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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #30 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:10am aquascoot When motor mouth Rudd took over I was waiting for Fart Watch to be formed.
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #31 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:19am

True Blue... wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:44am:

Kat wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 10:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:26pm:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:06pm:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:04pm:

rudd still didn't answer the question...

two face lying bastard...

and of course he came up with something smart to try and belittle that guy.. .what a pig..

bugger off idiot .... anyone who debates marriage equality with the line 'but the bible says' is asking to be belittled.

bullshit you Turd...

it just goes to show that Rudd is so low that he'll use the church to try and get votes because its obvious he doesn't believe in the Bibles word...

Let’s be clear. Even a cursory reading of the Bible would tell you it never says slavery is a “natural condition”. Never. Not once…

yet again... another lie by Rudd defended by the moronic Stooge Labor supporters... along with his bullying of a priest ffs...

lower than a snakes belly that pig.. Angry

you didn't even see the show did you? Grin

You've no idea what you are on about ...

Nothing new or remotely surprising about that.

He seldom does.

and funnily I've proved you wrong time and again... then you disappear out of the thread....

like the one where those welfare cheats getting $900 a week of tax payers money and then forcing their kids to live in a car...

ole Kat and his disappearing acts as soon as he realises once again he's 100% wrong... good one kat... Grin

quick, change the topic, maybe no one will notice what a d1ck you were. Smiley

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #32 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:26am

I don't know why this one topic has dominated as it had little overall relevance.

Rudd put his view and it worked well. Most I would think would support Rudd's position.

As for the rubbish this topic is based on well typical Macca BS again, hardly worth the effort to shoot it down.

However the quote Rudd made from the Bible is correct - it is there and is as valid as the pastors quote.

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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #33 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:31am Dnarubbish I know most topics are beyond you, like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes, but you need to ask Rudd why he goes down these paths, he is your leader of the party you worship.
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #34 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:33am

Quote:

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Colossians 3:22

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Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God

- King James Bible

The absolutely WORST traits of the churches and religious pontificators are those techniques of cherry-picking their
"abominations"
to suit their personal
agendas of HATE

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #35 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Dnarubbish

I know most topics are beyond you, like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes, but you need to ask Rudd why he goes down these paths, he is your leader of the party you worship.

The article was just anti Labor or anti gay marrage spin with no substance. Watch the debate and judge for yourself.

The technicalities in the article were all swayed to suite a false conclusion. Rudd had done well to counter the bible quote with another to refute the claim and the quote he used was relevant and correct.

The argument of lining up two quotes from the bible and saying that one was fair dinkum and the other was just a social statement of the day is ludicrous, maybe they were both just a social comment on the day or possibly neither. It is just how the author wants to spin it.

Rudds following statement saying that Human condition and social positions change about sums it up.

I think it obvious that there was nothing of value on this topic in that article. It was someone's view supported by bending biblical meaning to suit his pre conceived opinion.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #36 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:21am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

Quote:

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Colossians 3:22

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Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God

- King James Bible

The absolutely WORST traits of the churches and religious pontificators are those techniques of cherry-picking their
"abominations"
to suit their personal
agendas of HATE

Using this to promote your own personal and unreasonable hatred of the Church is just as bad.

There are Christians the world over like me, that do not use the bible for any "bashing" of anyone and use it as a reference point for our own morality and how we lead our lives.

I personally do not hate you gay people, but I do find your lifestyle choice to be a sin and for which you will have to answer on Judgement Day.
But that is something that you will have to do, not I.

But your hatred of the Church is completely unnecessary. Christians the world over are good people.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #37 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:25am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Dnarubbish

I know most topics are beyond you, like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes, but you need to ask Rudd why he goes down these paths, he is your leader of the party you worship.

The article was just anti Labor or anti gay marrage spin with no substance. Watch the debate and judge for yourself.

The technicalities in the article were all swayed to suite a false conclusion. Rudd had done well to counter the bible quote with another to refute the claim and the quote he used was relevant and correct.

The argument of lining up two quotes from the bible and saying that one was fair dinkum and the other was just a social statement of the day is ludicrous, maybe they were both just a social comment on the day or possibly neither. It is just how the author wants to spin it.

Rudds following statement saying that Human condition and social positions change about sums it up.

I think it obvious that there was nothing of value on this topic in that article. It was someone's view supported by bending biblical meaning to suit his pre conceived opinion.

The only person bending the bible is Rudd, and most Christians know that.

