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Reply #75 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST. people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST.

Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little.

At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people.

These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase.

you are a complete wanker. I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense. Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA. It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there.

Switch to insults when you can not dispute the fact that what I say is correct.

its very easy to dispute what you say. In fact as regards the GST you get just about everything wrong. you hate it. you hate howard and you hate Abbott. that pretty much affects every post and every thought you have. So you just make crap up. It was well discussed at the time that the well-off would end up paying more in tax than they did before because now a 10% tax applied to a lot of things there was nothing on before - expensive items the rich bought.

and you are still a wanker because where the GST is concerned, your hands remain firmly in your pants while you continually fabricate 'facts' in total conflict with truth. you and Bob Ellis really would have a great old time together sharing your bitter hatred of Libs and celebrating each others total disinterest in truth, logic or mental health.

It's you that's making things up LW (as always)
Everything that was sold prior to the GST had some form of tax included be it sales tax and or wholesale tax.
The biggest items to rise in cost was services, electricity 10% more on the bill, Gas 10% more there was no tax on these services before but luxury items cars big Tv's and so on dropped in price.

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Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise.
Reply #76 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:02pm

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

could you be any stupider...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

if we need to increase the GST, then why?

because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt...

you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's...

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc....

so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place...

because of dickheads in Labor...

its not rocket surgery...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

I think you have your arguments mixed up?

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

I am not aware of one pink bat being removed.

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc

That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value.

could you be any stupider

If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way.

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Reply #78 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

could you be any stupider...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

if we need to increase the GST, then why?

because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt...

you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's...

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc....

so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place...

because of dickheads in Labor...

its not rocket surgery...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

I think you have your arguments mixed up?

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

I am not aware of one pink bat being removed.

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc

That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value.

could you be any stupider

If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way.

are the old 'good value' argument. $600,000 for a canteen the size of a single carport and it didn't even have aircon. the design fee for this? $110,000!!!!

ever built a house? What do you think you would get for $600K? let's be generous and say that since it is a govt job the price is doubled. what do you think you could build for $300K? any way you look at it, the cost for a single small room was monstrously inflated.

the reason the govt says that it was 'good value' is because A) the policy actually worked (they were able to build them) and B) no one died doing it.

By ALP standards it was perhaps a stellar success. but by any half-reasonable determination it was a grossly over-inflated project of building things that may or may not have been needed with little to no attention to value-for-money at all.

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Reply #79 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:12pm

I'm not opposed to increasing the GST if we get something back for it .... I'd be happy for GST to be applied across the board on all consumables, and scrap income tax and stamp duty. Or at least make income tax free up to $1m per year. Of course, company tax shall remain as is. Of course, pensions and unemployment benefits will need to be adjusted accordingly.

This would see a boost in revenue to govt. and more disposable income to everyone.

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Reply #82 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

could you be any stupider...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

if we need to increase the GST, then why?

because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt...

you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's...

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc....

so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place...

because of dickheads in Labor...

its not rocket surgery...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

I think you have your arguments mixed up?

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

I am not aware of one pink bat being removed.

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc

That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value.

could you be any stupider

If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way.

are the old 'good value' argument. $600,000 for a canteen the size of a single carport and it didn't even have aircon. the design fee for this? $110,000!!!!

ever built a house? What do you think you would get for $600K? let's be generous and say that since it is a govt job the price is doubled. what do you think you could build for $300K? any way you look at it, the cost for a single small room was monstrously inflated.

the reason the govt says that it was 'good value' is because A) the policy actually worked (they were able to build them) and B) no one died doing it.

By ALP standards it was perhaps a stellar success. but by any half-reasonable determination it was a grossly over-inflated project of building things that may or may not have been needed with little to no attention to value-for-money at all.

oh please, you have one or two examples across the whole country that you keep repeating as if it was common.. when in fact your example is the exception.

I can tell you that under Fahey (NSW) I painted a govt. property 3 times in one month ... and got paid 3 times for the same property. Of do you think lib governments don't waste money?

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Reply #83 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:29pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:

I'm not opposed to increasing the GST if we get something back for it .... I'd be happy for GST to be applied across the board on all consumables, and scrap income tax and stamp duty. Or at least make income tax free up to $1m per year. Of course, company tax shall remain as is. Of course, pensions and unemployment benefits will need to be adjusted accordingly.

This would see a boost in revenue to govt. and more disposable income to everyone.

