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Aug 24th, 2013 at 4:44pm
 
Is it fair that if a neighbour kills your cat because it's on his property ~ then it's fair for you to shoot his caged parrots in his backyard ~ (from your side of the fence) ~ because of the constant racket that you have to listen to, all day, every day?

To me, it's a no-brainer.

A quiet cat sniffing around innocently, and for only a few moments in someone's backyard, is infinitely less of an imposition upon the residents than someone having to put up with the daily screeching and squawking from Peach-faces and cockatoos.

My choice of weapon?

A 12-gauge shotgun if you can't find a blunderbuss.





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Reply #1 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:28pm
 
Did one of your cats get killed Herbert?

If a neighbour did this - how?

The problem is they don't sniff around innocently. I used to get extremely annoyed with neighbours' cats on my property. At one time I had a lot of exotic birds and it was quite stressful seeing some cat climbing up the side of an aviary while the birds crashed all over the place in terror. One neighbour's cat used to climb onto my garage and hide under an overhanging bush then jump out suddenly and catch unsuspecting birds. She'd see me coming and run for her life.

Back then I might have considered killing these cats if I had something quick and painless to do the job. It's easier to be kinder to starving strays than fat, bored cats from good homes.

About ten minutes ago - I walked out to my back verandah and all I could smell was tom cat. Some male has just sneaked up and sprayed my garden chairs. The stench is horrible.  Angry

Some people might find that a reason to kill.
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Reply #2 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:51pm
 
your cat should not be in his yard ... it gets whatever it deserves.
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Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 6:50pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
Did one of your cats get killed Herbert?


Good Lord no!

But I have had two of my cats killed in the past by neighbours.

mantra wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
At one time I had a lot of exotic birds and it was quite stressful seeing some cat climbing up the side of an aviary while the birds crashed all over the place in terror.


Sorry ... but cats are a fact of life, and if you have exotic birds in the backyard, then the cage should be up on stilts with a protective guard around it.

I personally could easily make a cage full of birds safe from straying cats.

mantra wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
One neighbour's cat used to climb onto my garage and hide under an overhanging bush then jump out suddenly and catch unsuspecting birds.


Sparrows, Indian Mynahs, and a whole host of other introduced birds are culled by domestic cats, giving the indigenous birds more nesting space and more food to eat.

mantra wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
Back then I might have considered killing these cats if I had something quick and painless to do the job.


My old Italian neighbour happily told me she drowns her cat's kittens by the bucket-load. Saves on vet's fees...

mantra wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
About ten minutes ago - I walked out to my back verandah and all I could smell was tom cat. Some male has just sneaked up and sprayed my garden chairs. The stench is horrible


Solution: ~ Get yourself a 'Bombay' male like I have. (Half Burmese, half American Short-Hair). You won't see another male come onto the property for the rest of ...

My Sooty has been a Godsend. Before Sooty arrived, my other two were always being chased and beaten up by a neighbour's particularly vicious female cat.

mantra wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
Some people might find that a reason to kill.


If there's no solution ~ then okay ~ warn the neighbour of the consequences if they don't restrain the cat, or else ...

Incidentally, Councils will act if you report a troublesome cat. They will personally visit the owners and explain the problem, and tell them that if it continues the cat will be confiscated.
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Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 6:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:51pm:
your cat should not be in his yard...


Wrong.

It is understood by the majority in society that cat-ownership is part of our culture, and as such we all have an obligation to be tolerant of the occasional and temporary trespass of neighbours' cats on our property.

That's called 'Having a civilised degree of tolerance for the occasional inconveniences that come with living in a residential environment'.

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:51pm:
it gets whatever it deserves.


And by the same token ~ you then have every right to put a sudden stop to the racket made by a cage full of parrots that are a damned distraction every time you venture into your own backyard to relax in your outdoor furniture with family and friends.

His noise is not only in your yard ~ but can be heard while you're in your house.

I'm speaking hypothetically here.

