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Reply #165 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 8:17am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 6^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

The reason humans are not extinct is because they long ago found out the competitive advantage of exploiting the environment.

yes until there was nothing left to exploit Sad

Humans are the only living species capable of destroying the environment they live in Sad

Actually humans are just vermin !!

Speak for yourself... Grin

Life is about exploiting the environment. The best exploiters survive and evolve.

I'm sure your children & grand children, will thank you - NOT!

You are exploiting the environment right now. You are breathing in oxygen and breathing out CO2. If you stop you will croak. ALL LIFE exploits the environment. ALL LIFE is an environmental parasite.

Not all life, BUT there are certainly some who fit that criteria, some because they think they are so smart & others simply because they are so dumb!

An example of those that don't have brains, are the Bacteria that Professor Bartlet talks about in the following video.

There are also plenty of examples in the human race, of people who THINK that we are smart enough to avoid the worst of some of the apparent environmental problems, although that thinking is not backed up by history!

Btw, if you take away the bacteria in the video & replace them with humans, then ARE WE CURRENTLY ONE MINUTE TO HIGH NOON!

In saying that, let me ask those who "know better", what is an acceptable level of growth, is it -
A) 10%
B) 7%
C) 3.5%
D) 1.5%
E) 1.0%
F) Break even
G) Something less than Break even

It seems that the likes of Swaggy, Longy & Maqqy don't think they know better?

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Reply #166 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 9:12am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 6^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

The reason humans are not extinct is because they long ago found out the competitive advantage of exploiting the environment.

yes until there was nothing left to exploit Sad

Humans are the only living species capable of destroying the environment they live in Sad

Actually humans are just vermin !!

Speak for yourself... Grin

Life is about exploiting the environment. The best exploiters survive and evolve.

I'm sure your children & grand children, will thank you - NOT!

It seems that the likes of Swaggy, Longy & Maqqy don't think they know better?

For those who think Economic Growth is Great, THINK AGAIN, because Economic Growth is interlocked with Population & Energy Growth & a Goldilocks climate!

And, on the Population Growth side alone, there is no chance that the next 70 years will be anything like the last 70 years!

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 12:08am:

Growth Rate
1.00%
Whatever is being measured, Doubles every 70 years

1.50%
Whatever is being measured, Doubles @ 46 years & hits 300% after 75 years.

2.00%
Whatever is being measured, Doubles every 35 years.

3.5%
Whatever is being measured, Doubles every 20 years.

7.00%
Whatever is being measured, Doubles every 10 years.

And, if what is being measured is Global Population, then that would mean in 2083, only 70 years from now -
@ 1.00% - the Global Population would be 14 Billion
@ 1.50% - the Global Population would be closing in on 21 Billion
@ 2.00% - the Global Population would be 28 Billion
@ 3.50% - the Global Population would be closing in on 78 Billion
@ 7.00% - the Global Population would be closing in on 800 Billion

The standard Global Population Growth rate over the last 80 years or so, has been just over 1.50%.

Clearly, the planet will not support human Growth rates @ 7%, 3.5% or even 2%!

I would also suggest, it has very little chance even at 1.5% and it is even likely to struggle at 1%!

So, something/s must change and the starting points must be Politics & Economics!

And, if that start is not made soon, then we will consign our children, grandchildren & all future generations to an existence not currently conceived or no existence at all.

IT'S TIME!

PS - We need to be very careful what we ask for, particularly if we don't fully comprehend what that means!

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Reply #167 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 9:43pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

A picture paints a thousand words Wink

http://www.financialsense.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/desktop/users/u261/...

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The Really, Really Big Picture

The really big picture goes like this: Humans discovered about 400 million years worth of stored sunlight in the form of coal, oil, and natural gas, and have developed technologies that will essentially see all of that treasure burned up in just 300 to 400 years.

On the faulty assumption that fossil fuels will always be a resource we could draw upon, we fashioned economic, monetary, and other assorted belief systems based on permanent abundance, plus a species population on track to number around 9 billion souls by 2050.

