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Reply #105 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:05pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

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The absolutely WORST traits of the churches and religious pontificators are those techniques of cherry-picking their
"abominations"
to suit their personal and institutionalized

agenda of HATE

... and there is NO DENYING THIS

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #106 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:19pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

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The absolutely WORST traits of the churches and religious pontificators are those techniques of cherry-picking their
"abominations"
to suit their personal and institutionalized

agenda of HATE

... and there is NO DENYING THIS

Good stuff, Comrade. Keep up the fight against Christianity and the protection of Islam by fighting Geert Wilders. This is truly progressive thinking.

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Mnemonic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #107 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:21pm stryder wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:52pm: Whats amazing to me is his sudden conversion to be a champion of gay and homosexual rights soooo conveniently close to the september election, No, that was several months ago. You must have missed the news report about it.
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #108 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

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The absolutely WORST traits of the churches and religious pontificators are those techniques of cherry-picking their
"abominations"
to suit their personal and institutionalized

agenda of HATE

... and there is NO DENYING THIS

blah blah blah... crayons and large fonts.

Never mind your opinion on the appearance. Very superficial of you.

What do you think about the truth of buzz's statement?

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #109 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

nice to see that a

"Biblical argument"

is still way beyond your ability.

I don't NEED "biblical argument"

I just got my child-hood teddy-bear - recently re-found by my parents - back on FATHER'S DAY !

He is the oldest and closest confidant - and

"nearest to "god"

- I ever knew

I am so GLAD MY "Lawrence George" has come home

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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #110 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:49pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

nice to see that a

"Biblical argument"

is still way beyond your ability.

I don't NEED "biblical argument"

I just got my child-hood teddy-bear - recently re-found by my parents - back on FATHER'S DAY !

He is the oldest and closest confidant - and

"nearest to "god"

- I ever knew

I am so GLAD MY "Lawrence George" has come home

then stop trying to make biblical arguments and stick with playing with your teddy bear.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #111 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

True Blue... wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:24pm:

bullshit you Turd...

it just goes to show that Rudd is so low that he'll use the church to try and get votes because its obvious he doesn't believe in the Bibles word...

Let’s be clear. Even a cursory reading of the Bible would tell you it never says slavery is a “natural condition”. Never. Not once…

yet again... another lie by Rudd defended by the moronic Stooge Labor supporters... along with his bullying of a priest ffs...

lower than a snakes belly that pig.. Angry

The trouble is that the passage in Leviticus proposed a practice now condemned by the Western world. Whether or not it was a "natural condition" isn't even the point. The point is that by following the Bible, we'd be going against Western values.

Not even Jews follow the Bible. They follow an oral tradition.

Nor do Christians and the Protestants don't even claim to be following an oral tradition, they claim that their beliefs and practices come straight from the Bible -- which is so not true.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:58am:

Just as it is clear that the Bible considers slavery a natural human condition.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Bible considers slavery a "natural human condition." I think that is open to interpretation.

The Bible simply proposes a practice that, at the time of writing, seemed quite rational, given the socio-economic realities at the time. The Islamic practice of women covering their heads to appear modest is another example of that. It makes sense to a group of people belonging to a particular socio-economic environment.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:58am:

It is clear that the Bible considers homosexual unnatural

I remember a conversation involving a guy who wasn't a Jew, Christian or Muslim (probably atheist or agnostic) but made the surprising statement that he didn't find the Bible's opposition to homosexuality as weird at all. He pointed out that the opposition to homosexuality wasn't unique to the Bible, that there was plenty of literature from other civilisations that were against homosexuality. The simple reason was that the human race needed to reproduce and people couldn't waste time hooking up with members of the same sex.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:58am:

That is the point.

Some issues of morality have changed in the 2000 odd years since that particular document was written, so it should not be taken blindly at face value.

Agreed. I think that was Kevin's point.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #112 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

.

The absolutely WORST traits of the churches and religious pontificators are those techniques of cherry-picking their
"abominations"
to suit their personal and institutionalized

agenda of HATE

... and there is NO DENYING THIS

blah blah blah... crayons and large fonts.