The bible is like any other topic; it has a mainstream view, then it has many smaller alternative views. Does every scientist believe in climate change? Does every scientist believe that vaccinations are safe? Does every scientist believe that fluoride in water is good for you? No matter the topic, there will always be someone who has a different opinion. Usually most people hold to the mainstream view that the majority of experts support. However, many people who will believe the experts on other issues will happily dismiss the mainstream when it comes to biblical studies. Several people may spend 50 years doing bible reaserch, trying to understand the historical context and looking at all possible views, yet people will happily dismiss that reaserch by finding a verse through google and saying that their interpretation is as good as anyone else's. Rudd totally missed what Paul was saying, but since Rudd also missed what the gospel is on about in his next sentence that is hardly surprising.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible. He complelty misquoted it, and gave one of the weakess summaries of the gospel ever made. He is clearly trying to walk a line of saying "I'm a Christian" while grabbing votes from the non Christians as well. And isn't that what the real question was about? It had nothing to do with gay marriage, but instead was about Christians in Australia not sure anymore on what he actually believes. He says one thing, but he also says and does another and people are now confused on where he stands. His answer on Monday only highlighted these two sides of Kevin. Until Monday he seemed like a Christian trying to win the non Christian vote. After Q&A he seems like a non Christian trying to keep the Christian vote by simply saying "I'm a committed Christian, I just don't follow Christ or believe the bible". His response would have lost him as many votes as he picked up.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #38 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:33am

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Dnarubbish

I know most topics are beyond you, like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes, but you need to ask Rudd why he goes down these paths, he is your leader of the party you worship.

The article was just anti Labor or anti gay marrage spin with no substance. Watch the debate and judge for yourself.

The technicalities in the article were all swayed to suite a false conclusion. Rudd had done well to counter the bible quote with another to refute the claim and the quote he used was relevant and correct.

The argument of lining up two quotes from the bible and saying that one was fair dinkum and the other was just a social statement of the day is ludicrous, maybe they were both just a social comment on the day or possibly neither. It is just how the author wants to spin it.

Rudds following statement saying that Human condition and social positions change about sums it up.

I think it obvious that there was nothing of value on this topic in that article. It was someone's view supported by bending biblical meaning to suit his pre conceived opinion.

The only person bending the bible is Rudd, and most Christians know that.

The bible is like any other topic; it has a mainstream view, then it has many smaller alternative views. Does every scientist believe in climate change? Does every scientist believe that vaccinations are safe? Does every scientist believe that fluoride in water is good for you? No matter the topic, there will always be someone who has a different opinion. Usually most people hold to the mainstream view that the majority of experts support. However, many people who will believe the experts on other issues will happily dismiss the mainstream when it comes to biblical studies. Several people may spend 50 years doing bible reaserch, trying to understand the historical context and looking at all possible views, yet people will happily dismiss that reaserch by finding a verse through google and saying that their interpretation is as good as anyone else's. Rudd totally missed what Paul was saying, but since Rudd also missed what the gospel is on about in his next sentence that is hardly surprising.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible. He complelty misquoted it, and gave one of the weakess summaries of the gospel ever made. He is clearly trying to walk a line of saying "I'm a Christian" while grabbing votes from the non Christians as well. And isn't that what the real question was about? It had nothing to do with gay marriage, but instead was about Christians in Australia not sure anymore on what he actually believes. He says one thing, but he also says and does another and people are now confused on where he stands. His answer on Monday only highlighted these two sides of Kevin. Until Monday he seemed like a Christian trying to win the non Christian vote. After Q&A he seems like a non Christian trying to keep the Christian vote by simply saying "I'm a committed Christian, I just don't follow Christ or believe the bible". His response would have lost him as many votes as he picked up.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible.

"Paul said in the new testament slaves be obedient to your masters"

It was a real good guess then !!!!

This is enough to show how credible your view of this is.

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Reply #39 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:36am

rudd gives a quick glib reply that sounds impressive and people want to hear.
Afterwards, it all shows up to be quite incorrect.

How ruddish of him..

Quote:

..Colossians 3:22.

Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

I relate that to how an employee should be for an employer.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #40 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:45am There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28 For God shows no partiality Romans 2:11
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #41 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:46am

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Dnarubbish

I know most topics are beyond you, like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes, but you need to ask Rudd why he goes down these paths, he is your leader of the party you worship.

You are aware that it is possible to make a post without insulting someone ????

I know most topics are beyond you

I rate my intelligence around average - or like most people a tad better than average which as in most cases may be somewhat delusional, however I know I am playing you off a break. Thus the fact that I feel no need or desire to insult you.

like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes

Why would you think votes have a relevance to me ????

he is your leader of the party you worship

I have commented a number of times that I will not be voting Labor in this coming election. Either I failed worship 101 or your opinion may be faulty once again.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #42 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:47am

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Dnarubbish

I know most topics are beyond you, like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes, but you need to ask Rudd why he goes down these paths, he is your leader of the party you worship.

The article was just anti Labor or anti gay marrage spin with no substance. Watch the debate and judge for yourself.

The technicalities in the article were all swayed to suite a false conclusion. Rudd had done well to counter the bible quote with another to refute the claim and the quote he used was relevant and correct.

The argument of lining up two quotes from the bible and saying that one was fair dinkum and the other was just a social statement of the day is ludicrous, maybe they were both just a social comment on the day or possibly neither. It is just how the author wants to spin it.

