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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98211	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #150 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:32am That’s true, Milky, but the old boy’s a big fan of Voltaire. He had the.privalege of studying at the University of Balogney, so he’s quite an expert on all this.
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Reply #151 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:11pm

"We are from Allah and to Allah we shall return. I am informing all brave Muslims of the world that the author of The Satanic Verses, a text written, edited, and published against Islam, the Prophet of Islam, and the Qur'an, along with all the editors and publishers aware of its contents, are condemned to death. I call on all valiant Muslims wherever they may be in the world to kill them without delay, so that no one will dare insult the sacred beliefs of Muslims henceforth. And whoever is killed in this cause will be a martyr, Allah Willing. Meanwhile if someone has access to the author of the book but is incapable of carrying out the execution, he should inform the people so that [Rushdie] is punished for his actions. Rouhollah al-Mousavi al-Khomeini."

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44069	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #152 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:57pm Vergentis in senium By Pope Pious III, a Papal Bull, to city of Viterbo in 1198. It laid the foundation for the Inquisition. In it he declared heresy "treason to God" and it was to be treated in exactly the same way as treason to one's King. All heretics were to be "done unto death" for their crime.
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Reply #153 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Vergentis in senium By Pope Pious III, a Papal Bull, to city of Viterbo in 1198. It laid the foundation for the Inquisition. In it he declared heresy "treason to God" and it was to be treated in exactly the same way as treason to one's King. All heretics were to be "done unto death" for their crime.

And when was the last time the pope called for the execution of heretics, Brain?

Or are you not allowed to say because you are not a catholic or a royalist and so can't criticise Ctholics or royalists for their laws??

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Reply #154 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:59pm

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Vergentis in senium By Pope Pious III, a Papal Bull, to city of Viterbo in 1198. It laid the foundation for the Inquisition. In it he declared heresy "treason to God" and it was to be treated in exactly the same way as treason to one's King. All heretics were to be "done unto death" for their crime.

And when was the last time the pope called for the execution of heretics, Brain?

Or are you not allowed to say because you are not a catholic or a royalist and so can't criticise Ctholics or royalists for their laws??

Immaterial, you asked for my thoughts on that Fatwa pronounced against Salmein Rushdie, Soren. I replied with proof that Christians have done similar things. Does that mean I agree with either pronouncement or are you, as usual leaping to conclusions? Roll Eyes

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Reply #155 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 11:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Vergentis in senium By Pope Pious III, a Papal Bull, to city of Viterbo in 1198. It laid the foundation for the Inquisition. In it he declared heresy "treason to God" and it was to be treated in exactly the same way as treason to one's King. All heretics were to be "done unto death" for their crime.

And when was the last time the pope called for the execution of heretics, Brain?

Or are you not allowed to say because you are not a catholic or a royalist and so can't criticise Ctholics or royalists for their laws??

Immaterial, you asked for my thoughts on that Fatwa pronounced against Salmein Rushdie, Soren. I replied with proof that Christians have done similar things. Does that mean I agree with either pronouncement or are you, as usual leaping to conclusions? Roll Eyes

I think the point is, instead of just agreeing that beardy weirdies announcing a global death sentence on a bloke just because he wrote a book (and this incident occurring in our times) is a pretty frigging offensive thing to do,you decided to reach back to 1198 and say the equivalent of, "quick, look over there".

It added nothing but does add to your continuing efforts to diminish any blame accruing to the beardy weirdies who kill those who offend them by writing stuff they don't like.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #156 - Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 12:02am THe West never kills people because of their views? Why was Anwar Awlaki killed by the US? Why did Bradley Manning face a possible death penalty? Typical Western hypocrisy: "killing is bad (unless we are doing the killing)"
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Reply #157 - Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 12:11am

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Vergentis in senium By Pope Pious III, a Papal Bull, to city of Viterbo in 1198. It laid the foundation for the Inquisition. In it he declared heresy "treason to God" and it was to be treated in exactly the same way as treason to one's King. All heretics were to be "done unto death" for their crime.

And when was the last time the pope called for the execution of heretics, Brain?

