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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #75 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 2:35pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

I was very disappointed in Rudd because most genuine Christians don't let politics get in the way of their religious beliefs or actions. The parliamentary Christian Fellowship is an example. But for Rudd, everything is about him and his wishes and his promotion. And you are right quantum. His understanding of the Gospel has shown that his understanding of the basic tenet of the Bible is flawed and very poor. I don't think he has the slightest clue.

Yes, he really got this one wrong. I know for a lot of non Christians his answer was good, and that in fine and understandable. If you are not a Christian the bible is surely irrelevant so who cares if his answers fit with it. But I'm sure many Christians picked up on the fact that he essentially took Christ out of Christian in a response to a question as to why Christians can trust him. For someone like him who confesses to be a Christian (plus as a politician in an election week of a nation that has millions of Christians), that was madness. Yes polictians should not let their beliefs get in the way of politics, but as you said, he has let politics get in the way of his own beliefs. Very disappointing.

I think that that is possibly the worst indictment on his character. I've said in the past that Rudd doesn't believe in anything other than himself. Now, I suspect that may in fact be literally true.

But you yourself have used christanity as a reason for opposing same sex marriage. Are you not using your religious beliefs to justify your political position on this matter?

I too have used my christian beliefs in my support of gay marriage.

We all have done it mate, Abbott as well (are we forgetting the abortion issue from when he was health minister).

To pretend otherwise shows how low you will sink to throw some mud.

this post indicates that you have no idea what we are talking about. your examples here are about people having religious and moral positions that they believe in and acting upon them. we are actually saying that Rudd has no beliefs of any kind and that he promotes anything that wil gain him advantage.

Explain to me again why Rudd doesnt believe in anything when his position was very clear?

Because you dont believe his motives?

This is nothing more than a personal attack on Rudd. You dont like the guy, and dont trust him. Thats fine, but to claim that his position means nothing because he only believes in himself is laughable. Talk about a stupid position for you to take.

You are playing the man, and not the ball. You are letting your obvious distain and dislike for a man cloud your judgement.

his position on boat people is the opposite of his previous position. His position on gay marriage is the opposite of what it used to be. and on and on it goes. But this is a BIBLICAL question. Rudd doesn't get the option as a Christian to choosing what he does and doesn't agree with in the Bible. ?

Then neither do you.

Which must mean as verge said ;

"... Jesus believed you cant cut your hair, wear clothing of different materials, put cattle of different breeds in the same paddock and people can be put to death."

and that slaves should obey their masters
saturday morning stick gatherers should be put to death
daughters can be sold.

and an endless list of ridiculous, barbaric dos and donts.

Can YOU choose which ones to believe and which ones not?

After all as YOU said;

"Jesus said that He absolutely supported the law and the Prophets"

simplistic nonsense taken out of character. For instance the hair garbage. Jesus was a Nazarene and as such took a vow not to cut His hair. the rest of the Jews of His time however did. You don't know much about the Bible and so bring your ignorance here and impose your one-dimensional thinking onto it. It is a COMPLEX book full of history and so on. you seek to interpret it outside of its historical and cultural contexts and is why you come up with the wrong answers.

But the point has been about RUDD and the Bible not you. Rudd has shown that his beliefs are flexible depending on which one gets the most votes. For a politician that is almost excusable. But for a Christian, it is a disgrace.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #76 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 2:39pm

Good grief !

Loathsome American politics has replaced intelligence

Courtesy of Rudd's American 'expert' campaign minders

Stupid Americans fall for this religious crap !

This wasn't supposed to happen to AUSTRALIA !

In American elections, the religious element is used to distract dum-dum voters

Australians USED to be more intelligent !

Who the bugger CARES about this shiiite !

Keep your addlepated brains on the target for pete's sake !

Can't you SEE what is happening here ?

Can't you SEE what they've DONE to you ?

For goodness sakes

WAKE THE bugger UP !

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #77 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

[quote author=Jazza link=1378205285/48#48 date=1378257675][quote author=longweekend58 link=1378205285/47#47 date=1378256521]

I was very disappointed in Rudd because most genuine Christians don't let politics get in the way of their religious beliefs or actions. The parliamentary Christian Fellowship is an example. But for Rudd, everything is about him and his wishes and his promotion. And you are right quantum. His understanding of the Gospel has shown that his understanding of the basic tenet of the Bible is flawed and very poor. I don't think he has the slightest clue.