I agree with John there.

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Reply #84 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:39pm

I see longy has deleted his post where he said to Bobby "and you said the same thing about keating and Howard and look what happened there, second biggest defeat in history".

Tell me longy did you delete the post because you wanted to take it easy on bobdown, or was it because you were caught out once again making false statements about what people have said?

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Reply #85 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:19pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

could you be any stupider...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

if we need to increase the GST, then why?

because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt...

you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's...

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc....

so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place...

because of dickheads in Labor...

its not rocket surgery...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

I think you have your arguments mixed up?

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

I am not aware of one pink bat being removed.

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc

That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value.

could you be any stupider

If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way.

can't argue with that last point highlighted..

the old sales Tax put up to 26% tax on some foods and items while others had nil%

so... my point is... the GST IS a fairer tax... that it puts just 10% across the board...

except across some food items... which is should be applied to...

your argument about the GST is taking money off the poor to give directly to the rich is just too stupid to even engage... if you realised this you'd retract your stupid comments...

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Reply #86 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

salad in wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!"

We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates.

Paul Keating:

Quote:

Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody.

and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to. he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome. Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was.

Abbott is no match for Keating -

Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive.

It would have been a no contest.

you said the same about Howard and look how that worked out. keating was flogged by the second biggest margin EVER

I rest my case. Grin

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Reply #87 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:30pm

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In March 2010 the Federal Government announced a proposal to remove foil insulation or make it safe from 50,000 houses and undertake another 150,000 inspections.[

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On 22 April 2010, the then Minister Assisting the Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, Greg Combet, announced that the Federal Government would abandon the scheme that was planned to replace the Home Insulation Program. Combet also revealed that about half of the 73,000 rebate claims did not comply with the program rules. The replacement scheme was axed after advice from former Secretary of the Defence Department, Dr Allan Hawke.[19] The cost of the Home Insulation program was estimated to have cost around $1 billion and another $1 – $1.5 billion was needed to rectify the problems associated with the program

more wasted Tax Payers $$$

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In May 2010, the Federal Government announced that it would give cash handouts of up to $500,000 to insulation companies affected by the abolition of the rebate scheme. Combet said applications had opened for a $15 million compensation fund.

it just goes on and on and smacking on.... why would any halfwit vote for this mob...

would you like me to go on Dnarever ... i'll smacking bury you under a mountain of Labor waste pal...

wake up you nincompoop... Angry

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Reply #88 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:38pm

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

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In March 2010 the Federal Government announced a proposal to remove foil insulation or make it safe from 50,000 houses and undertake another 150,000 inspections.[

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On 22 April 2010, the then Minister Assisting the Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, Greg Combet, announced that the Federal Government would abandon the scheme that was planned to replace the Home Insulation Program. Combet also revealed that about half of the 73,000 rebate claims did not comply with the program rules. The replacement scheme was axed after advice from former Secretary of the Defence Department, Dr Allan Hawke.[19] The cost of the Home Insulation program was estimated to have cost around $1 billion and another $1 – $1.5 billion was needed to rectify the problems associated with the program

more wasted Tax Payers $$$

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In May 2010, the Federal Government announced that it would give cash handouts of up to $500,000 to insulation companies affected by the abolition of the rebate scheme. Combet said applications had opened for a $15 million compensation fund.

it just goes on and on and smacking on.... why would any halfwit vote for this mob...

would you like me to go on Dnarever ... i'll smacking bury you under a mountain of Labor waste pal...

wake up you nincompoop... Angry

mob?

guess who's been reading Murdock's papers? Grin

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Reply #89 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:45pm

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The third and final report by Brad Orgill found that BER projects in NSW, QLD and VIC overpaid for buildings by more than 25% on average compared to Catholic schools and more than 55% compared to Independent schools

of course the schools were happy with only about 3% of complaints... but they got a new building for NOTHING... who would complain?

but the report by Brad Orgill shows the REAL WASTE...

Education Revolution.. pfft.. since this debacle Australian Education standard have actually gone backwards on world standings...

not one kid got smarter with the billions of dollars Labor have thrown at schools... why?

because they have no plan, they have no standards, they have no programs to educate, test and measure performances and to find out whats going wrong..

they just throw money at IT and hope for the best...

I've never seen a worse government in the History of Australia..

they couldn't run their fingers up their own bums let alone run a country... Angry

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