There are two numbers to keep firmly in mind. The first is 22, and the other is 10. In the past 22 years, half of all of the oil ever burned has been burned. Such is the nature of exponentially increasing demand. And the oil burned in the last 22 years was the easy and cheap stuff discovered 30 to 40 years ago. Which brings us to the number 10.

In every calorie of food that comes to your table are hidden 10 calories of fossil fuels, making modern agriculture and food delivery the first type in history that consumes more energy than it delivers. Someday fossil fuels will be all gone. That day may be far off in the future, but preparing for that day could (and one could argue should) easily require every bit of time we have.

What galls me at this stage is that all of the pronouncements of additional oil being squeezed, fractured, and otherwise expensively coaxed out of the ground are being delivered with the message that there's so much available, there's nothing to worry about (at least, not yet.) The message seems to be that we can just leave those challenges for future people, who we expect to be at least as clever as us, so they'll surely manage just fine.

Instead, the chart above illustrates that on a reasonably significant timeline, the age of fossil fuels will be intense and historically quite short. The real question is not Will it run out? but Where would we like to be, and what should the future look like when it finally runs out? The former question suggests that "maintain the status quo" is the correct response, while the latter question suggests that we had better be investing this once-in-a-species bequeathment very judiciously and wisely.

Energy is vital to our economy and our easy, modern lives. Without energy, there would be no economy. The more expensive our energy is, the more of our economy is dedicated to getting energy instead of other pursuits and activities. Among the various forms of energy, petroleum is the king of transportation fuels and is indispensible to our global economy and way of life.

To what do we owe the recent explosion in technology and living standards? To me the answer is simple: energy.....

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/chris-martenson/really-really-big-pic...

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Reply #168 - Oct 9^th, 2013 at 9:45pm

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:34am:

Frances wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:37am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

the way we are going in our current form we'll be lucky to last a few hundred

Yes, if the powers that be keep trying to ignore the reality that looking after the environment we live in is more important than maintaining a AAA credit rating.....

If the powers that be don't maintain AAA credit ratings there will be no money to spend on looking after the environment.

Wink

According to Trading Economics, the following countries Debt to GDP Ratio's are -

China - 23%
France -    90%

Germany -    82%

Greece - 156%
Japan - 211%

India - 68%
Indonesia - 23%
Ireland -    117%
Italy -    127%
Norway - 28%
Portugal -    124%
Russia - 8%
Singapore -    98%

Spain -    84%
United Kingdom -    91%

United States -    102%

Zimbabwe -    151%

Australia - 21%

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/government-debt-to-gdp

According to Standard & Poors, the following countries Credit Ratings are -

China - AA-

France - AA+

Germany - AAA

Greece - B-
Japan - AA-

India - BBB-
Indonesia - BB+
Ireland - BBB+
Italy - BBB
Norway - AAA

Portugal - BB
Russia - BBB
Singapore - AAA

Spain - BBB-
United Kingdom - AAA

United States - AA+

Zimbabwe - Not Rated

Australia - AAA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating

Sovereign Credit ratings may mean many things to many people, But they certainly don't seem to follow a countries Real & Relative Debts, nor do they seem to be taking appropriate note of those countries allowing massive money printing to pay down Debt.

In short, it's all an "in house" game of BS", with certain advantages for those on the inside of the game!

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Reply #170 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 12:00am

Maqqa wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 11:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

I agree Longy, YOU ARE IN A STATE OF DENIAL!

says the drongo who STILL claims we will run out of oil in...

1985!!!!

it takes a special breed of clown to be that delusional.

PN doesn't understand between absolute theory and reality

Any finite resource has a theoretical "Peak" point - PN based this theory on oil and mucked around with dates to validate himself

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Reply #171 - Oct 10^th, 2013 at 12:01am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 11:57pm:

As usual, both Longy & maqqa are consistent, BUT CONSISTENTLY INCORRECT!!!

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 11:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

you will also not that Prozac_now never comes up with any solutions - just criticism. He hates debt and hates spending cuts. he seems to want it both ways while blaming everyone for everything.

clearly his medication is not working,

You assume too much, as usual! A solution, for everything, there is NOT!

