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What do you tell your kids about AGW ???
Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm

Well I tell my kids that it can't be proven...!!!

That is.......

That manmade CO2 emissions are solely responsible for the warming of the Earth in the last 100 years.

My kids are old enough now to do their own research and I tell them that I'm what alarmists call a denier.

I don't try to influence them because they are old enough to form an opinion for themselves.

They certainly have the theory of global warming taught to them at school.

If they ask me a question like Al Gore says we are going to have sea levels rise 20 feet by the year 2100.

Here I just point out that is plain wrong not because I say so but because a British court found 9 fundamentally flawed points with Al Gore's movie an inconvenient truth.

So I tell them to go off and google it.

So do you alarmists brainwash your children into taking up the AGW religion or do you let them make up their own minds....??????

United Nations Greens - how to brainwash people into AGW
http://www.climateaccess.org/sites/default/files/Climate%20Communications%20and%...

Seriously if the science was settled you would not need to guide people into the AGW religion.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: What do you tell your kids about AGW ??? Reply #2 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 8:29pm I'm not much into home schooling. I'd tell them to pay attention in science class.
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Reply #3 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:04am

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Well I tell my kids that it can't be proven...!!!

Define "proven". In law, for example, we have standards of proof. In criminal matters, the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt". In civil matters, it's "balance of probabilities". Given the vast majority view among the best qualified, I reckon it's proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

... I'm what alarmists call a denier.

Is pointing out something that's genuinely alarming really "alarmist"? Is denying what's genuinely alarming merely setting your offspring up to deny any inconvenient truth (to coin a phrase)?

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: What do you tell your kids about AGW ??? Reply #4 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:08am Quote: I don't try to influence them because they are old enough to form an opinion for themselves. Not much of a parent then, are you?
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Reply #5 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:18am

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Well I tell my kids that it can't be proven...!!!

Define "proven". In law, for example, we have standards of proof. In criminal matters, the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt". In civil matters, it's "balance of probabilities". Given the vast majority view among the best qualified, I reckon it's proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

... I'm what alarmists call a denier.

Is pointing out something that's genuinely alarming really "alarmist"? Is denying what's genuinely alarming merely setting your offspring up to deny any inconvenient truth (to coin a phrase)?

My kids are old enough to have their own opinion.

Nothing more to be said.

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Reply #6 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:20am

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Well I tell my kids that it can't be proven...!!!

Define "proven". In law, for example, we have standards of proof. In criminal matters, the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt". In civil matters, it's "balance of probabilities". Given the vast majority view among the best qualified, I reckon it's proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

... I'm what alarmists call a denier.

Is pointing out something that's genuinely alarming really "alarmist"? Is denying what's genuinely alarming merely setting your offspring up to deny any inconvenient truth (to coin a phrase)?

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Nothing more to be said.

Ajax, your belligerent denial of science speaks volumes.

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Reply #7 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:24am

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Well I tell my kids that it can't be proven...!!!

Define "proven". In law, for example, we have standards of proof. In criminal matters, the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt". In civil matters, it's "balance of probabilities". Given the vast majority view among the best qualified, I reckon it's proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

... I'm what alarmists call a denier.

Is pointing out something that's genuinely alarming really "alarmist"? Is denying what's genuinely alarming merely setting your offspring up to deny any inconvenient truth (to coin a phrase)?

...
Nothing more to be said.

Ajax, your belligerent denial of science speaks volumes.

You do mean science that comes out of computer models and does not correlate with real world observations.

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Reply #8 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:36am

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Well I tell my kids that it can't be proven...!!!

Define "proven". In law, for example, we have standards of proof. In criminal matters, the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt". In civil matters, it's "balance of probabilities". Given the vast majority view among the best qualified, I reckon it's proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:

... I'm what alarmists call a denier.

Is pointing out something that's genuinely alarming really "alarmist"? Is denying what's genuinely alarming merely setting your offspring up to deny any inconvenient truth (to coin a phrase)?

...
Nothing more to be said.

Ajax, your belligerent denial of science speaks volumes.

You do mean science that comes out of computer models and does not correlate with real world observations.

I mean that which the vast majority of the best qualified support.

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Reply #9 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am

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I mean that which the vast majority of the best qualified support.

You mean the consensus of all the scientists on the AGW gravy train.

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That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell

So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from? It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.

Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

That anything-but-scientific survey asked two questions. The first: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?” Few would be expected to dispute this…the planet began thawing out of the “Little Ice Age” in the middle 19th century, predating the Industrial Revolution. (That was the coldest period since the last real Ice Age ended roughly 10,000 years ago.)

The second question asked: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” So what constitutes “significant”? Does “changing” include both cooling and warming… and for both “better” and “worse”? And which contributions…does this include land use changes, such as agriculture and deforestation?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-...

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Reply #10 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:06am

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

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I mean that which the vast majority of the best qualified support.

You mean the consensus of all the scientists on the AGW gravy train.

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That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell
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Of Larry Bell, sourcewatch says Quote:

Larry Bell is a weekly columnist for Forbes Magazine with no evident climate expertise who writes columns dismissing climate science[1], [2]. He is listed as author of a Jan. 2011 book titled Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax, published through the Greenleaf Book Group, a vanity press.
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Bell appears to have no background in climate science. His Forbes blurb states that "Weekly columnist Larry Bell is a professor at the University of Houston and author of Climate of Corruption"; his University of Houston professorship is in "Space Architecture", ...

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Reply #11 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:23am

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:06am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Quote:

I mean that which the vast majority of the best qualified support.

You mean the consensus of all the scientists on the AGW gravy train.

Quote:

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell
...

Of Larry Bell, sourcewatch says Quote:

Larry Bell is a weekly columnist for Forbes Magazine with no evident climate expertise who writes columns dismissing climate science[1], [2]. He is listed as author of a Jan. 2011 book titled Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax, published through the Greenleaf Book Group, a vanity press.
...
Bell appears to have no background in climate science. His Forbes blurb states that "Weekly columnist Larry Bell is a professor at the University of Houston and author of Climate of Corruption"; his University of Houston professorship is in "Space Architecture", ...

So are you saying this isn't how the consensus on AGW started...????

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Reply #12 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:28am

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:23am:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:06am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Quote:

I mean that which the vast majority of the best qualified support.

You mean the consensus of all the scientists on the AGW gravy train.

Quote:

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell
...

Of Larry Bell, sourcewatch says Quote:

Larry Bell is a weekly columnist for Forbes Magazine with no evident climate expertise who writes columns dismissing climate science[1], [2]. He is listed as author of a Jan. 2011 book titled Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax, published through the Greenleaf Book Group, a vanity press.
...
Bell appears to have no background in climate science. His Forbes blurb states that "Weekly columnist Larry Bell is a professor at the University of Houston and author of Climate of Corruption"; his University of Houston professorship is in "Space Architecture", ...

So are you saying this isn't how the consensus on AGW started...????

Are you saying it's a credible source?

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Reply #14 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 11:03am

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

Are you saying it's a credible source?

Why not.........?????????????????????????

Of Larry Bell, sourcewatch says Quote:

Larry Bell is a weekly columnist for Forbes Magazine with no evident climate expertise who writes columns dismissing climate science[1], [2]. He is listed as author of a Jan. 2011 book titled Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind The Global Warming Hoax, published through the Greenleaf Book Group, a vanity press.
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Bell appears to have no background in climate science. His Forbes blurb states that "Weekly columnist Larry Bell is a professor at the University of Houston and author of Climate of Corruption"; his University of Houston professorship is in "Space Architecture", ...

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