Still I had a few complaints and never left him alone in the backyard at night in case someone poisoned him.
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my current dog is a Belgian Shep...  a Malinois..

got her as a mature dog from AWL ...  she has her ways..  Smiley  but an excellent dog..  had a hard time prev.  I think.  Sad
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Emma wrote on Sep 7th, 2013 at 9:50pm:
my current dog is a Belgian Shep...  a Malinois..

got her as a mature dog from AWL ...  she has her ways..  Smiley  but an excellent dog..  had a hard time prev.  I think.  Sad



The Malinois is a sleek looking dog. Mine was black with a long coat.

I couldn't take on a mature dog. It would be difficult to predict it's nature if you didn't know it's background, but I admire people who do adopt them - otherwise they'd end up euthanised.
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it wasn't an easy decision... there were other dogs.. other pounds.. I didn't want another puppy..   I didn't choose a dog the first visit.. (to 3 different Pounds) 
but  there was something about her...  when I left the area the first time.. she was in a doggy paddock..  her ears drooped.
(SHE was considered a good dog by the animal welfare people.. she had been there 40 days  already.. she was micro-chipped.. but they said they'd had no response to their contact efforts.)

She is the sweetest,  but fiercest .. she has been abused.. she cannot handle any type of caring attention.. eg.. giving her her medicine monthly is a trauma for her..  trying to check her feet, when she seems to be limping.. is a trauma... 
she does trust me to check her ears...  now.. just..
it is  ... sad.. but   
I do not regret the decision.. I can tell a lot from her behaviour, about her background...

and I know she is better here with me.   Smiley 

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Emma wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:58am:
She is the sweetest,  but fiercest .. she has been abused.. she cannot handle any type of caring attention.. eg.. giving her her medicine monthly is a trauma for her..  trying to check her feet, when she seems to be limping.. is a trauma...
she does trust me to check her ears...  now.. just..
it is  ... sad.. but   
I do not regret the decision.. I can tell a lot from her behaviour, about her background...



Administering medication can be problematic no matter what the animal's background.

If she trusts you then you've made progress Emma. Dogs who have been traumatised appear to recover more quickly when they're in a home with undivided attention and no distractions like noisy children or other pets.

Still there is a risk, but you seem to be managing her well. That's a nice story.
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thanks Mantra..

my main issue is 'feeding' her.  She is absolutely a "HOOVER"  .. she sucks up her bickies like they are water...
she is desperate any time the smell of food reaches her nostrils,, and she has fine nostrils.  Smiley
She IS respectful tho.... I can let her stay in the car ,  with shopping, and food,  including bones  and meats,  and she has never  once abused my trust. !  Smiley

She also will not leave my property... even If i walk out and leave it open... she waits behind the line,  until I motion her to either stay or come out.. 

well-trained.. absolutely...  and 2nd issue is learning her cues... 


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She sounds like a good dog Emma. She probably had irregular feeds from her previous owner. I've always had the opposite problem with my dogs - fussy appetites. All of them hated dog food and preferred their food fresh and cooked which was a nuisance a lot of the time.
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Reply #137 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:01pm
 
ahhhhhhhhhhh  my friend.. I suspect you feed them too much.

My girl is FAT... overweight... by at least 6-10 kgs.. 

I find it very hard to refuse to give her food ... when she begs for it.  Sad

I want her to be happy.. and food makes her happy.  She isn't GROSSLY  over.. and  all I give her  is..  umm

a.m.  a beef brisket bone...
..some of my morning toast..  and err leftovers..    

p.m    I cup of Supercoat Mature Bickies..  and  a  bone  .. and  my dinner left- overs..   Roll Eyes

she is ever on the hunt.
Bless her..   Smiley
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Reply #138 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:18pm
 
Emma ,
buy your dog some proper food.

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Reply #139 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:31pm
 
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Reply #140 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:40pm
 
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ahhhhhhhhhhh  my friend.. I suspect you feed them too much.


I've never overfed my dogs, they just liked fresh food. Sometimes they would go for a couple of days without eating and just ignore their dinner.

I minded a friend's dog for a few months and it was the greediest thing I'd ever encountered. He would snarl at the other dogs and not let them get near their food. By the time he left my house - he was fat, because he'd steal food off the table, out of your hands and probably your mouth if he had the chance. If I wasn't supervising him he would eat 4 or 5 meals at a sitting simply by scaring the cats and dogs away from their meals.

It is hard to ignore an animal if it begs for food, but I've only encountered it with strays and other people's animals.
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Reply #141 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 9:35pm
 
yes well she was a stray...

when I took her she was thin...

the AWL said they'd been recommended to keep her on a bickie-only diet.. no raw meat or bones..

because

she was an aggressive dog over food and,
possessive of toys...

both of which was/is the case.
She is a fellow being who needs my attention and care.. I do my best,...   Smiley
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Reply #142 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:02am
 
Emma wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:31pm:
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Reply #143 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:56pm:
The police have killed a member of someone's family.

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Reply #144 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:53pm
 
Either, 1. the door was unclipped or, 2. it was a deliberate strategy of owner to involve dog, or, least of possibilities, 3. owner didn't see any problem of dog greeting police because it is a friendly Mastiff.  I believe No. 2 suggestion. contar wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:56pm:
The police have killed a member of someone's family.


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Reply #145 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 8:29pm
 
contar wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:53pm:
Either, 1. the door was unclipped or, 2. it was a deliberate strategy of owner to involve dog, or, least of possibilities, 3. owner didn't see any problem of dog greeting police because it is a friendly Mastiff.  I believe No. 2 suggestion. contar wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:56pm:
The police have killed a member of someone's family.





What is your point of contention?
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