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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Fashion of the moment - is Abbott right? Reply #30 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:03pm If pm's are supposed to deal with the big issues, why did Howard change it in the first place? Shouldn't he have left it and been dealing with the big issues?
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Reply #31 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:30pm

Verge wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

If pm's are supposed to deal with the big issues, why did Howard change it in the first place? Shouldn't he have left it and been dealing with the big issues?

he was and did. all the time. But what other policies has Rudd announced since the election - real policies.... yep. gay marriage.

big frigging deal.

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Reply #32 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 10:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

PMs are supposed to deal with the big issues.

Apparently, it IS a "big issue"

Leaders' debate Twitter chatter peaks during gay marriage discussion

Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:45pm AEST

Australians sent more than 75,000 tweets during Sunday night's leaders' debate between Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

The social networking service tracked 31 debate-related keywords and found the hottest topics in debate-related tweets were: energy and climate; the economy; and immigration.

Tweets hit a peak of 1,952 per minute at 7:25pm AEST, when Mr Abbott was discussing same-sex marriage.

The next-highest peaks were 1,517 tweets per minute during discussion of the budget and the National Broadband Network, followed by 1,488 tweets per minute during debate about asylum seekers.

Twitter says 30 per cent of debate-related tweets referenced @TonyAbbottMHR, 25 per cent referenced @KRuddMP and 9 per cent referenced both leaders.

The ABC conducted an experimental Twitter tug-o-war during the leaders' debate, asking people to vote for who they thought was winning using the hashtags #DebateRudd and #DebateAbbott.

More than 500 responses were received; half an hour after the debate ended 72 per cent of respondents said Mr Rudd had won, compared to 28 per cent for Mr Abbott.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-11/leaders-debate-kevin-rudd-tony-abbott-twit...

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Re: Fashion of the moment - is Abbott right?
Reply #33 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:54am

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

PMs are supposed to deal with the big issues.

Apparently, it IS a "big issue"

Leaders' debate Twitter chatter peaks during gay marriage discussion

Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:45pm AEST

Australians sent more than 75,000 tweets during Sunday night's leaders' debate between Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

The social networking service tracked 31 debate-related keywords and found the hottest topics in debate-related tweets were: energy and climate; the economy; and immigration.

Tweets hit a peak of 1,952 per minute at 7:25pm AEST, when Mr Abbott was discussing same-sex marriage.

The next-highest peaks were 1,517 tweets per minute during discussion of the budget and the National Broadband Network, followed by 1,488 tweets per minute during debate about asylum seekers.

Twitter says 30 per cent of debate-related tweets referenced @TonyAbbottMHR, 25 per cent referenced @KRuddMP and 9 per cent referenced both leaders.

The ABC conducted an experimental Twitter tug-o-war during the leaders' debate, asking people to vote for who they thought was winning using the hashtags #DebateRudd and #DebateAbbott.

More than 500 responses were received; half an hour after the debate ended 72 per cent of respondents said Mr Rudd had won, compared to 28 per cent for Mr Abbott.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-11/leaders-debate-kevin-rudd-tony-abbott-twit...

and it was dealt with in parliament only recently. How about we revisit it in another 5 years say? We have waited over 10 years to revisit the Republic and that isn't even yet on the agenda and the republic affects 100% of people while gay marriage is 0.7% of the population.

its a matter of priorities.

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Reply #34 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:01am

So your saying that we can't look at more than 1 thing at a time?

It may have been voted on recently, however until it passes as an issue it (and we) won't go away.

As a taxpayer I agree there are more important issues which is why I can't understand the opposition.

Get it passed, people get married and we can move on to "more important things!"

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Reply #35 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:07am

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

So your saying that we can't look at more than 1 thing at a time?

It may have been voted on recently, however until it passes as an issue it (and we) won't go away.

As a taxpayer I agree there are more important issues which is why I can't understand the opposition.

Get it passed, people get married and we can move on to "more important things!"

from what I read a lot of Labor members wont vote for it either...not everyone is in favor in fact I think its more the other way.....why they are against it.. doesnt make a lot of sense to me....but dont take it as its only the Liberal Party that wont vote for it.......because that isnt so..

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Reply #36 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:23am

cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:07am:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

So your saying that we can't look at more than 1 thing at a time?

It may have been voted on recently, however until it passes as an issue it (and we) won't go away.

As a taxpayer I agree there are more important issues which is why I can't understand the opposition.

Get it passed, people get married and we can move on to "more important things!"

from what I read a lot of Labor members wont vote for it either...not everyone is in favor in fact I think its more the other way.....why they are against it.. doesnt make a lot of sense to me....but dont take it as its only the Liberal Party that wont vote for it.......because that isnt so..

A lot of labor members are against it, and a lot are for it ... no one is trying to say they should vote yes for it. On matters like this no one should dictate how you vote. It should be a matter based on your or your constituents beliefs each MP should decide how they vote based on their own principles.. the libs should allow a conscience vote so that the matter is resolved one way or the other ... not allowing a conscience vote on the matter means the issue will never go away

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Re: Fashion of the moment - is Abbott right?
Reply #37 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:30am

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:23am:

cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:07am:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

So your saying that we can't look at more than 1 thing at a time?

It may have been voted on recently, however until it passes as an issue it (and we) won't go away.

As a taxpayer I agree there are more important issues which is why I can't understand the opposition.