Council rules on neighbour's noise states that if the enjoyment of ones  property is reduced by a neighbour's persistent noise output, then this constitutes an offence under the Noise Abatement Act.

A load of buckshot traveling at 200mph with a fan-spray parameter of 90° and at an angle to the crosswind of precisely 4.7minutes NNE can bring great relief to ones auditory nerves ...

(I'm only speaking hypothetically here, Lady Mantra. I wouldn't actually shoot the birdies).







. I'd shoot the owner.  Grin
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Reply #5 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:28pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 6:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:51pm:
your cat should not be in his yard...


Wrong.

It is understood by the majority in society that cat-ownership is part of our culture, and as such we all have an obligation to be tolerant of the occasional and temporary trespass of neighbours' cats on our property.

That's called 'Having a civilised degree of tolerance for the occasional inconveniences that come with living in a residential environment'.


John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 5:51pm:
it gets whatever it deserves.


And by the same token ~ you then have every right to put a sudden stop to the racket made by a cage full of parrots that are a damned distraction every time you venture into your own backyard to relax in your outdoor furniture with family and friends.

His noise is not only in your yard ~ but can be heard while you're in your house.

I'm speaking hypothetically here.

Council rules on neighbour's noise states that if the enjoyment of ones  property is reduced by a neighbour's persistent noise output, then this constitutes an offence under the Noise Abatement Act.

A load of buckshot traveling at 200mph with a fan-spray parameter of 90° and at an angle to the crosswind of precisely 4.7minutes NNE can bring great relief to ones auditory nerves ...

(I'm only speaking hypothetically here, Lady Mantra. I wouldn't actually shoot the birdies).







. I'd shoot the owner.  Grin


I agree, a national initiative to cull ferals is one thing, killing a cat in suburbia is just sociopathic. The people are to blame, not the cats, they are just being what they are.
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Reply #6 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
I agree, a national initiative to cull ferals is one thing, killing a cat in suburbia is just sociopathic. The people are to blame, not the cats, they are just being what they are.


It's the petty intolerance of the occasional cat's visit that pisses me off about some people's attitude.

When I moved in here, my next door neighbours had their flower beds covered in chicken-wire, for chrissake. They said it was to stop the cats digging up the flower beds.

Dear o dear o dear ....

In no time I had all this chicken wire put in the bin for the local tip.

I then cut some straight lengths of thin branches from their tall hibiscus bush in their backyard ~ and stuck these into the flower beds in strategic places.

I told them the cats were doing them a favour whenever they came over to dig up the ground ~~ aerating and fertilising the soil.

They thanked me profusely, and ever since then they've had the most wonderful and prolific flower display in the front garden, year in and year out.

The males pee on the sticks, and the females aerate and fertilise the soil.

Cats are now very welcome to visit their garden.


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Reply #7 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 9:37pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 6:54pm:
Wrong.It is understood by the majority in society that cat-ownership is part of our culture, and as such we all have an obligation to be tolerant of the occasional and temporary trespass of neighbours' cats on our property.


Wrong.  Cats are tolerated by most of society, and adored by the minority who love them. I have no problem with cats in general. I've owned many cats and even shed a tear or two over them. However, as a pet owner it is your responsibility to ensure you pet does not encroach on somebody else's property. I can't let my pit-bull into your yard, what makes you think your cat any different?

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 6:54pm:
And by the same token ~ you then have every right to put a sudden stop to the racket made by a cage full of parrots that are a damned distraction every time you venture into your own backyard to relax in your outdoor furniture with family and friends.


sure, complain to your local council ... most councils have procedures in place to deal with noisy pets.

By the way, if that's your argument, you are a dam hypocrite. You had a go at me because I once said I didn't want my lounge furniture covered in cat hair, and yet a squaking bird stops you enjoying your lounge? Get real.
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Reply #8 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:44pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
I agree, a national initiative to cull ferals is one thing, killing a cat in suburbia is just sociopathic. The people are to blame, not the cats, they are just being what they are.


It's the petty intolerance of the occasional cat's visit that pisses me off about some people's attitude.