Yes, he really got this one wrong. I know for a lot of non Christians his answer was good, and that in fine and understandable. If you are not a Christian the bible is surely irrelevant so who cares if his answers fit with it. But I'm sure many Christians picked up on the fact that he essentially took Christ out of Christian in a response to a question as to why Christians can trust him. For someone like him who confesses to be a Christian (plus as a politician in an election week of a nation that has millions of Christians), that was madness. Yes polictians should not let their beliefs get in the way of politics, but as you said, he has let politics get in the way of his own beliefs. Very disappointing.

I think that that is possibly the worst indictment on his character. I've said in the past that Rudd doesn't believe in anything other than himself. Now, I suspect that may in fact be literally true.

But you yourself have used christanity as a reason for opposing same sex marriage. Are you not using your religious beliefs to justify your political position on this matter?

his position on boat people is the opposite of his previous position. His position on gay marriage is the opposite of what it used to be. and on and on it goes. But this is a BIBLICAL question. Rudd doesn't get the option as a Christian to choosing what he does and doesn't agree with in the Bible. ?

Then neither do you.

Which must mean as verge said ;

"... Jesus believed you cant cut your hair, wear clothing of different materials, put cattle of different breeds in the same paddock and people can be put to death."

and that slaves should obey their masters
saturday morning stick gatherers should be put to death
daughters can be sold.

and an endless list of ridiculous, barbaric dos and donts.

Can YOU choose which ones to believe and which ones not?

After all as YOU said;

"Jesus said that He absolutely supported the law and the Prophets"

simplistic nonsense taken out of character. For instance the hair garbage. Jesus was a Nazarene and as such took a vow not to cut His hair. the rest of the Jews of His time however did. You don't know much about the Bible and so bring your ignorance here and impose your one-dimensional thinking onto it. It is a COMPLEX book full of history and so on. you seek to interpret it outside of its historical and cultural contexts and is why you come up with the wrong answers.

But the point has been about RUDD and the Bible not you. Rudd has shown that his beliefs are flexible depending on which one gets the most votes. For a politician that is almost excusable. But for a Christian, it is a disgrace.

You know bugger all about what I know about the bible.

No surprise you go into your usual "you are an ignorant idiot who cant grasp the complexities of BLAH BLAH BLAH and only I know everytjhing about everything" shtick .

You are the one who siad that jesus believed in the laws of prohets in the OT.

You are the one who said that christians cant choose what to believe and what not to believe in the bible.

Therefore YOU , as a self described christian must believe slavery is ok , selling your daughter is ok , killing saturday morning stick gatherers is ok etc etc etc.

Despite your constant holier than thou and smarter than thou attitude you constantly come across as a bitter, EXTREMELY biased and partisan old grump without an ounce of self awareness or ability for self reflection and perception.

And a hypocrite ta-boot.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #78 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:01pm

Good grief !

Loathsome American politics has replaced intelligence

Courtesy of Rudd's American 'expert' campaign minders

Stupid Americans fall for this religious crap !

This wasn't supposed to happen to AUSTRALIA !

In American elections, the religious element is used to distract dum-dum voters

Australians USED to be more intelligent !

Who the bugger CARES about this shiiite !

Keep your addlepated brains on the target for pete's sake !

Can't you SEE what is happening here ?

Can't you SEE what they've DONE to you ?

For goodness sakes

WAKE THE bugger UP !

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #79 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:09pm Good old Kevvy does it every time doesn't he? The gays can see right through him, he is trying to sell them his snake oil but in the process he has most probably lost a lot of the Christian vote when he slam dunked the preacher man.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26524 Australia	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #80 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:14pm Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:23pm: How did this go from "natural" condition to "normal" condition? so here we go again. Obviously what he meant is clear but you have to try to look smart with your semantics. Doesnt work. SOB
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #81 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

How did this go from "natural" condition to "normal" condition?

so here we go again. Obviously what he meant is clear but you have to try to look smart with your semantics. Doesnt work.

SOB

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #82 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:22pm

.

American bullshiiiters have you guys by the nose hairs

They figured you for dumb

and they were right !

They're laughing at you right now

Enjoy being the butt of US jokes

You'll get what you deserve

that's for sure

Now why don't you go tune in to one of those five hour American Church of the Air programmes

You've been primed

You're ready

The last of what little brain you had

has been fried

Maybe you should all apply for US green cards

then you can piss off over to one of those religious-retard middle American towns

and get even fatter

and even more stupid than you are now

Yeah. Go. Go quick

You no longer qualify as Aussies

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #83 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:29pm

PZ547

I never understood why people look for expertise from around the world about our country, especially on economics.

