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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Wind Power Works Reply #15 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 8:48pm Rider wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 7:28pm: ... Yeah right, read all about how bl00dy good it is here ... 8:00AM BST 12 Sep 2010 Nothing current, then?
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Re: Wind Power Works
Reply #16 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:03pm

muso wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 8:09pm:

Yes, it can. For example Wind Power is 21% of total baseload in Denmark. China has over 70 Gigawatts of installed wind power, which is more than the total electricity generation capacity in Australia.

It's also cheaper than conventional coal generation in a number of countries.

Windpower is the second cheapest way to generate electricity with Hydro being the cheapest.

We have stronger average winds on our coastline compared to China or Europe which is one reason why Australia does well in Yachting/sailing,China and Europe are what sailors consider light wind venues.

In summer we get good sea breezes at coastal areas on sunny days, inland is not as strong.
The majority of the people live near the coast where the winds are usually stronger.

I think windpower is great, i would like to install a 2.5 KW turbine in the back yard.

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Reply #17 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:14pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Yes.

And China represents 19% of all Humans
Australia represents 0.3% of all Humans

On average, very single Australian emits about 4 times more than every Chinese person.

Whether we stop or not will make quite a significant difference to the overall world Human CO2 emissions. SInce we are amongst the world's worst polluters - unless we stop, why would anyone else?

And what is this "heavy burden on Australian industry" you are talking about?
How is switching to renewable resources without ongoing fuel costs a "heavy burden"? Seems like a sensible choice to me. And to China - that is why they are using more and more renewables.

Why aren't we?

AArrhh yes the per capita statement, its the only way to panic the average person who doesn't know WTF is going on.

Well my gum tree has "X" amount of leaves per capita.

What does this tell you about

1. the leaves
2. the tree
3. the health of the above
4. the population
5. the location

Per capita is economic jargon for economists to somehow compare nations, its absolute rubbish.

Its the only way the alarmists can make Australia look bad in the global warming stakes.

Australia emits 1.5% of ALL manmade CO2 emissions.
1.5% = (450 mega tonnes)

China emits 25% of ALL manmade CO2 emissions.
25% = (7500 mega tonnes)

China emts about 17 times more CO2 than Australia does.

We are not even close to China's output so stop scaring your average Joe Bloggs with the per capita nonsense.

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Re: Wind Power Works
Reply #18 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:16pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:14pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Yes.

And China represents 19% of all Humans
Australia represents 0.3% of all Humans

On average, very single Australian emits about 4 times more than every Chinese person.

Whether we stop or not will make quite a significant difference to the overall world Human CO2 emissions. SInce we are amongst the world's worst polluters - unless we stop, why would anyone else?

And what is this "heavy burden on Australian industry" you are talking about?
How is switching to renewable resources without ongoing fuel costs a "heavy burden"? Seems like a sensible choice to me. And to China - that is why they are using more and more renewables.

Why aren't we?

AArrhh yes the per capita statement, its the only way to panic the average person who doesn't know WTF is going on.

Well my gum tree has "X" amount of leaves per capita.

What does this tell you about

1. the leaves
2. the tree
3. the health of the above
4. the population
5. the location

Per capita is economic jargon for economists to somehow compare nations, its absolute rubbish.

Its the only way the alarmists can make Australia look bad in the global warming stakes.

Australia emits 1.5% of ALL manmade CO2 emissions.

China emits 25% of ALL manmade CO2 emissions.

We are not even close to China's output so stop scaring your average Joe Bloggs with the per capita nonsense.

I see.

So if China divided itself tomorrow into 20 independent nations - all with emissions less than Australia - then the problem would be fixed?

Is that how it works?

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Wind Power Works Reply #19 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:22pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:16pm: I see. So if China divided itself tomorrow into 20 independent nations - all with emissions less than Australia - then the problem would be fixed? Is that how it works? ???????????? Who says we have a problem....????? If the US broke up tomorrow.......???????
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Re: Wind Power Works
Reply #20 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 7:53pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:22pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:16pm:

I see.

So if China divided itself tomorrow into 20 independent nations - all with emissions less than Australia - then the problem would be fixed?

Is that how it works?

????????????

Who says we have a problem....?????

If the US broke up tomorrow.......???????

I'd say that you have a problem understanding simple concepts.

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Re: Wind Power Works
Reply #21 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 8:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:03pm:

Windpower is the second cheapest way to generate electricity with Hydro being the cheapest.

We have stronger average winds on our coastline compared to China or Europe which is one reason why Australia does well in Yachting/sailing,China and Europe are what sailors consider light wind venues.

In summer we get good sea breezes at coastal areas on sunny days, inland is not as strong.
The majority of the people live near the coast where the winds are usually stronger.

I think windpower is great, i would like to install a 2.5 KW turbine in the back yard.

The trouble is that costs are not static. Some are falling and some are rising, and if you want to build a Power Station, you need to know what else is happening in power generation.

It also comes down to horses for courses. I think there is a place for all of them. It depends on which resources are available. Hydro power is limited by rainfall, but there is such a thing as pumped hydro power. There is a small pumped hydro scheme at Wivenhoe dam near Brisbane. There is no reason why Solar energy can't be stored using pumped hydro.

There is a well referenced Wikipedia article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

You can see that there is a fair bit of variety in the relative costs between different countries.

The other thing to consider in these costings is the cost of construction. Australia is the land of the ballooning cost over-runs.
Two virtually identical projects can differ in cost by as much as 200%.

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