As usual, you statements do not reflect the truth! I have no problem with Debt, Spending Cuts or Economic Stimulation measures, in the appropriate circumstances, of which there have been many, over the years, BUT NONE OF THEM WILL WORK NOW, FOR THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM, as the entire system has been destabilised over the last 40-50 years!

so in short, you are saying that you have no answers or solutions. WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, oh depressed one.

As usual, your statement is incorrect!

You said that, I never comes up with any solutions.

What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!

Btw, which of the following options, per my following post, do you think primarily fit you OR is it simply all of them?

They ("those in the know OR thought they did") thought -
1) Like Longy, it had not happened before, so it never would!
2) "Something", like the cavalry riding to the rescue, would come along to save this from becoming a reality?
3) Then there were those who deliberately turned the other way, preferring short term rewards for themselves and a select few, at great cost to the long term future of the bulk of the Local & Global Public!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374843119/16#16

you certainly are a weirdo, Prozac_now. I say you have never provided solutions and your protesting reply includes... NOT ONE SOLUTION. has it ever occurred to you that you could skewer my comments by simply providing those self-same solutions?

you talk and talk ad nauseum, criticising anyone and everyone for their economic policies and promises and yet not once, do you ever offer an alternative. That's lame enough on its own but when you say that you HAVE but never post them... you look like a weirdo.

Did you ever learn how to read Longy, I said -
"What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!"

Did you ever learn how to read Longy, I said -
"What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!"

You really do have some serious lack of capacities, in a number of areas!

How's your education going Longy?
Have you learned about the 3R's yet?
You know - Reading, Riting & Rithmetic?
Well, at least, you got a chance with the Riting, after all you are on the Rite side of politics?

all you ever is 'gah! we are all going to die'
and then say there are no solutions. Of what value do you think you are to anyone?

You are the same bozo saying we would run out of oil in 1985 and even worse... still say so

As usual Longy, YOU ARE INCORRECT!
I have never said, we are all going to die, IT IS YOU WHO JUST SAID THAT!
Also, I never said, we were going to run out of oil in 1985, BUT yes, we certainly will run out at some stage, AS OIL IS MOST DEINITELY A FINITE RESOURCE, don't you know!

And, as for solutions, apparently you still, continue to fail the 4R's -
Reading
wRiting
aRithmetic
& compRehension
So, I say again -
"What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!"

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Reply #172 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:24pm

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/US_Federal_Debt_as_Perc...

Just to provide some perspective, the above chart shows the US Federal Debt to GDP ratio, by president.

Now, I can not completely vouch for the accuracy of the chart, although it does look about right and obviously it is not up-to-date as it doesn't provide the current situation under Obama.

That said, it does reflect a few things -
1) The US & a number of other countries, are now edging close to the all time record Debt to GDP ratio, which was previously set as a result of World War2.
2) The Debt to GDP ratio then Declined after WW2, bottoming out around the end of the Nixon period, the Ford term and the Carter term and that Declining Debt to GDP ratio was achieved by both Republicans & Democrats.
3) Under the Reagan & Bush Republicans, Debt again took off in the US and a similar fate awaited Australia under Labor.
4) In the 1990's under a Democrat Clinton, Debt was "somewhat" reigned in, largely owing to an Economic Growth spurt called the Baby Boomer Boom. In Australia, under the Howard Liberals, Debt was also reduced, for similar reasons. Although the OZ Debt was reduced further than the US Debt, it could have & should have, been reduced further, as should the US Debt!
5) With the advent of 9/11, under the Republican Bush, US Debt again spiked, whereas under the Howard Liberals, OZ Debt continued to Decline.
6) With the advent of the Global Financial Crisis commencing in 2007, US Debt under the Republican Bush again spiked, as did OZ Debt under Labor.
7) The GFC has basically continued from 2007 to now and whilst the chart ceases around 2010, with Obama showing a Debt to GDP ratio of about 95%, I believe that is now about 107%.
Under Labor OZ went from about $60 Billion Debt in 2007, to about $270 Billion currently, which is about a 27% Debt to GDP ratio.

All of which says there is little difference usually, between the Right & Left of Politics, in terms of standard approaches, although circumstances can dictate some different outcomes.