Rudds following statement saying that Human condition and social positions change about sums it up.

I think it obvious that there was nothing of value on this topic in that article. It was someone's view supported by bending biblical meaning to suit his pre conceived opinion.

The only person bending the bible is Rudd, and most Christians know that.

The bible is like any other topic; it has a mainstream view, then it has many smaller alternative views. Does every scientist believe in climate change? Does every scientist believe that vaccinations are safe? Does every scientist believe that fluoride in water is good for you? No matter the topic, there will always be someone who has a different opinion. Usually most people hold to the mainstream view that the majority of experts support. However, many people who will believe the experts on other issues will happily dismiss the mainstream when it comes to biblical studies. Several people may spend 50 years doing bible reaserch, trying to understand the historical context and looking at all possible views, yet people will happily dismiss that reaserch by finding a verse through google and saying that their interpretation is as good as anyone else's. Rudd totally missed what Paul was saying, but since Rudd also missed what the gospel is on about in his next sentence that is hardly surprising.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible. He complelty misquoted it, and gave one of the weakess summaries of the gospel ever made. He is clearly trying to walk a line of saying "I'm a Christian" while grabbing votes from the non Christians as well. And isn't that what the real question was about? It had nothing to do with gay marriage, but instead was about Christians in Australia not sure anymore on what he actually believes. He says one thing, but he also says and does another and people are now confused on where he stands. His answer on Monday only highlighted these two sides of Kevin. Until Monday he seemed like a Christian trying to win the non Christian vote. After Q&A he seems like a non Christian trying to keep the Christian vote by simply saying "I'm a committed Christian, I just don't follow Christ or believe the bible". His response would have lost him as many votes as he picked up.

wow... that is so right. I too get sick of the dunces quoting a since verse out of context just as Rudd did. Sadly, his Christianity looks like everything else he says and does - a sham. Nobody knows that Rudd really believes in other than himself.

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Reply #43 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:49am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Dnarubbish

I know most topics are beyond you, like picking an issue which might gain and lose votes, but you need to ask Rudd why he goes down these paths, he is your leader of the party you worship.

The article was just anti Labor or anti gay marrage spin with no substance. Watch the debate and judge for yourself.

The technicalities in the article were all swayed to suite a false conclusion. Rudd had done well to counter the bible quote with another to refute the claim and the quote he used was relevant and correct.

The argument of lining up two quotes from the bible and saying that one was fair dinkum and the other was just a social statement of the day is ludicrous, maybe they were both just a social comment on the day or possibly neither. It is just how the author wants to spin it.

Rudds following statement saying that Human condition and social positions change about sums it up.

I think it obvious that there was nothing of value on this topic in that article. It was someone's view supported by bending biblical meaning to suit his pre conceived opinion.

The only person bending the bible is Rudd, and most Christians know that.

The bible is like any other topic; it has a mainstream view, then it has many smaller alternative views. Does every scientist believe in climate change? Does every scientist believe that vaccinations are safe? Does every scientist believe that fluoride in water is good for you? No matter the topic, there will always be someone who has a different opinion. Usually most people hold to the mainstream view that the majority of experts support. However, many people who will believe the experts on other issues will happily dismiss the mainstream when it comes to biblical studies. Several people may spend 50 years doing bible reaserch, trying to understand the historical context and looking at all possible views, yet people will happily dismiss that reaserch by finding a verse through google and saying that their interpretation is as good as anyone else's. Rudd totally missed what Paul was saying, but since Rudd also missed what the gospel is on about in his next sentence that is hardly surprising.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible. He complelty misquoted it, and gave one of the weakess summaries of the gospel ever made. He is clearly trying to walk a line of saying "I'm a Christian" while grabbing votes from the non Christians as well. And isn't that what the real question was about? It had nothing to do with gay marriage, but instead was about Christians in Australia not sure anymore on what he actually believes. He says one thing, but he also says and does another and people are now confused on where he stands. His answer on Monday only highlighted these two sides of Kevin. Until Monday he seemed like a Christian trying to win the non Christian vote. After Q&A he seems like a non Christian trying to keep the Christian vote by simply saying "I'm a committed Christian, I just don't follow Christ or believe the bible". His response would have lost him as many votes as he picked up.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible.

"Paul said in the new testament slaves be obedient to your masters"

It was a real good guess then !!!!

This is enough to show how credible your view of this is.

how does that show support for slavery? it is showing support for OBEDIENCE. again, the historical context is something you don't understand

oh and btw, it was the Christian church that over-turned slavery over the objections of people like you.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #44 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:50am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

Christians the world over are good people.

Fred Phelps, Sr.

Charles Coughlin

Jim Jones

Marshall Herff Applewhite, Jr.

Paul Jennings Hill

Michael Bray

Matthew Hale

Pat Robertson

David Koresh

Sun Myung Moon

Benny Hinn

George Pell

Fred Nile

The entire membership of the Ku-Klux-Klan

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