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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #90 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:04pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 9:00pm:

You are an absolute twat, Maqqa.

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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Anyone who has spent time reading the bible understands that slavery was accepted as a natural condition.

Your ignorance makes you cannon fodder for the LNP.

Yes - Kevin was right.

http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

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Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Howdy, Bobbie. Ah hope you ain’t stickin up for no bumchums.

Preacher talks about Leviticus. You ever read that?

Howdy Karnal,
We can't support them bum chums can we?

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #91 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:07pm

LW , you are confusing "simple" observation with "simplistic" observation.

But by all means continue to try and obfuscate and deflect.

Rudd was 100 percent right in what he said.

And the fact that another of maccas ridiculous and erroneous threads is still going after 7 pages speaks volumes for the irrational hatred you righties feel for rudd.

A sensible response would have been "Sorry macca , I dislike rudd and the labor party as much as you do but you are completely wrong on this matter".

But no. You go on and on and on perpetuating this nonsense in any and every attempt to pour forth your hatred and stick your boot in.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #92 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:25pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

LW , you are confusing "simple" observation with "simplistic" observation.

But by all means continue to try and obfuscate and deflect.

Rudd was 100 percent right in what he said.

And the fact that another of maccas ridiculous and erroneous threads is still going after 7 pages speaks volumes for the irrational hatred you righties feel for rudd.

A sensible response would have been "Sorry macca , I dislike rudd and the labor party as much as you do but you are completely wrong on this matter".

But no. You go on and on and on perpetuating this nonsense in any and every attempt to pour forth your hatred and stick your boot in.

He's very good at that.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #93 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

LW , you are confusing "simple" observation with "simplistic" observation.

But by all means continue to try and obfuscate and deflect.

Rudd was 100 percent right in what he said.

And the fact that another of maccas ridiculous and erroneous threads is still going after 7 pages speaks volumes for the irrational hatred you righties feel for rudd.

A sensible response would have been "Sorry macca , I dislike rudd and the labor party as much as you do but you are completely wrong on this matter".

But no. You go on and on and on perpetuating this nonsense in any and every attempt to pour forth your hatred and stick your boot in.

Just because you don't understand the nature of Rudd's dreadful Biblical interpretation and the implications doesn't make it unimportant for others.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111582 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #94 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:31pm For everyone's information: Longy is a Bible Scholar.
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #95 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

Baby Jesus has got behind Tonys election campaign and seen to it that the evil labor party will be sent back to hell from whence they spewed forth from, its not too late to repent ye evil labor voters, repent now before its too late, repent on Saturday and vote for gods very own candidate in this election or suffer eternal damnation and burn in hell forever.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #96 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:41pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:31pm: For everyone's information: Longy is a Bible Scholar. hey... you finally got something right!
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111582 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #97 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:42pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:31pm: For everyone's information: Longy is a Bible Scholar. hey... you finally got something right! And so is Walter Mitty.
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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #98 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

For everyone's information:

Longy is a Bible Scholar.

hey... you finally got something right!

And so is Walter Mitty. Grin

that's all? isn't this where you quote some wiki thing about Walter Mitty for the 999th time and a picture of him?

I know you find it hard to imagine but most people are not as universally dumb, unskilled and uninformed as you.

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #99 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

The article was just anti Labor or AND anti gay marriage spin with no substance.

The technicalities in the article were all swayed to suite a false conclusion.

Rudd had done well to counter the bible quote with another to refute the claim and the quote he used was relevant and correct.

The argument of lining up two quotes from the bible and saying that one was fair dinkum and the other was just a social statement of the day is ludicrous.

It is just how the author wants to spin it.

Rudds following statement saying that Human condition and social positions change about sums it up.

EXACTLY !

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #100 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:48pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:48pm:

I have gone to various online Bible sites and did a search on "slavery natural condition"

Couldn't find it

So I wonder those who clapped and applaud Rudd's come back last night was as idiotic as he is??!!

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/grant-how-could-a-christian-pm-call-the-bi...

I am appalled at how this national leader, publicly claiming "an informed conscience and a Christian conscience", misrepresented the Holy Book of the faith he confesses, on its teaching on one matter (slavery) to avoid its teaching on another matter (of marriage), in order to justify his abandonment of that biblical teaching.

Let's be clear. Even a cursory reading of the Bible would tell you it never says slavery is a "natural condition". Never. Not once.

You need to read it properly. The bible condones slavery.

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The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

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If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

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When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

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When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

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Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

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Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

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The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

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Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse
Reply #101 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:49pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

The article was just anti Labor or AND anti gay marriage spin with no substance.

The technicalities in the article were all swayed to suite a false conclusion.

Rudd had done well to counter the bible quote with another to refute the claim and the quote he used was relevant and correct.

The argument of lining up two quotes from the bible and saying that one was fair dinkum and the other was just a social statement of the day is ludicrous.

It is just how the author wants to spin it.

Rudds following statement saying that Human condition and social positions change about sums it up.

EXACTLY !

nice to see that a Biblical argument is still way beyond your ability. I think you missed a reply to one of your colourful offensive posts earlier.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111582 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #102 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:54pm Good post above Nail, you know more about the Bible than Longy.
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30338 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #103 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:56pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:54pm: Good post above Nail, you know more about the Bible than Longy. longloser doesn't know sh.t about his own bible.
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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14243 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #104 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:02pm buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:33am: . The absolutely WORST traits of the churches and religious pontificators are those techniques of cherry-picking their "abominations" to suit their personal and institutionalized agenda of HATE *... and there is NO DENYING THIS*
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