That said, neither the Right, nor Left have properly provided for what was predictable & is now happening!

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Reply #173 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:26pm

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

The Currency Cost/Benefit equation

The US$index has gone from a 52 week peak of 84.75 in July, to be currently trading at 79.49.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy

The OZ$ has gone from a 52 week low against the US$ of $0.8906 in August, to currently be pushing towards $0.97.
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AUDUSD%3DX#symbol=;range=1y;compare=;indic...

Whatever one may think about the pros & the cons of having a high versus low currency value, the swings in the respective values of the US$ & the OZ$ over recent months, is certainly indicative of the perceptions on how each Economy is going, relative to each other!

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Reply #174 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:47am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 11^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 11^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 5:24pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

unbelievable... just one month after the election, Abbott has already started reducing unemployment.

is he good or what???

Unbelievable, Yes!

Good or what, No!

Your double standards are unbelievable, because
it takes time, quite a good deal of time, to start having an effect, as you have pointed out in reverse
, Abbott & the Liberals have barely arrived, they've said next to nothing & actually done even less!

Given time, the answer on whether Abbott & the Liberals are Good or not will become apparent. That said, the likely Global Economic directions would suggest that the Liberals, Abbott & the OZ Public are in for a torrid & essentially downhill ride!

and yet ANOTHER clown!!!

no surprises on this one tho.

So, let me get this straight, even though Abbott & the Liberals, had only been in power for 3 weeks, had said & done virtually nothing, you're are saying they are already in total control and They (Abbott & the Libs) should get total credit because something went Right?

Is that what you're really wanting to claim?

Just be aware, there is a screaming need to be aware of what you ask for, because you just may get it!

Because, when things start going downhill and they will, you will have nowhere to hide, because you're saying Abbott & the Libs are in total charge and therefore They ( Abbott & the Libs) will also be responsible for the downside!

wow... you are dumber than I thought. you don't get 'irony' at all , do you? Mind you, it has been obvious that for a long time, pinhead/nedwin, you only EVER 'get' your own opinion. you don't understand anything outside of that.

you are a dolt and an illiterate buffoon. unfortunately being thus, this entire post and thread will escape you!

Really, so which part is "irony" , which part is me being wrong & which part are you Right in???

listen pinhead... go to the OP. read my comments and THEN try and work it out. unbelievably (for you that is) it has NOTHING to do with anything you have said.

*face palm*

So, YOU don't want to clarify, WHAT IS SPIN & WHAT IS REALITY!

Let me clarify things, a little, YOU HAVE NFI ABOUT MOST THINGS, BUT PARTICULARLY ABOUT ECONOMIC ISSSUES.

So, you try to SPIN your way around and if that doesn't succeed, you then use abuse, as your first line of defense, which is pretty much where most of your posts go to, straight away!

Oh & you still haven't clarified, what is "irony", which part is me being wrong & which part are you Right in.

But, there again, I suspect you won't, because then it would expose your SPIN & lack of knowledge!

Still no clarity Longy? Not that I'm expecting any!

You still can't make your mind up on what is "irony", what I had wrong, what you had Right (If any), what was Reality & what was simply more SPIN from you?!

Still no clarity Longy?

You still can't make your mind up on what is "irony", what I had wrong, what you had Right (If any), what was Reality & what was simply more SPIN from you?!

I must admit, you are living up to my expectations, ALL SPIN & NO SUBSTANCE!

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Reply #175 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:49am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 11^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

To put this Rorting, in some sort of context, let me say -
1) I would be "somewhat" surprised, if the vast majority of Politicians, from all party's, have not dipped their snouts into the Expenses Rorting trough &/or other Rorts, on a number of occasions.
2) Whilst the number of Coalition members mentioned, is more than their Labor counterparts at the moment, I'm sure that over time, it has &/or will, balance out.
3) Whilst the emphasis at the moment, is on those with BIG snouts, I would also call into question those in power previously (both Labor & Liberal), for why there was a proper system & checks in place & why they did not ensure that all Politicians were ONLY GETTING WHAT WAS FAIR & REASONABLE in expenses & why there has been insufficient checks on other Rorting, such as that in NSW Labor!
4) I would also call into question, WHY THE "RESPONSIBLE" PUBLIC SERVICE OFFICIALS DID NOT PICK UP ALL OF THIS CRAP & ENSURE IT WAS OFFICIALLY REPORTED!!!
5) I have little confidence, that either or both, the Liberals &/or Labor will pursue these issues, WITH SUFFICIENT VIGOR, UNLESS THEY GET REPEATED & ALMIGHTY SHOVES, FROM THE PUBLIC.
So, give it to them!!!

