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Reply #195 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:47am

Verge wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

I wonder what the great one, our own saviour thinks about same sex marriage;

Former prime minister John Howard yesterday backed a conscience vote for the Coalition on same-sex marriage, but added his own view that the matter was "nonsense".

There is a man, who I openly disagree with about the subject matter, but is man enough to recognise the matter should be resolved with a conscience vote.

we had one this year. given the order or priorities another should be due in say 5-6 years?

IN the meantime how about a conscience vote on the Carbon Tax? ah... but we cant have that, can we. it is the 'greatest moral issue of our time' but we cant have a conscience vote?

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Reply #196 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:50am

Verge wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Quantum wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Verge wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

Mnemonic pretty much just school Longy and Quantum.

I guess now they know how the pastor feels.

Except for the fact that mnemonic is talking to himself. Several times I have replied to him explaining that I'm not talking about homosexual marriage, yet every posts he writes to me comes back to "that's because you disagree about homosexuals" or something like that. How many times do I have to say I am not taking about something before people stop quoting posts that have nothing to do with their reply.

Don't be too taken in by his long posts. N T Wright and his new perspective work on Paul doesn't focus on oral tradition of Jews. In fact most of mnemonics posts come back to Jewish oral tradition which has little to do with anything in the New Testament times.

You got schooled mate. Accept it, move on.

not at all. As quantum says... the debate isn't even about gay marriage except that you morons (and that includes you, verge) just insist that it is. The debate is about Biblical interpretation et al but no... to you wankers EVERY SUBJECT is about gay marriage. Mnemonic didn't make much of an argument at all and even worse when he wasn't arguing on the actual topic.

The difference is that Quantum and I both accept the Word of God as our authoritative reference. mnemonic accepts pretty much anything and everything and thus ends up with a position that constantly changes.

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Reply #197 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:52am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:48pm:

I have gone to various online Bible sites and did a search on "slavery natural condition"

Couldn't find it

And NATURALLY, you WOULDN'T

At NO stage did the Prime Minister give any impression that slavery as a "natural condition" was in any way a DIRECT QUOTE from ANY Bible

It was an interpretation - as HE read it
And a VALID interpretation - at THAT

Wasting your time Buzz - they only understand what they want.

I have no idea why conservatives lose the ability to comprehend anything they don't like.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #199 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:48pm:

I have gone to various online Bible sites and did a search on "slavery natural condition"

Couldn't find it

And NATURALLY, you WOULDN'T

At NO stage did the Prime Minister give any impression that slavery as a "natural condition" was in any way a DIRECT QUOTE from ANY Bible

It was an interpretation - as HE read it
And a VALID interpretation - at THAT

Wasting your time Buzz - they only understand what they want.

I have no idea why conservatives lose the ability to comprehend anything they don't like.

and we have no idea why people like you apparently believe in nothing, stand for nothing and fall for everything. You wouldn't know a principle if it bit you in the bum. Would wouldn't recognise a moral or ethical position if it attacked you in the street.

Other than hating Abbott, I see nothing you actually stand for or believe. it must be lonely in the dark hours of early morning and you awake to find you believe in nothing.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #200 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Verge wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

I wonder what the great one, our own saviour thinks about same sex marriage;

Former prime minister John Howard yesterday backed a conscience vote for the Coalition on same-sex marriage, but added his own view that the matter was "nonsense".

There is a man, who I openly disagree with about the subject matter, but is man enough to recognise the matter should be resolved with a conscience vote.

we had one this year. given the order or priorities another should be due in say 5-6 years?

IN the meantime how about a conscience vote on the Carbon Tax? ah... but we cant have that, can we. it is the 'greatest moral issue of our time' but we cant have a conscience vote?

A conscience vote is a strange term to use when dealing with Liberals ???

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Reply #201 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:59am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:48pm:

I have gone to various online Bible sites and did a search on "slavery natural condition"

Couldn't find it

And NATURALLY, you WOULDN'T

At NO stage did the Prime Minister give any impression that slavery as a "natural condition" was in any way a DIRECT QUOTE from ANY Bible

It was an interpretation - as HE read it
And a VALID interpretation - at THAT

Wasting your time Buzz - they only understand what they want.

I have no idea why conservatives lose the ability to comprehend anything they don't like.

and we have no idea why people like you apparently believe in nothing, stand for nothing and fall for everything. You wouldn't know a principle if it bit you in the bum. Would wouldn't recognise a moral or ethical position if it attacked you in the street.

Other than hating Abbott, I see nothing you actually stand for or believe. it must be lonely in the dark hours of early morning and you awake to find you believe in nothing.

You should know most conservatives believe in little other than profit.

And yet it is you who bends the statement made by Rudd to your own political agenda, what Rudd said was correct like it or not.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #202 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:04am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

Other than hating Abbott, I see nothing you actually stand for or believe.

When did I ever say that I hate Abbott ????

Plenty of good people who would make a terrible PM and Abbott is only one of them.

Abbott undeniably does some good things in his community and appears to be a good bloke in many ways however he also has significant flaws and has made many mistakes.

It is obvious he has not been terribly honest in his politics over the years and seems to have progressed downhill as leader. He wants to win at any cost.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #203 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:05am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:48pm:

I have gone to various online Bible sites and did a search on "slavery natural condition"

Couldn't find it

And NATURALLY, you WOULDN'T

At NO stage did the Prime Minister give any impression that slavery as a "natural condition" was in any way a DIRECT QUOTE from ANY Bible

It was an interpretation - as HE read it
And a VALID interpretation - at THAT

Wasting your time Buzz - they only understand what they want.