When I moved in here, my next door neighbours had their flower beds covered in chicken-wire, for chrissake. They said it was to stop the cats digging up the flower beds.

Dear o dear o dear ....

In no time I had all this chicken wire put in the bin for the local tip.

I then cut some straight lengths of thin branches from their tall hibiscus bush in their backyard ~ and stuck these into the flower beds in strategic places.

I told them the cats were doing them a favour whenever they came over to dig up the ground ~~ aerating and fertilising the soil.

They thanked me profusely, and ever since then they've had the most wonderful and prolific flower display in the front garden, year in and year out.

The males pee on the sticks, and the females aerate and fertilise the soil.

Cats are now very welcome to visit their garden.




You can get some very nasty diseases from cats crapping in your garden bed. I hope you told them to wear gloves.

It is fair and legal for your neighbour to kill your cat if it wanders onto their property. Whether they can shoot it depends on whether you are allowed to fire guns in the area - ie not in residential areas. In residential areas, just hand it over to the pound. They will either put it down or return it to the rightful owner, for an appropriate fee.
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Reply #9 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 11:10pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
I agree, a national initiative to cull ferals is one thing, killing a cat in suburbia is just sociopathic. The people are to blame, not the cats, they are just being what they are.


It's the petty intolerance of the occasional cat's visit that pisses me off about some people's attitude.

When I moved in here, my next door neighbours had their flower beds covered in chicken-wire, for chrissake. They said it was to stop the cats digging up the flower beds.

Dear o dear o dear ....

In no time I had all this chicken wire put in the bin for the local tip.

I then cut some straight lengths of thin branches from their tall hibiscus bush in their backyard ~ and stuck these into the flower beds in strategic places.

I told them the cats were doing them a favour whenever they came over to dig up the ground ~~ aerating and fertilising the soil.

They thanked me profusely, and ever since then they've had the most wonderful and prolific flower display in the front garden, year in and year out.

The males pee on the sticks, and the females aerate and fertilise the soil.

Cats are now very welcome to visit their garden.




Cat ownership is more of a juvenile cult than anything else, there is no sense to it at all and neighbours are well within their rights to be irate about the effects of cat ownership culture. That doesn't make the murdering of stray cats any more despicable by the sociopaths looking for excuses to do it.
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Reply #10 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 7:37am
 
The RSPCA murders more cats than anyone else.
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Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
I agree, a national initiative to cull ferals is one thing, killing a cat in suburbia is just sociopathic. The people are to blame, not the cats, they are just being what they are.


How many people own a dog?

Lots.

That alone keeps the cats away.

How many own a male cat? Again ~ neighbourhood cats soon learn to stay away.

How many people keep caged birds chirping in the backyard that attract the local moggies? Only a very few people.

How many have their garden beds ruined by cats : Answer ~ Zero.
(Aerating and fertilising these beds is not 'ruining' them).

How many people have a culturally-inspired cruel-streak towards cats? Answer ~ A great many.

Male urine odour can be dealt with simply and effectively using a citronella spray bought at the local pet shop. Males soon lose interest in sniffing around your place.

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One solution I've employed to get rid of a neighbour's nuisance cat is to trap it in a cat-trap cage ($60 at your local hardware shop) ~ and take the cat to the vets, telling them it's a stray.

9 times out of 10 the cat owners haven't had it microchipped ... and so it gets collected by the council from the vets - or gets euthanized by the vets. (Didn't cost me a cent).

Problem solved.

People's hysteria about the occasional cat walking onto their property is little more than territorial aggression on the part of the home owner. It has nothing to do with being intelligent or reasonable ~ but everything to do with unleashing the bastard within.

Most people live their lives as subordinates to bosses, and laws, and rules, and other people, and schedules, and job requirements, and discipline, etc... so when a cat comes strolling onto their property they jump at the opportunity to play the role of GOD ALMIGHTY so far as the poor hapless cat is concerned.

I've got a little Arab guy who lives around the corner who gets his jollies by throwing bricks at any cats that come onto his property.

