True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:


Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war of annihilation and cruel dictatorship over sovereign nations. Who do you think gave succor, and comfort, and encouragement to the Japanese soldiers when they were on home leave?

Who do you think would have benefited if Japan had won the war?

The citizens of an aggressor nation are very much involved in providing comfort and assurance to their solders.

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But sadly, True Colours ~ you don't really give a cracker one way or the other about the rights and wrongs of the situation.

As a Muslim ~ your only interest is to condemn America with whatever your Islamic instincts can drag up for you.

It's as a Muslim that you are motivated to condemn America in sympathy with your 'brothers' overseas.

And it's for this reason that I see people like you as being 5th columnists living amongst us like snakes in the grass.

As a Muslim you would know that our politicians and prime ministers since the end of WW2 have been pathetically weak individuals with no guts, no balls, no manhood.

Feeble, limp-wristed prostitutes to the Ethnic Vote since the end of the war.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:



Yes - Stalin was the reason that it was dropped.

That is my considered conclusion too.

Crimes against humanity - so were the massacres of prisoners, the killing of missionaries in New Guinea including children, the vile acts perpetrated against native populations (who responded after the Bismark Sea Battle by ensuring that no Japanese survived making land after being sunk), the purgatory handed to subject 'comfort women', the beheading of captured airmen, and so on endlessly.... as perpetrated by our modern Allies, the Japanese.

Estimates of up to one million allied casualties from a landing on the Japanese mainland.... I say bomb 'em all, let god sort 'em out.

Crime against humanity was not enough bombs.

But that is now in the past..... let us move on - both sides.....

Footnote:-  I suppose the poster would have objected to sowing the Ho Chi Minh trail with radioactive waste to save American and Australian and South Vietnamese etc lives... a plan which was mooted......

When you go to war, the gloves are off... get used to it .. coming to a world near you.. soon!



"Colonel Paul Tibbets eased in the four throttles of the B-29, revving the massive engines to full power, then releasing the brake.  As the heavily laden aircraft slowly gathered speed down the runway, his co-pilot held the throttles hard against the stops to gain as much extra power as possible.. after all.... a similarly laden B-29 had crashed on takeoff just a week ago from the same runway...

Slowly the ungainly bird lifted off the ground and headed for its rendezvous with destiny.... a Japanese city similar to Dresden, which, having no significant war industries, had been largely spared the massive Allied bombing campaign, and to which the Germans, like the Japanese to Hiroshima, had sent their children ... for safety.....

What better way to bring home to the fanatical leadership of Japan that their campaigns of terror and death across the Pacific and in Asia had borne deadly fruit of their own creation - a deadly mushroom soup that would haunt humanity for eternity"......

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:


On Friday, June 22nd, 1945 - the Americans overcame the last pockets of resistance on Okinawa. During the period of conflict over the island, the Japanese suffered 120,000 dead - the US 12,500 dead and 35,000 wounded. Kyushu (Nov/1945) and Honshu (Mar/1946) were next on the American invasion plan.

Given their experiences on other islands occupied by the Japanese, they were understandably cautious when estimating their projected losses if they were to attempt to invade Japanese home turf. And duly horrified when they did the math.

So:

August 6th - Hiroshima bombed.

August 9th - Nagasaki bombed.

August 15th - Emperor Hirohito surrenders.

Who was that Japanese soldier pulled out of the jungle after 25 years? Still fighting! The Philippines, was it?

Too bad about the civilians, but the government at the time didn't seem to care. Or the fact that Japanese armies had killed a lot more Chinese than the Germans had killed Jews.

A HBO miniseries called 'The Pacific' offers some insights. If you thought 'Saving Private Ryan' was graphic, hang onto your hat!

Isn't it funny, that you never consider the Malayan Emergency as a 'war'. I suppose that viewpoint arises from your lack of appreciation of the risk faced by those who do the dirty work. One assumes that if it had been you who had been bayoneted 3 times while lying in a ditch and then waiting for aid, that you might hold different attitudes to those you express.

While you may express disagreement with the USA as regards foreign policy, your ignorance of the plight of those who answered the call to defend is somewhat chilling.