Australia is a very unique country for many reasons, one being we are far more egalitarian then most (but that is slowly changing for the worse), we are a small population sitting on a massive pile of minerals.

Getting political advice from the UK who seems far more class structured and ideologically based ...... just look at the disgusting response to Thatcher's death ...... or to the US who has a very big bible belt many times our population.

The real unique feature about politics is the high level of apathy and cynicism.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #84 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:25pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

[quote author=Jazza link=1378205285/48#48 date=1378257675][quote author=longweekend58 link=1378205285/47#47 date=1378256521]

I was very disappointed in Rudd because most genuine Christians don't let politics get in the way of their religious beliefs or actions. The parliamentary Christian Fellowship is an example. But for Rudd, everything is about him and his wishes and his promotion. And you are right quantum. His understanding of the Gospel has shown that his understanding of the basic tenet of the Bible is flawed and very poor. I don't think he has the slightest clue.

Yes, he really got this one wrong. I know for a lot of non Christians his answer was good, and that in fine and understandable. If you are not a Christian the bible is surely irrelevant so who cares if his answers fit with it. But I'm sure many Christians picked up on the fact that he essentially took Christ out of Christian in a response to a question as to why Christians can trust him. For someone like him who confesses to be a Christian (plus as a politician in an election week of a nation that has millions of Christians), that was madness. Yes polictians should not let their beliefs get in the way of politics, but as you said, he has let politics get in the way of his own beliefs. Very disappointing.

I think that that is possibly the worst indictment on his character. I've said in the past that Rudd doesn't believe in anything other than himself. Now, I suspect that may in fact be literally true.

But you yourself have used christanity as a reason for opposing same sex marriage. Are you not using your religious beliefs to justify your political position on this matter?

his position on boat people is the opposite of his previous position. His position on gay marriage is the opposite of what it used to be. and on and on it goes. But this is a BIBLICAL question. Rudd doesn't get the option as a Christian to choosing what he does and doesn't agree with in the Bible. ?

Then neither do you.

Which must mean as verge said ;

"... Jesus believed you cant cut your hair, wear clothing of different materials, put cattle of different breeds in the same paddock and people can be put to death."

and that slaves should obey their masters
saturday morning stick gatherers should be put to death
daughters can be sold.

and an endless list of ridiculous, barbaric dos and donts.

Can YOU choose which ones to believe and which ones not?

After all as YOU said;

"Jesus said that He absolutely supported the law and the Prophets"

simplistic nonsense taken out of character. For instance the hair garbage. Jesus was a Nazarene and as such took a vow not to cut His hair. the rest of the Jews of His time however did. You don't know much about the Bible and so bring your ignorance here and impose your one-dimensional thinking onto it. It is a COMPLEX book full of history and so on. you seek to interpret it outside of its historical and cultural contexts and is why you come up with the wrong answers.

But the point has been about RUDD and the Bible not you. Rudd has shown that his beliefs are flexible depending on which one gets the most votes. For a politician that is almost excusable. But for a Christian, it is a disgrace.

You know bugger all about what I know about the bible.
No surprise you go into your usual "you are an ignorant idiot who cant grasp the complexities of BLAH BLAH BLAH and only I know everytjhing about everything" shtick .

You are the one who siad that jesus believed in the laws of prohets in the OT.

You are the one who said that christians cant choose what to believe and what not to believe in the bible.

Therefore YOU , as a self described christian must believe slavery is ok , selling your daughter is ok , killing saturday morning stick gatherers is ok etc etc etc.

Despite your constant holier than thou and smarter than thou attitude you constantly come across as a bitter, EXTREMELY biased and partisan old grump without an ounce of self awareness or ability for self reflection and perception.

And a hypocrite ta-boot.

I'd say I am completely right about your cursory knowledge of the Bible. Your posts which are full of simplistic observations confirm it.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #85 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:26pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

How did this go from "natural" condition to "normal" condition?

so here we go again. Obviously what he meant is clear but you have to try to look smart with your semantics. Doesnt work.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

it's not semantics at all. natural and normal have very different meanings - at least to educated folks.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #86 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:27pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Despite your constant holier than thou and smarter than thou attitude you constantly come across as a bitter, EXTREMELY biased and partisan old grump without an ounce of self awareness or ability for self reflection and perception.And a hypocrite ta-boot.

Didn't take you long to work out Longy ...... it's amazing how he doesn't break his spine with all his backflips.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #87 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:25pm: