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Reply #45 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:44am
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 7:29pm:
On June 22, 1945, the Emperor told the Big Six members of his Cabinet: "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily started and efforts made to implement them. It was agreed to seek Soviet aid to end the war. Source: Wikipedia.

On July 12, Foreign Minister Togo wrote to Sato, Japanese Ambassador to Moscow: "It is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift end to the war." Source: www.spectacle.org.

The Americans had broken most Japanese codes and knew what was going on.


that's not the words of surrender.  not even close.
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Reply #46 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:47am
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Hirohito had already made the decision and the Americans knew it. They remain the only nation to use nuclear weapons, hardly an act of which to be proud.


it took them 9 days after Hiroshima to surrender.  that alone tells you how likely they were to surrender without a second bomb.

it was justified.
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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #47 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 10:28am
 
They were cruel barbarians who indulged in officially sanctioned torture and the most horrible of war crimes against the Chinese and the allies and were fully supported by their civilian populace. zero sympathy for the Japanese or the Germans.
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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #48 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 10:46am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian.

The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?


Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war


So they all deserve to die?


My position is: If by sacrificing a few 'civilians' this strategy will shorten the war and save countless lives ~ then I believe this to be a legitimate and moral alternate to letting the war drag on with further loss of life, both civilian and military.


So you are justifying targeting women and children with nukes.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
Does the same logic apply to the nations that started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?


How about you say a few words about how it was that during the Bosnian War Christian fighter pilots were strafing and dropping bombs onto Christian militia on behalf of Muslim Bosnians? Not a problem?


How about you stop deflecting and answer the question. You said it is OK to nuke the civilians of aggressors. So are you happy to apply the same standard to the people that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Or are you a hypocrite?


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Was Saddam Hussein running a 'just-and-fair' Police State regime before the US & Co engineered a Representative Democracy in that country in which 8 million of its citizens lined up voluntarily to vote in their very first democratic election?


Let's be honest Herbert, the justification that Bush and Howard gave us for going to war was WMDs - which turned out to be a lie.

The US-led invasion has only brought chaos and turmoil to the country because the US destroyed all the institutions that kept order in the country. The US made sure that the Iraqi army was completely disbanded and prevented anyone connected o the Baathist Party (which was most people) from entering politics. This all guaranteed the rise to power of extremist Iranian-backed Shi-ite groups.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
America ~ 'The Great Satan' ~ right?


Here is a list of countries that the US has attacked since 1890. You can ask them.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
What do you think the Egyptian mobs have been trying to achieve


The removal of the US-financed (to the tune of $1bn per year) military dictators.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
What do you think the American intervention in Afghanistan is attempting to achieve...?


US hegemony.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Tell me True Colours ~ who is feeding your Muslim brain with hate messages about the US being the enemy of Islam?


Who is feeding your fascist brain with hate messages about Muslims?
Rupert Murdoch? Alan Jones? the EDL? Q Society?


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Going through life with such a resentful and distorted view of the realities will not make for a happy life.

THINK FOR YOURSELF

I sincerely hope that you take your own advice.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
You've obviously been coached and tutored to believe that everything the Americans do is a plot against Muslims.


No. I believe that they are equal-opportunity destroyers.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
The current US president is pro-Palestinian.


Garbage.

"We will stand steadfast with Israel..."
- Obama

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
I see people like you as being far more loyal to the politics of Islam than you being loyal to Australia continuing as a secular Western democracy


You and Murdoch are traitors who put the interests of other countries before Australia's. I want what is best for Australia. You do not.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
You people (not all) are very definitely sleeper-moles for the advancement of Islam in Australia. Ultimately you would like to see Islam predominate as the premier dominant political force in this country.


I think you just need to exchange me for Abbott, and Islam for Catholicism, and you would hit the nail on the head

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
A great many of you should be in internment camps for exactly the same reason as the Italians and Germans were interned during the war.


Locking up people based on religion. See you and Hitler have so much in common.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
When the chips are down, and some megalomaniac chooses to invade Australia ~ you'll be down at the American Embassy in Canberra with all the rest of us, begging the ambassador to tell the US administration to send troops to save our arse.


Anyone who thinks that the US will help Australia out is deluded. The US is motivated primarily by self-interest.
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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #49 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:46pm
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 10:46am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian.

The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?


Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war


So they all deserve to die?


My position is: If by sacrificing a few 'civilians' this strategy will shorten the war and save countless lives ~ then I believe this to be a legitimate and moral alternate to letting the war drag on with further loss of life, both civilian and military.


