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Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

I think it will for two main reasons:

1. Issues polling in the recent past indicates that all environment issues, including climate change, are now very much lower order priorities in the community. This is in stark contrast to what the position was 3 or 5 years ago.
This would suggest that the very reason for voting Green is now less of a priority for many people. Not for the rusted on but for maybe the 2 or 3% first time Green voters last time.

2. The association with the minority Gillard government, which was obviously increasingly unpopular, must have some adverse effect on how people look at the Greens as a party.
In addition, there are quite a few decisions Rudd has taken which will alienate those who might have been voting Green but who will now look elsewhere rather than see their votes flow through to Labor. Very few people are savvy enough to decide their own preference flow.

I would not be surprised to see the Green vote go back some 3% from where it was last time, which is going to add to Labor's 2PP problems.

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Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Reply #2 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:11pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

I think it will for two main reasons:

1. Issues polling in the recent past indicates that all environment issues, including climate change, are now very much lower order priorities in the community. This is in stark contrast to what the position was 3 or 5 years ago.
This would suggest that the very reason for voting Green is now less of a priority for many people. Not for the rusted on but for maybe the 2 or 3% first time Green voters last time.

2. The association with the minority Gillard government, which was obviously increasingly unpopular, must have some adverse effect on how people look at the Greens as a party.
In addition, there are quite a few decisions Rudd has taken which will alienate those who might have been voting Green but who will now look elsewhere rather than see their votes flow through to Labor. Very few people are savvy enough to decide their own preference flow.

I would not be surprised to see the Green vote go back some 3% from where it was last time, which is going to add to Labor's 2PP problems.

At least check your facts before you write lies.
" very few people are savvy enough to decide their own preferences" LIE.
The majority of people decide their own preferences, there was even a thread about it here last week, god you're dumb. Roll Eyes

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Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Reply #3 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:13pm

NASA predicts 8 degrees of warming in the US by 2100
Posted on July 29, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/29/nasa-predicts-8-degrees-of-warming-in-the-...

It's the long game ...

Both olds don't want to confront the sheer complexity and challenge that inaction will cost to our society and economy by not acting fast.

Short term politics is not a part of the Greens' agenda.

From the destruction of Australia by the olds, Greens will pick up the pieces.

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Reply #4 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

Rudd finds CSG on mind of locals

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd told people in Lismore that 3000 frontline health worker jobs will go under Tony Abbott.

But locals at the NSW north coast town were more inflamed by another issue - coal seam gas (CSG).

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/08/19/rudd-finds-csg-mind-locals

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/08/19/rudd-finds-csg-mind-locals

CSG is another awaking giant.

Both olds ganged up and classified coal gas as a renewable and so gave CSG access to cash from the renewable energy grants, so squeezing out the renewables of the future.

The destruction of our country and our agricultural sector and fresh water via fracking will be another nail in the olds' coffins.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143553 Gender:	Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced? Reply #5 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:25pm skippy. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:11pm: At least check your facts before you write lies. " very few people are savvy enough to decide their own preferences" LIE. The majority of people decide their own preferences ... Not in the Senate, they don't.
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Reply #6 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

At least check your facts before you write lies.
" very few people are savvy enough to decide their own preferences" LIE.
The majority of people decide their own preferences ... Roll Eyes

Not in the Senate, they don't.

A little over 96% of voters cast above the line Senate votes at the 2010 Federal election, and that number is, if anything, only going to increase thanks to an explosion in the number of new parties since then.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/senate-preferences-might-not/1989433/

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De-registered User Gold Member Offline Posts: 1029	Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced? Reply #7 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:31pm Most people have seen how the Greens have not only screwed a government but also helped screw a great country. The greens wont be forgiven for a long time. When the new government is form in September the Greens will have suffered such a huge battering, they will have to change their party name.
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Reply #8 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:32pm

____ wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

At least check your facts before you write lies.
" very few people are savvy enough to decide their own preferences" LIE.
The majority of people decide their own preferences ... Roll Eyes

Not in the Senate, they don't.

A little over 96% of voters cast above the line Senate votes at the 2010 Federal election, and that number is, if anything, only going to increase thanks to an explosion in the number of new parties since then.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/senate-preferences-might-not/1989433/

Yep, people just love giving away their preferences.

Fools.

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Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Reply #9 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm

De-registered User wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Most people have seen how the Greens have not only screwed a government but also helped screw a great country. The greens wont be forgiven for a long time.

When the new government is form in September the Greens will have suffered such a huge battering, they will have to change their party name.

How have the Greens screwed Labor or the country?

Rather that make baseless comments and run for the hills, have the guts to defend.

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Reply #10 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:36pm

De-registered User wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Most people have seen how the Greens have not only screwed a government but also helped screw a great country.

This is still a great country.

How, exactly, has it been "screwed"? What's changed for the worse in your life, for example?

Moreover, why do you live here if it's so bad?

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Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Reply #11 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:38pm

____ wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

De-registered User wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Most people have seen how the Greens have not only screwed a government but also helped screw a great country. The greens wont be forgiven for a long time.

When the new government is form in September the Greens will have suffered such a huge battering, they will have to change their party name.

How have the Greens screwed Labor or the country?

Rather that make baseless comments and run for the hills, have the guts to defend.

Yep, we the people will defend this great country of mine at the next election. So stick that up your ass!

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Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Reply #12 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:43pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Issues polling in the recent past indicates that all environment issues ... are now very much lower order priorities
in the community.
This is in stark contrast to what the position was 3 or 5 years ago.

If TRUE - that's a VERY sad day for Australia, indeed
It's certainly not something to GLOAT about

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Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Reply #13 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:45pm

De-registered User wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

____ wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

De-registered User wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Most people have seen how the Greens have not only screwed a government but also helped screw a great country. The greens wont be forgiven for a long time.

When the new government is form in September the Greens will have suffered such a huge battering, they will have to change their party name.

How have the Greens screwed Labor or the country?

Rather that make baseless comments and run for the hills, have the guts to defend.

Yep, we the people will defend this great country of mine at the next election. So stick that up your ass!

Thanks for the admittance that your comments are of no substance.

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Re: Will the Green vote be greatly reduced?
Reply #14 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:55pm

De-registered User wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

____ wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

De-registered User wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Most people have seen how the Greens have not only screwed a government but also helped screw a great country. The greens wont be forgiven for a long time.

When the new government is form in September the Greens will have suffered such a huge battering, they will have to change their party name.

How have the Greens screwed Labor or the country?

Rather that make baseless comments and run for the hills, have the guts to defend.

Yep, we the people will defend this great country of mine at the next election. So stick that up your ass!

Ah, so it hasn't been screwed.

Glad we cleared that up.

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