I have no idea why conservatives lose the ability to comprehend anything they don't like.

and we have no idea why people like you apparently believe in nothing, stand for nothing and fall for everything. You wouldn't know a principle if it bit you in the bum. Would wouldn't recognise a moral or ethical position if it attacked you in the street.

Other than hating Abbott, I see nothing you actually stand for or believe. it must be lonely in the dark hours of early morning and you awake to find you believe in nothing.

You should know most conservatives believe in little other than profit.

And yet it is you who bends the statement made by Rudd to your own political agenda, what Rudd said was correct like it or not.

since he was commenting on the Bible and Christian ethics what could possibly make you think you are entitled to make a judgement on the merits of the case? You haven't read it, you don't go to church and you don't seem to have any particular expertise in the subject matter.

Like it or not, a a lot of Christians who watched it were disturbed as they say the PM changed his view on Biblical inerrancy and replace it with 'his opinion'. The claim all thru this election is that Rudd changes his views and position on everything as it suits the votes. That was bad enough but to trade your Christian position for a few votes is unacceptable. and he will lose a lot of votes over it.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #204 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Verge wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

I wonder what the great one, our own saviour thinks about same sex marriage;

Former prime minister John Howard yesterday backed a conscience vote for the Coalition on same-sex marriage, but added his own view that the matter was "nonsense".

There is a man, who I openly disagree with about the subject matter, but is man enough to recognise the matter should be resolved with a conscience vote.

we had one this year. given the order or priorities another should be due in say 5-6 years?

IN the meantime how about a conscience vote on the Carbon Tax? ah... but we cant have that, can we. it is the 'greatest moral issue of our time' but we cant have a conscience vote?

Because it wasnt a conscience vote, only one side had one.

Also, conscience votes havent been used to determine matters of economic effect.

Nice try, terrible failure.

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #205 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:29am perceptions_now wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:26am: More SPIN & FAITH, but little REALITY! Maqqa, as usual, all SPIN! Longy, as usual, all BLIND FAITH! http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378205285/all
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #206 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 12:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Absolutely!! And what Rudd said was to remove Christ from his belief which renders it worthless.

How does supporting gay marriage "remove Christ from his belief"?!?!

Christ never said anything against gay marriage.

Exact opposite really. Christ said to love each over and treat others as we would have them treat ourselves. THat seems to fit in well with not discriminating against people based on their sexual preference

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

There will always be debate about theology and doctrine but on the major point there is no liberty at all. If you do not believe that Christ is the centre of the Bible and God's Son then your faith is false. IN fact the Bible itself says as much.

Where did Rudd say that anything against Christ being the the centre of the Bible and God's Son?

All he said was that discriminating against people based on their sexual preference was wrong.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #207 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 12:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:48pm:

I have gone to various online Bible sites and did a search on "slavery natural condition"

Couldn't find it

And NATURALLY, you WOULDN'T

At NO stage did the Prime Minister give any impression that slavery as a "natural condition" was in any way a DIRECT QUOTE from ANY Bible

It was an interpretation - as HE read it
And a VALID interpretation - at THAT

Wasting your time Buzz - they only understand what they want.

I have no idea why conservatives lose the ability to comprehend anything they don't like.

and we have no idea why people like you apparently believe in nothing, stand for nothing and fall for everything. You wouldn't know a principle if it bit you in the bum. Would wouldn't recognise a moral or ethical position if it attacked you in the street.

Other than hating Abbott, I see nothing you actually stand for or believe. it must be lonely in the dark hours of early morning and you awake to find you believe in nothing.

"People like us" believe in social justice, helping the poor sick and vulnerable in our society, not judging other people for choices they make that dont affect or damage others, righting economic injustice.

Just like jesus did.

That's why "people like us" vote for left leaning , socially progressive parties and reject the policies of right wing conservatives.

You can believe in the nonsense of "bible inerrancy" all you like mate , but you are judged on deeds not words.

You righties have highjacked christianity and turned it into a cold hearted , small minded cult of selfishness and cruelty.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #208 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 12:11pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Absolutely!! And what Rudd said was to remove Christ from his belief which renders it worthless.

How does supporting gay marriage "remove Christ from his belief"?!?!

Christ never said anything against gay marriage.

Exact opposite really. Christ said to love each over and treat others as we would have them treat ourselves. THat seems to fit in well with not discriminating against people based on their sexual preference

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

There will always be debate about theology and doctrine but on the major point there is no liberty at all. If you do not believe that Christ is the centre of the Bible and God's Son then your faith is false. IN fact the Bible itself says as much.

Where did Rudd say that anything against Christ being the the centre of the Bible and God's Son?

All he said was that discriminating against people based on their sexual preference was wrong.

It appears that longy thinks that only those of christian absolute blind faith are the only ones who have a worthwhile opinion when it comes to gay marriage.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #209 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 12:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Verge wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

I wonder what the great one, our own saviour thinks about same sex marriage;

Former prime minister John Howard yesterday backed a conscience vote for the Coalition on same-sex marriage, but added his own view that the matter was "nonsense".

There is a man, who I openly disagree with about the subject matter, but is man enough to recognise the matter should be resolved with a conscience vote.

we had one this year. given the order or priorities another should be due in say 5-6 years?

IN the meantime how about a conscience vote on the Carbon Tax? ah... but we cant have that, can we. it is the 'greatest moral issue of our time' but we cant have a conscience vote?

No - don't tell lies.

The Liberals were not allowed a conscience vote. They had to toe the party lie.

Two bills on gay marriage are currently before the Federal Parliament but the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott is denying Coalition MPs a conscience vote on the matter.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3540951.htm

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