Get it passed, people get married and we can move on to "more important things!"

from what I read a lot of Labor members wont vote for it either...not everyone is in favor in fact I think its more the other way.....why they are against it.. doesnt make a lot of sense to me....but dont take it as its only the Liberal Party that wont vote for it.......because that isnt so..

A lot of labor members are against it, and a lot are for it ... no one is trying to say they should vote yes for it. On matters like this no one should dictate how you vote. It should be a matter based on your or your constituents beliefs each MP should decide how they vote based on their own principles.. the libs should allow a conscience vote so that the matter is resolved one way or the other ... not allowing a conscience vote on the matter means the issue will never go away

it is part of Liberal Party Policy by all accounts I wouldnt know I am not a member...but if you are for it... and want it bad enough dont vote liberal...because they have made their stand on it...it isnt up to Abbott whether they have a conscience vote its up to the party..

is it really an issue that should just be passed to get rid of it????

lets get on with the real business........ I dont know do we have polls on whether we should allow gay marriage????.....or are they only which PM do you prefer sort of polls.???..

maybe they should find out what the majority want and not just what a certain minority tell us they want.. Cheesy

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77732 Gender:	Re: Fashion of the moment - is Abbott right? Reply #38 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:34am cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:30am: it isnt up to Abbott whether they have a conscience vote its up to the party.. you don't think that if Abbott says no, the party is inclined to fall in line? Especially with an election coming up?????
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Reply #39 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:38am

cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

........ I dont know do we have polls on whether we should allow gay marriage????.....or are they only which PM do you prefer sort of polls.???..

maybe they should find out what the majority want and not just what a certain minority tell us they want.. Cheesy

It appears that they do:

http://www.australianmarriageequality.com/wp/who-supports-equality/a-majority-of...

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Reply #40 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:48am

Oh Dear!!!!!

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/liberal-mp-nick-goirans-bizarre-g...

"A LIBERAL Upper House MP has linked gay marriage to incest in a speech in Parliament this week.
Upper House Member Nick Goiran raised a hypothetical scenario in the speech about a half brother and sister who wanted to marry.: Shocked

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77732 Gender:	Re: Fashion of the moment - is Abbott right? Reply #41 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:51am maybe he thinks incest is to become the next fashion statement? Maybe he wants to set the fashion instead of simply following it ... I don't think you should condemn the man for voicing his opinions bigvic
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Vic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8394 Melbourne Victoria Gender:	Re: Fashion of the moment - is Abbott right? Reply #42 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:53am John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:51am: maybe he thinks incest is to become the next fashion statement? Maybe he wants to set the fashion instead of simply following it ... I don't think you should condemn the man for voicing his opinions bigvic I shudder at the thought of bonking my sister!!!!
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Reply #43 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:58am

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

I remember in 2007 Rudd jumped on the Kyoto bandwagon and look at what happened?

(1) Great moral challenge of our time
(2) There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead

I remember in 2007 - Rudd said he wants to get rid off the Pacific Solution (close down Nauru) and look at what happened

(1) 55,000 illegals later
(2) PNG Solution
(3) Nauru Solution
(4) Malaysian Solution

Both policies were the result of "fashion of the day"

When the reality comes home to roost - Australia realised LIBs was and is right

Abbott has the courage to tell it like it is

Rudd is a coward

I agree... athough lately Rudd has been somewhat brave also.

Rudd has already tabled his intent to tax every person in Australia who has savings account funds so as to ensure he has money set aside to save banking institutions should there be a run on the banks.

In short, Rudd ( as PM ) has had the chance to look at the books, he's realised that in true Labor fashion we're virtually on skid row and so he's had to issue a warning that he can already forsee the possibility of what's happened overseas ( ie in Europe ) will also happen here .. and so he needs to prepare for the inevitable financial deluge which lies ahead.

FEDERAL LABOR HAVE ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO STUFF UP ECONOMICALLY. THAT IS WHY THEY MUST NOT BE VOTED BACK INTO OFFICE IN 2013. FACT!

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Reply #44 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

I remember in 2007 Rudd jumped on the Kyoto bandwagon and look at what happened?

(1) Great moral challenge of our time
(2) There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead

I remember in 2007 - Rudd said he wants to get rid off the Pacific Solution (close down Nauru) and look at what happened

(1) 55,000 illegals later
(2) PNG Solution
(3) Nauru Solution
(4) Malaysian Solution

Both policies were the result of "fashion of the day"

When the reality comes home to roost - Australia realised LIBs was and is right

Abbott has the courage to tell it like it is

Rudd is a coward

I agree... athough lately Rudd has been somewhat brave also.

Rudd has already tabled his intent to tax every person in Australia who has savings account funds so as to ensure he has money set aside to save banking institutions should there be a run on the banks.

In short, Rudd ( as PM ) has had the chance to look at the books, he's realised that in true Labor fashion we're virtually on skid row and so he has to issue a warning that he can forsee the possibility of what has happened overseas ( ie in Europe ) .. and he needs to prepare for the inevitable financial deluge which lies ahead.

FEDERAL LABOR HAVE ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO STUFF UP ECONOMICALLY. THAT IS WHY THEY MUST NOT BE VOTED BACK INTO OFFICE IN 2013. FACT!

sically alluded to the fact that he knows we're in the poo,

even if that were true, which by the way it isn't even close to being true, do you think $100 B in unfunded spending promises is the way to fix the problem? Because that's exactly what Abbotts doing ...

he wants to buy your vote with money he says we don't have .... and you, being such a bright spark, think that it's a great idea

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