But ... STILL no denying it ... EH ?

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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #113 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:01pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:00pm:

You are an absolute twat, Maqqa.

Quote:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Anyone who has spent time reading the bible understands that slavery was accepted as a natural condition.

Your ignorance makes you cannon fodder for the LNP.

Anyone who spend so much time reading the Bible like you know that the Bible did not make the comment you are an idiot MOTR

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #114 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:07pm

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

PZ547

I never understood why people look for expertise from around the world about our country, especially on economics.

Australia is a very unique country for many reasons, one being we are far more egalitarian then most (but that is slowly changing for the worse), we are a small population sitting on a massive pile of minerals.

Getting political advice from the UK who seems far more class structured and ideologically based ...... just look at the disgusting response to Thatcher's death ...... or to the US who has a very big bible belt many times our population.

The real unique feature about politics is the high level of apathy and cynicism.

the bogans in the burbs (who will determine this election) are indeed apathetic and cynical (and they have every right to be).
kevvies pompous pontifications dont cut it in the burbs of our capital cities. labor should have got a train driver like chiffley to head their party, not an elitist millionaire who is more interested in syria than in traffic congestion and overcrowded casualties.
i knew it was over for labor when that liberal candidate on 4corners said that people dont like boat people being dumped into "bursting' western sydney. (absolutely true) i was gob smacked when the media had a go at her and absolutely fell over laughing when tony bourke said it was the most rediculous statement of the electoral campaign. oh, how out of touch labor has become. how the f*ck did you lost the suburbs to the liberals. what an appaling shamozle of a party . RIP fools Wink

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #115 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

The only person bending the bible is Rudd, and most Christians know that.

The bible is like any other topic; it has a mainstream view, then it has many smaller alternative views. Does every scientist believe in climate change? Does every scientist believe that vaccinations are safe? Does every scientist believe that fluoride in water is good for you? No matter the topic, there will always be someone who has a different opinion. Usually most people hold to the mainstream view that the majority of experts support. However, many people who will believe the experts on other issues will happily dismiss the mainstream when it comes to biblical studies. Several people may spend 50 years doing bible reaserch, trying to understand the historical context and looking at all possible views, yet people will happily dismiss that reaserch by finding a verse through google and saying that their interpretation is as good as anyone else's. Rudd totally missed what Paul was saying, but since Rudd also missed what the gospel is on about in his next sentence that is hardly surprising.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible. He complelty misquoted it, and gave one of the weakess summaries of the gospel ever made. He is clearly trying to walk a line of saying "I'm a Christian" while grabbing votes from the non Christians as well. And isn't that what the real question was about? It had nothing to do with gay marriage, but instead was about Christians in Australia not sure anymore on what he actually believes. He says one thing, but he also says and does another and people are now confused on where he stands. His answer on Monday only highlighted these two sides of Kevin. Until Monday he seemed like a Christian trying to win the non Christian vote. After Q&A he seems like a non Christian trying to keep the Christian vote by simply saying "I'm a committed Christian, I just don't follow Christ or believe the bible". His response would have lost him as many votes as he picked up.

Complete nonsense.

Rudd did not directly "quote" the Bible - he said "the Bible also says that slavery is a natural condition."

Which is perfectly true. THere are many references to slavery in the Bible indicating that it was a perfectly normal condition at the time the Bible was written.

He raised this to show how stupid people are to cherry-pick parts of the Bible and take them literally.

The Bible says in several places that homosexuality is wrong. But true Christians acknowledge that this is not at all consistent with the teachings of Jesus - the dude that Christians are supposed to follow more than anyone.

The Pastor said to Rudd:
"I just believe in what the Bible says and I'm just curious for you, Kevin, if you call yourself a Christian, why don't you believe the words of Jesus in the Bible?"

Weher exactly did Jesus ever say gay marriage was wrong?!?!