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Reply #176 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:51am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

The Economy of a Country, can not turn on a dime, it can not brake like a V8 Super car!

It's more like a large ocean liner, it takes distance/time to turn and it will continue to move in in the same direction, for quite some time, after the propellers are put into full reverse!!

That said, the basic Global Economic Drivers are now slowing & are set to go into reverse, so no matter what actions are taken by the Australia government and no matter whichever Political Party is in control, Economic Growth like it was in the last half of last century, simply can not be repeated again, so we will need to view Politics & Economics is a very different light!!!

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Reply #177 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:53am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 9:34am:

Whether we believe or not, whether "we think" it is Real or not, all actions & in-actions have Consequences & given the best information currently available, from the best scientific sources, if we fail to take Local & Global mitigating actions on Climate Change, then it is likely that we will bear some "unwanted" Consequences, for all!

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Reply #178 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:58am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 8:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 7:40pm:

My opinion is based on commonly accepted science you fool.

Here's a question then -

The actions you take now - when do you think it will impact earth's climate temperature?
Next week?

Do you understand a thing called environmental lead-in time?

That is quite correct, Andrei.

There are lead times, in Environmental issues & with Economics, to name but a few!

Of course, with those and other issues, whilst you may start out with long term lead times, if no mitigation steps are taken, then eventually what was a possible or likely long term impact, suddenly becomes today's or tomorrow's Reality?

That's what has already happened with Economic issues affected by Demographics, Energy, rising Debt & changing Climate AND that's what is likely to happen increasing, over the coming decades as Climate Change affects the human Environment directly & indirectly, with the final costs being enormous in terms of Human lives lost, plus the human property & Economy destroyed!

But, it's also likely that neither I & possibly you & many others, younger than I, will be around to witness all or even most of that destruction, so who cares, so long as WE get what WE want, NOW?

Well, I have a son & a daughter and they have children and most of them will be around to witness what happens.

So Yes, I care & so should YOU & every other human on this planet!

We may or may not be solely responsible for this mess, But we sure as hell have contributed to it & our contribution has not been as insignificant as Maqqa & some of the other idiots of self interest claim AND THEREFORE WE OWE IT TO THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY TO MITIGATE, AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, TO OFFSET AGAINST THE WORST OF THE POSSIBLE CLIMATE CHANGE LIKELY OUTCOMES, AS PER THE BEST SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION AVAILABLE!

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Reply #179 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:00am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 12:35am:

True Colours wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:02pm:

When he does speak, he seems to get it wrong anyway.

Quote:

Australia's Immigration Minister has released details of an incident involving Papua New Guinean police and military personnel on Manus Island.

Scott Morrison initially said the incident saw detention centre staff moved onto HMAS Choules.

He then issued a statement saying workers had not been moved onto the Navy ship but refused to provide any other details.

He has now revealed staff at the detention centre were told on Friday about a disturbance between PNG police and military personnel.

It is believed the trouble started the night before and Mr Morrison says it appears the defence personnel were seen carrying rocks and sticks.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2013-10-20/australias-immigration-minister-reveals-details-of-manus-island-incident/1207250

I saw an interview, I think on the ABC 7.30 Report, where Morrison said there was an incident between the PNG military & the PNG Police, But when asked if he knew any more, he said no, that's all the information that he had be provided with.

To which I would say, THAT IS PURE BULL!

If there had been an incident, which was sufficient for local Australian camp staff to contemplate evacuation, as has been suggested, then the immediate responsible minister & indeed the Foreign minister & Prime Minister should be aware of all of the circumstances immediately, which is probably the case or they should cause immediate inquiries to be made, so that they can be so informed!

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