So you are justifying targeting women and children with nukes.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
Does the same logic apply to the nations that started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?


How about you say a few words about how it was that during the Bosnian War Christian fighter pilots were strafing and dropping bombs onto Christian militia on behalf of Muslim Bosnians? Not a problem?


Let's be honest Herbert, the justification that Bush and Howard gave us for going to war was WMDs - which turned out to be a lie.

The US-led invasion has only brought chaos and turmoil to the country because the US destroyed all the institutions that kept order in the country. The US made sure that the Iraqi army was completely disbanded and prevented anyone connected o the Baathist Party (which was most people) from entering politics. This all guaranteed the rise to power of extremist Iranian-backed Shi-ite groups.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
America ~ 'The Great Satan' ~ right?


Here is a list of countries that the US has attacked since 1890. You can ask them.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
What do you think the Egyptian mobs have been trying to achieve


The removal of the US-financed (to the tune of $1bn per year) military dictators.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
What do you think the American intervention in Afghanistan is attempting to achieve...?


US hegemony.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Tell me True Colours ~ who is feeding your Muslim brain with hate messages about the US being the enemy of Islam?


Who is feeding your fascist brain with hate messages about Muslims?
Rupert Murdoch? Alan Jones? the EDL? Q Society?


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Going through life with such a resentful and distorted view of the realities will not make for a happy life.

THINK FOR YOURSELF

I sincerely hope that you take your own advice.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
You've obviously been coached and tutored to believe that everything the Americans do is a plot against Muslims.


No. I believe that they are equal-opportunity destroyers.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
The current US president is pro-Palestinian.


Garbage.

"We will stand steadfast with Israel..."
- Obama

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
I see people like you as being far more loyal to the politics of Islam than you being loyal to Australia continuing as a secular Western democracy


You and Murdoch are traitors who put the interests of other countries before Australia's. I want what is best for Australia. You do not.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
You people (not all) are very definitely sleeper-moles for the advancement of Islam in Australia. Ultimately you would like to see Islam predominate as the premier dominant political force in this country.


I think you just need to exchange me for Abbott, and Islam for Catholicism, and you would hit the nail on the head

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
A great many of you should be in internment camps for exactly the same reason as the Italians and Germans were interned during the war.


Locking up people based on religion. See you and Hitler have so much in common.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am:
When the chips are down, and some megalomaniac chooses to invade Australia ~ you'll be down at the American Embassy in Canberra with all the rest of us, begging the ambassador to tell the US administration to send troops to save our arse.


Anyone who thinks that the US will help Australia out is deluded. The US is motivated primarily by self-interest.


don't be so stupid as to compare Iraq and japan.
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Reply #50 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:01am
 
On TV SBS tonight:


http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/event.aspx?program_id=269202&event_id=54442685&re...

Quote:
Hiroshima: The Next Day

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9.40pm - 10.40pm
SBS ONE
Tonight

The atomic bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, 1945 was a moment that changed the world. The power that fuelled the stars had been unleashed and turned into a lethal technology. In this program, survivors describe their own experiences of the explosion, while scientists break down the bomb's devastating effects: radiation, heat, blast and fire. The film also considers the other legacies of Hiroshima: the long-term effects of radiation and the lasting implications of humanity's newfound power to destroy the world



Today - August the 9th marks the anniversary of Nagasaki.
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Reply #51 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:48am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 10:46am:
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Who is feeding your fascist brain with hate messages about Muslims?
Rupert Murdoch? Alan Jones? the EDL? Q Society?


Getting nervous, are you?

None of the above. It's Muslims themselves who are informing me of how I should view them.

'All your own work' ~ you could say.

But what really pisses you people off is that the previous PC censorship of negative news stories about immigrant Muslim mischief has slowly been eroding over the past few years because of the sheer volume of anti-social activities emanating out of immigrant Muslim communities.

You preferred it far more when the cowards of the media kept a lid on reporting Immigrant Muslim Mischief.

So now you people blame the messengers ~ Alan Jones et al ~ not because they tell lies, but because they no longer baulk at telling the truth.   

Switched on the 6 o'clock Ch9 news last night. Yes, you guessed it. Within 10 minutes there were two stories of Muslims Getting up to Mischief in Sydney. Shootings, and sundry violence.

Quote:
Approximately 3.4% of Sydney's population are Muslims ...