Or are you not allowed to say because you are not a catholic or a royalist and so can't criticise Ctholics or royalists for their laws??

Frederick the Great had his cheesemaker boiled to death in 1756 for attempted poisoning.

Can’t say that - I’m not a Hun. Could you do the honours, old chap?

Let’s put this one to rest, once and for all.

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Reply #158 - Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 12:30am

True Colours wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 12:02am:

THe West never kills people because of their views?

Why was Anwar Awlaki killed by the US?

Why did Bradley Manning face a possible death penalty?

Typical Western hypocrisy: "killing is bad (unless we are doing the killing)"

Actually the hypocrisy is in not condemning unjustifiable deaths.

I understand real politik is played by all players. It is not pretty but seems to be the feature of our species as soon as we organise into the smallest groups and begin the scramble for resources be it land, access to water or even women.

Within that context wars and conflicts occur, some more or less justified, all to be judged within the restrictions of its time and within the moral confines of those waging those wars. Especially when cultures overlap those moral confines get messy, as what is appropriate to one culture is terrible to anothers, and there arises the history wars.

But what is particularly idiotic is something as patently obviously odious to most normal sensibilities (and yes, I am aware I am exposed to criticism here and I accept that) is for an ordinary secular western person when confronted with a situation where a writer is condemned for writing a novel, is condemned to death, in some cases by people who haven't even read the novel and the usual and reflexive action of the left, is not to say, poo, yeah that is bad, but to say, hey back in 1198 Christians did something similar.

It adds nothing but it does attempt to diminish a modern culpability by comparing it to an ancient one. If nothing else it is reflexive and lazy. At best it gives the impression that the modern writer is excusing a modern atrocity.

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Reply #159 - Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 9:28am

True Colours wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 12:02am:

THe West never kills people because of their views?

Why was Anwar Awlaki killed by the US?

Why did Bradley Manning face a possible death penalty?

Typical Western hypocrisy: "killing is bad (unless we are doing the killing)"

We are talking about religiously motivated killings. And what's in the balance?

A current Islamic fatwah against a writer plus innumerable terrorist attacks on civilians in the name of Islam on the one hand - versus a papal pronouncement from the 12th century standing in for the Western equivalent. Just stupid and spineless.

Focus: the pertinent fact is: only Islam continues to kill heretics and others in the name of Allah.

But Brain is incapable of bringing himself to conclude that this is a bad thing because he is not a Muslim. This is correctly identified as spineless.
You do not see the point because you are a little dim and Karnal pretends not to see it because otherwise he couldn't pretend to be as dim as you.

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Reply #160 - Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 10:18am

Soren wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 9:28am:

True Colours wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 12:02am:

THe West never kills people because of their views?

Why was Anwar Awlaki killed by the US?

Why did Bradley Manning face a possible death penalty?

Typical Western hypocrisy: "killing is bad (unless we are doing the killing)"

We are talking about religiously motivated killings.

Are we?

Can't do that, old chap. You can only discuss Lutheran motivated killings.

Unless, of course, you want to broaden the discussion to Freudian motivated killings.

Where there was id, there shall ego be, eh?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #161 - Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm I can see you gesticulating but I don't know what the hell you are trying to say. Probably nothing, just making your usual unvoiced linguolabial trill.
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Reply #162 - Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 1:32pm

Soren wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

I can see you gesticulating but I don't know what the hell you are trying to say.

Sorry, old chap, that's my fault. Counter-transference, what.

What I meant to say is you can discuss Lutheran motivated killings. Unless, of course, you want to broaden the discussion to Freudian motivated killings.

But feel free to discuss anything on your mind.

Linguolabial trill, eh? Tell me more.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #163 - Oct 6^th, 2013 at 3:36pm Violence? Terrorism? Islam has nothing to do with it! Quote: *In Tripoli, a source close to Libi has told AFP he had been "kidnapped close to his home after dawn prayers by a group of armed men".* A very pious mass-murderer. Attends the mosque knowing that Allah approves of his activities. source
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #164 - Oct 6^th, 2013 at 9:31pm Are Muslims (believers in Islam) retarded?
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