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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #60 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 6:47pm But my guess? 4.3 to 1
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #61 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 6:51pm I say no chance. WA will not agree to a rate increase while they are getting screwed over. The rest of the states would never agree to give WA a better share.
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Reply #62 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 6:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST. people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST.

Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little.

At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people.

These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase.

you are a complete wanker. I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense. Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA. It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there.

Switch to insults when you can not dispute the fact that what I say is correct.

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Reply #63 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:02pm

Torpedo wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

We are not talking about Gillards broken promise here its about the Never ever GST under any government I lead tax. The biggest new tax we were ever promised we would never ever have tax.

The GST was announced before Howard won the election, he never said never ever, quite the contrary.
But your labor, if you are so generous, why don't you abolish the GST? Oh no, you'd rather have another tax on something, and whinge and whinge about the GST, which you keep forgetting to remove, why would you, it's nice to have it in your fat little pockets, isn't it?

he never said never ever, quite the contrary.

Sorry but you are 100% wrong.

If I were a conservative this is the point where I would not be saying you are wrong but accusing you of lying. But not being a conservative I can leave the door open to assume that you just don't know what you are talking about.

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He issued a four-sentence statement saying, "Suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at any time in the future. It is completely off the political agenda in Australia." Later that day, confronted by a clamouring press pack, he compounded the lie. Asked if he'd "left the door open for a GST", Howard said: "No. There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy."

Q: "Never ever?" Howard: "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/17/1092508474312.html

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Reply #64 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:11pm

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Some people have short memories or don't want to acknowledge this!!

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #65 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!"
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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #66 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates.
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #67 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm The odds of events occurring in my thread is greater than that of the GST increasing
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Reply #68 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

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Architecture of Australia's tax and transfer system

Box 10.5: Administration of the GST base

Clauses 32‑36 of the Intergovernmental Agreement on the Reform of Commonwealth‑State Financial Relations set out the administration arrangements applying to the GST. Any change to the rate or the base of the GST must be unanimously agreed by the Australian government and all the States. Purely administrative changes only require the majority support of the Australian government and the States.

These arrangements mean that the base and rate of the GST have been more stable than otherwise may have been the case. The rate of the GST has remained unchanged since introduction eight years ago. This compares to countries such as New Zealand and South Africa, which increased their rates of similar value added taxes within three years of introduction. Further, there have been no major changes to the GST base since its introduction, which again is unusual when compared to other countries such as South Africa (where products such as basic foods and paraffin have been made GST free) and France (where the entire value added tax system was revised).

The terms of reference for this review exclude examination of the rate and base of the GST.

http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/content/Paper.aspx?doc=html/publications/papers...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #69 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:28pm salad in wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates. Paul Keating: Quote: Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody.
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Reply #70 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST. people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST.

Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little.

At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people.

These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase.

you are a complete wanker. I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense. Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA. It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there.

Switch to insults when you can not dispute the fact that what I say is correct.

its very easy to dispute what you say. In fact as regards the GST you get just about everything wrong. you hate it. you hate howard and you hate Abbott. that pretty much affects every post and every thought you have. So you just make crap up. It was well discussed at the time that the well-off would end up paying more in tax than they did before because now a 10% tax applied to a lot of things there was nothing on before - expensive items the rich bought.

and you are still a wanker because where the GST is concerned, your hands remain firmly in your pants while you continually fabricate 'facts' in total conflict with truth. you and Bob Ellis really would have a great old time together sharing your bitter hatred of Libs and celebrating each others total disinterest in truth, logic or mental health.

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Reply #71 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

salad in wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!"

We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates.

Paul Keating:

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Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody.

and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to. he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome. Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was.

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Reply #72 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

could you be any stupider...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

if we need to increase the GST, then why?

because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt...

you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's...

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc....

so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place...

because of dickheads in Labor...

its not rocket surgery... Shocked

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Reply #73 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

salad in wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!"

We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates.

Paul Keating:

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Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody.

and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to. he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome. Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was.

Abbott is no match for Keating -

Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive.

It would have been a no contest.

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Reply #74 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

salad in wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!"

We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates.

Paul Keating:

Quote:

Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody.

and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to. he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome. Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was.

Abbott is no match for Keating -

Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive.

It would have been a no contest.

you said the same about Howard and look how that worked out. keating was flogged by the second biggest margin EVER

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