What Jesus DID apparently say was:

"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them,"
Matt7:12

It seems like Rudd has a far more Christian attitude than Abbott who forced his party members to vote in favour of discrimination

Jesus said that He absolutely supported the law and the Prophets which both unequivocally condemned homosexuality. To claim that Jesus was pro-gay is absurd. Any student of the bible would conclude the exact opposite. and obviously by extension He would oppose gay marriage.

So are you saying then that Christians should not eat pork or shellfish, should stone adulterers to death, should not plant two different crops in the same field, or wear garments made of two different kinds of thread?

Or are you simply cherry-picking which parts of the Bible you want to follow?

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #116 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

The only person bending the bible is Rudd, and most Christians know that.

The bible is like any other topic; it has a mainstream view, then it has many smaller alternative views. Does every scientist believe in climate change? Does every scientist believe that vaccinations are safe? Does every scientist believe that fluoride in water is good for you? No matter the topic, there will always be someone who has a different opinion. Usually most people hold to the mainstream view that the majority of experts support. However, many people who will believe the experts on other issues will happily dismiss the mainstream when it comes to biblical studies. Several people may spend 50 years doing bible reaserch, trying to understand the historical context and looking at all possible views, yet people will happily dismiss that reaserch by finding a verse through google and saying that their interpretation is as good as anyone else's. Rudd totally missed what Paul was saying, but since Rudd also missed what the gospel is on about in his next sentence that is hardly surprising.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible. He complelty misquoted it, and gave one of the weakess summaries of the gospel ever made. He is clearly trying to walk a line of saying "I'm a Christian" while grabbing votes from the non Christians as well. And isn't that what the real question was about? It had nothing to do with gay marriage, but instead was about Christians in Australia not sure anymore on what he actually believes. He says one thing, but he also says and does another and people are now confused on where he stands. His answer on Monday only highlighted these two sides of Kevin. Until Monday he seemed like a Christian trying to win the non Christian vote. After Q&A he seems like a non Christian trying to keep the Christian vote by simply saying "I'm a committed Christian, I just don't follow Christ or believe the bible". His response would have lost him as many votes as he picked up.

Complete nonsense.

Rudd did not directly "quote" the Bible - he said "the Bible also says that slavery is a natural condition."

Which is perfectly true. THere are many references to slavery in the Bible indicating that it was a perfectly normal condition at the time the Bible was written.

He raised this to show how stupid people are to cherry-pick parts of the Bible and take them literally.

The Bible says in several places that homosexuality is wrong. But true Christians acknowledge that this is not at all consistent with the teachings of Jesus - the dude that Christians are supposed to follow more than anyone.

The Pastor said to Rudd:
"I just believe in what the Bible says and I'm just curious for you, Kevin, if you call yourself a Christian, why don't you believe the words of Jesus in the Bible?"

Weher exactly did Jesus ever say gay marriage was wrong?!?!

What Jesus DID apparently say was:

"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them,"
Matt7:12

It seems like Rudd has a far more Christian attitude than Abbott who forced his party members to vote in favour of discrimination

ah... the old "the Bible says this but I think differently...' argument. Its not a sound Christian position to simply choose what you want and ignore the rest as Rudd the Cynic does.

So are you saying then that Christians should not eat pork or shellfish, should stone adulterers to death, should not plant two different crops in the same field, or wear garments made of two different kinds of thread?

Or are you simply cherry-picking which parts of the Bible you want to follow?

Its not a sound Christian position to simply choose what you want and ignore the rest as Rudd the Cynic does - apparently.

Why are you allowed to do it - but Rudd isn't?

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #117 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:17pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

The only person bending the bible is Rudd, and most Christians know that.