Never mind the signed-up casualties, eh?

Hirohito had already made the decision and the Americans knew it. They remain the only nation to use nuclear weapons, hardly an act of which to be proud.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:



Lionel,
You've got to be kidding.
We still live with nuclear weapons over our heads to this day.
The fact that an atom bomb was used by one power
to win a war changed our history forever.

It shows what we as humans are capable of doing -
and that is frightening.

As I said - it's amazing that we're even here to talk about it -
that there is anyone still left.

What about all the false alarms since then?
The Cuban missile crisis could have led to a nuclear war.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:


So they all deserve to die the? Does the same logic apply to the nations that started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

legitimate targets then?


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Wrong. It is deeply ingrained in the Australian psyche to sympathise with underdogs oppressed by nasty governments. It is probably borne out of the early convicts who were brutally mistreated by the pom government when they stole a loaf of bread to feed their starving families.

Of course a foreigner like you who is brought up in culture of sycophancy and subservience to the ruling classes and aristocracy wouldn't understand that.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:


I am motivated by a distaste for injustice - and I see plenty of it coming from the US nowadays.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:


I see people like you and Rupert Murdoch as traitors who would sell out Australia for American interests.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:


Ironically, you are the ethnic lecturing to a 5th generation Australian. If you don't like it here nick off back to the UK or wherever it is you claim to be from. Perhaps you can go get a passport from the US that you so desperately love - although I suspect that they wouldn't want you as you don't have enough money to buy a passport like Rupert did.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:


If you deliberately misrepresent my position, then there's no point in discussing things with you.

Did I say they 'all deserve to die'? Come on. Smarten yourself up or I'll just have to let you go.

My position is: If by sacrificing a few 'civilians' this strategy will shorten the war and save countless lives ~ then I believe this to be a legitimate and moral alternate to letting the war drag on with further loss of life, both civilian and military.

Bear in mind that the soldiers of a defending nation are as morally innocent as are their civilians.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:


Ah. Here's the Muslim speaking again.

How about you say a few words about how it was that during the Bosnian War Christian fighter pilots were strafing and dropping bombs onto Christian militia on behalf of Muslim Bosnians? Not a problem?

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:


Really? I'm surprised to hear you say that.

Was Saddam Hussein running a 'just-and-fair' Police State regime before the US & Co engineered a Representative Democracy in that country in which 8 million of its citizens lined up voluntarily to vote in their very first democratic election?

You're being very Muslim in your attitude. America ~ 'The Great Satan' ~ right?

What do you think the Egyptian mobs have been trying to achieve in recent months if not the outcome that the Americans achieved in Iraq?

What do you think the rebels in Syria are trying to achieve if not to rid themselves of a dictatorship as the Americans did in Iraq?

What do you think the American intervention in Afghanistan is attempting to achieve if not to equip and train the locals to fight against Taliban oppression?

Tell me True Colours ~ who is feeding your Muslim brain with hate messages about the US being the enemy of Islam? Your local imam? Your father and uncles?

Going through life with such a resentful and distorted view of the realities will not make for a happy life.

THINK FOR YOURSELF.

You've obviously been coached and tutored to believe that everything the Americans do is a plot against Muslims.

The current US president is pro-Palestinian. How does that sit with your prejudices against the US?

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:


True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:




I see people like you as being far more loyal to the politics of Islam than you being loyal to Australia continuing as a secular Western democracy where Islam is only a blip on the radar.

You people (not all) are very definitely sleeper-moles for the advancement of Islam in Australia. Ultimately you would like to see Islam predominate as the premier dominant political force in this country.

A great many of you should be in internment camps for exactly the same reason as the Italians and Germans were interned during the war.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:


When the chips are down, and some megalomaniac chooses to invade Australia ~ you'll be down at the American Embassy in Canberra with all the rest of us, begging the ambassador to tell the US administration to send troops to save our arse.

There are no atheists in trenches? There are no America-haters in trenches either, when our lives depend upon them.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:


My bags are already packed... and guess what? I'm sneaking some pig processed foods to eat on the plane. Bacon sandwiches. Pork liverwurst. Pork pies. Pork sausages. Pressed ham.