Sad little people with monumental inferiority complexes that get momentarily salved by beating up on neighbourhood cats.

I'm sure you're not one of them, are you John Smith?   Cool





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Reply #12 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 8:23am
 
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One solution I've employed to get rid of a neighbour's nuisance cat is to trap it in a cat-trap cage ($60 at your local hardware shop) ~ and take the cat to the vets, telling them it's a stray.

9 times out of 10 the cat owners haven't had it microchipped ... and so it gets collected by the council from the vets - or gets euthanized by the vets. (Didn't cost me a cent).


So you still want the cats dead, you just don't want people doing it in a "hysterical" manner?
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Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 11:10pm:
Cat ownership is more of a juvenile cult than anything else, there is no sense to it at all


Grin Wrong! Cat ownership is far less 'juvenile' than owning a dog that's going to make you feel appreciated and important all the time.

Generally speaking cats are selfish little buggers who will cuddle up to you only when they feel like it.

I believe pet ownership develops maturity of character and generosity of spirit in children. Their attention is removed from themselves onto a defenceless creature in their care. They learn love from this.

Cat-ownership is a tool of learning for children in the family home.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 11:10pm:
and neighbours are well within their rights to be irate about the effects of cat ownership culture.


On a list of what can annoy you about your neighbours ~ your cat occasionally straying onto their property would rate around 5 or 6 in the annoyance ratings.

Having to suffer routine and persistent loud and intrusive noise coming across from the neighbours would rate right up there at the top of the list.

Then there's the smoke and the stink from backyard burning in which oil rags and god-knows-what-else has been tossed onto the fire.

Then we have the charmers who use treated timbers for their house-warming wood-burners ~ stinking the neighbourhood out.

Then there's the arsehole with his noisy power-tools who spends hours each week making wooden benches and whatever for sale to a contracted buyer. For hours each week you sit in your home listening to the high-pitched sounds of his blades and orbital sanders working on the wood.

Then there's the sociopath who enjoys his dog barking loudly, aggressively, and persistently at every sound and movement in the street.

And of course, there's the household that can't live without a 100Watt Sound System pumping out Ghetto rap all ... day .... long.

Then there's the neighbour with the squawking parrot in the backyard ... screeching all ... day ... long.

Then there's the neighbours whose kids play soccer in the backyard ~ with the ball crashing against the sheet-metal colorbond fencing fit to make you jump in your seat.

And the kid who bounces a basket-ball on his concrete driveway ... hour ... after hour ... after hour ...

Let's not forget the neighbour with the backyard swimming pool who pays for the pool's treatments by leasing it out to the public whose small children scream and shriek in it all day long on Saturdays and Sundays when its open to them.

The truckie in your street? We used to have a pig who ran the refrigeration unit on his enormous 14-wheeler for hours each evening ~ a constant humming sound as you sat in your lounge room.

Someone's beautiful little cat quietly tippy-toeing onto a neighbour's property ~ a big deal? Are you kidding me?

I have a neighbour opposite me who runs an ancient airconditioner until the early hours of the morning. Sometimes I wear ear-plugs to get to sleep.

And then we have the arseholes who take off in their cars in the early morning dark with a roar of the engine. Also had a guy do this every morning with his motorbike. And the moron who used to beep his car horn every morning in the dark to say "Bye!" to his wife standing at the front door.

Generally speaking, people are inconsiderate pigs.
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Reply #14 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 9:06am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 8:49am:
On a list of what can annoy you about your neighbours


It's not about what annoys you about your neighbours. Neighbours can do whatever they like within certain guidelines, as long as they don't infringe on your own rights.

Cats wondering onto my yard, pissing on my plants & shedding hair on my furniture infringe on my own ability to use and enjoy my yard as I see fit. It's very dam simple. ... I don't want your cat in my yard. I'm not sure why you feel your cat has a right to do what it likes in my yard. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if I sent my pitbul into your yard. Don't be a hypocrite just because you cannot control your cats.
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