And let's not forget that this 3.4% are WAY more saturated from birth with Islamic religiosity and identity than their Christian counterparts. 

source.

The whole damn lot of you should be shipped offshore to a detention centre for sorting out and re-distributing to other countries which will take you.

You people are a Biblical plague upon this nation ~ making the goddamn news every night of the year.

If this 3.4% minority were English Christians I would be saying exactly the same thing: Get rid of them.

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Why not be honest for a change, True Colours?

Do you believe even for the briefest moment that a Middle Eastern Muslim country would put up with a tiny minority of immigrant Christians filling their jails; being the leaders in the Unemployment Dole ratings; the leaders in Welfare rorts of one kind and another; criminal gangs; drugs-and-illegal-firearms; nightly news of violence on the streets of the cities... etc ?

Any sane government would mount a major internal Home Affairs operation to deport the troublemakers, and the criminals, and the radical imams ~ out of the country.

Ask ANY Muslim in Australia what punishment they believe would be the greatest threat to the mischief-makers and the criminals in their community, and with one voice they would say: "Deportation".

Jail holds no fears for Muslim troublemakers in Australia.
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Reply #52 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 12:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:01am:
Today - August the 9th marks the anniversary of Nagasaki.


A day of celebration for this action having saved countless thousands of lives across the Pacific and China.

Soldiers, navy personnel, airforce personnel, PoWs outside and inside of the Japanese mainland, and God knows how many civilian Japanese as the allies would fight house-by-house, town-by-town against fanatical resistance from the remnants of the Nipponese army.

It was only a short time later that due to the courage it took to drop those bombs there were scenes of celebration in Sydney's George Street, Trafalgar Square in London, and Times Square in New York.

We also owe a debt of thanks to those unfortunate souls who perished in these strategic bombings that were designed to put an abrupt end to the war.

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Reply #53 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 12:22pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:01am:
Today - August the 9th marks the anniversary of Nagasaki.


A day of celebration for this action having saved countless thousands of lives across the Pacific and China.

Soldiers, navy personnel, airforce personnel, PoWs outside and inside of the Japanese mainland, and God knows how many civilian Japanese as the allies would fight house-by-house, town-by-town against fanatical resistance from the remnants of the Nipponese army.

It was only a short time later that due to the courage it took to drop those bombs there were scenes of celebration in Sydney's George Street, Trafalgar Square in London, and Times Square in New York.

We also owe a debt of thanks to those unfortunate souls who perished in these strategic bombings that were designed to put an abrupt end to the war.




You are forgetting that it also started a cold war that nearly killed all of us.
We still live with nukes over our heads every day.
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Reply #54 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm:
You are forgetting that it also started a cold war that nearly killed all of us.


What horrifies me is that the pressing of a nuclear war button ultimately rests with the president of the US.

It's a HUGE flaw in the system that such a decision rests with a single individual who can be harboring any kind of impulsive madness in his subconscious. 

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm:
We still live with nukes over our heads every day.


It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it?

Bobby ~ wouldn't it be boring if all we had hanging over our head was bat sh*t in the evenings when the flying-foxes return to their roosts?  Cool

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Reply #55 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:30pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm:
You are forgetting that it also started a cold war that nearly killed all of us.


What horrifies me is that the pressing of a nuclear war button ultimately rests with the president of the US.

It's a HUGE flaw in the system that such a decision rests with a single individual who can be harboring any kind of impulsive madness in his subconscious. 

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm:
We still live with nukes over our heads every day.


It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it?

Bobby ~ wouldn't it be boring if all we had hanging over our head was bat sh*t in the evenings when the flying-foxes return to their roosts?  Cool




You should not joke about the end of the world.
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Reply #56 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:48pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm:
We still live with nukes over our heads every day.


It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it?




Kinda miss the old days when we were nuclear capable and Amberly was one of half a dozen first strike target in Australia. Good thing brisbane decided to become a nuclear free zone during the 80s otherwise they could have been in trouble.  Smiley


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Reply #57 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 3:25pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm:
We still live with nukes over our heads every day.


It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it?




Kinda miss the old days when we were nuclear capable and Amberly was one of half a dozen first strike target in Australia. Good thing brisbane decided to become a nuclear free zone during the 80s otherwise they could have been in trouble.  Smiley





Don't worry - Pine Gap would still be on the Russian & Chinese list.
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Reply #58 - Aug 9th, 2013 at 3:47pm
 
Oh boo-dam-hoo
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