The bible is like any other topic; it has a mainstream view, then it has many smaller alternative views. Does every scientist believe in climate change? Does every scientist believe that vaccinations are safe? Does every scientist believe that fluoride in water is good for you? No matter the topic, there will always be someone who has a different opinion. Usually most people hold to the mainstream view that the majority of experts support. However, many people who will believe the experts on other issues will happily dismiss the mainstream when it comes to biblical studies. Several people may spend 50 years doing bible reaserch, trying to understand the historical context and looking at all possible views, yet people will happily dismiss that reaserch by finding a verse through google and saying that their interpretation is as good as anyone else's. Rudd totally missed what Paul was saying, but since Rudd also missed what the gospel is on about in his next sentence that is hardly surprising.

Rudd showed every Christian on Monday that he has not read the bible. He complelty misquoted it, and gave one of the weakess summaries of the gospel ever made. He is clearly trying to walk a line of saying "I'm a Christian" while grabbing votes from the non Christians as well. And isn't that what the real question was about? It had nothing to do with gay marriage, but instead was about Christians in Australia not sure anymore on what he actually believes. He says one thing, but he also says and does another and people are now confused on where he stands. His answer on Monday only highlighted these two sides of Kevin. Until Monday he seemed like a Christian trying to win the non Christian vote. After Q&A he seems like a non Christian trying to keep the Christian vote by simply saying "I'm a committed Christian, I just don't follow Christ or believe the bible". His response would have lost him as many votes as he picked up.

Complete nonsense.

Rudd did not directly "quote" the Bible - he said "the Bible also says that slavery is a natural condition."

Which is perfectly true. THere are many references to slavery in the Bible indicating that it was a perfectly normal condition at the time the Bible was written.

He raised this to show how stupid people are to cherry-pick parts of the Bible and take them literally.

The Bible says in several places that homosexuality is wrong. But true Christians acknowledge that this is not at all consistent with the teachings of Jesus - the dude that Christians are supposed to follow more than anyone.

The Pastor said to Rudd:
"I just believe in what the Bible says and I'm just curious for you, Kevin, if you call yourself a Christian, why don't you believe the words of Jesus in the Bible?"

Weher exactly did Jesus ever say gay marriage was wrong?!?!

What Jesus DID apparently say was:

"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them,"
Matt7:12

It seems like Rudd has a far more Christian attitude than Abbott who forced his party members to vote in favour of discrimination

Jesus said that He absolutely supported the law and the Prophets which both unequivocally condemned homosexuality. To claim that Jesus was pro-gay is absurd. Any student of the bible would conclude the exact opposite. and obviously by extension He would oppose gay marriage.

So are you saying then that Christians should not eat pork or shellfish, should stone adulterers to death, should not plant two different crops in the same field, or wear garments made of two different kinds of thread?

Or are you simply cherry-picking which parts of the Bible you want to follow?

and there is a perfect example as to why cherry-picking (which is what you do) leads you up the garden path. Jesus fulfilled the Law and moved us from law to Grace. ie those old testament laws do not apply any more. But before you get all excited and pro-gay, the new testament still opposed homosexuality. There were still behavioural laws etc.

it is a bit more complex that that but when you have a book written over a 1000 years by dozens of authors and covering millennia of history you do need to stop and think a little before jumping in and grabbing a section and thinking you know it all.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77052 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #118 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:23pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:17pm: those old testament laws do not apply any more Since when? does that mean we can forget the ten commandments?
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Reply #119 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

Jesus said that He absolutely supported the law and the Prophets which both unequivocally condemned homosexuality. To claim that Jesus was pro-gay is absurd. Any student of the bible would conclude the exact opposite. and obviously by extension He would oppose gay marriage.

Yet Ephesians 2:15 says of Jesus:
He rendered the Law inoperative, along with its commandments and regulations, thus creating in himself one new humanity from the two, thereby making peace,

Jesus never said we cant eat pelicans
Jesus never said that we can't plant two different crops in the same field
Jesus never said that we can't wear garments made of two different kinds of thread
Jesus never said that we must stone adulterers to death
Jesus never said that menstruating women are unclean

And Jesus never said there was anything wrong with gay marriage.
He said the exact opposite really.
He said we should love each over and treat others as we would have them treat ourselves.

I think Satan has entered your posts.
They are complete crap.

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