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Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:08pm

Today is a very important anniversary:

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/cbf4684f-b31a-4e87-a678-9288188b92d1.aspx

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Remembering Hiroshima day

August 06, 2013

It was August 6, 1945. Colonel Paul Tibbets eased the throttle of the Bomber B-29 Superfortress, “Enola Gay”. The aircraft picked up speed and lifted off into the dark night sky from the Tinian airbase, a small North Pacific island, dotting the Pacific Ocean, 1,500 miles south of Japan.

In the cargo bay of the bomber aircraft sat a 10-foot tall metal structure, code-named the “little boy” the first ever atom bomb, with 64kg uranium-235 at its core. Fifteen minutes into the flight, captain William S. Parsons started arming the device. The final countdown of a highly secret mission was on, a mission to test the destructive power of an atomic device. An atomic device had never been field-tested till then.

At 7:25 in the morning, the aircraft, flying at an altitude of 26,000 feet, reached its destination over the town of Hiroshima and started its final decent. At 8:16, it released the bomb which detonated at 1,900 feet above the ground. Colonel Tibbets, now back on his home run, saw a massive mushroom of smoke and felt the aftershocks.

The bomb flattened everything in a five-mile radius of the town, killing 70,000 people instantly, taking the lives of 80,000 more in the subsequent months. The destructive power of bombs is expressed in terms of TNT. One kilogramme of TNT can destroy everything in a 6x6 ft room. Thousand kilograms make a tonne. The Hiroshima blast had a power of 20,000 tonnes of TNT.

It's amazing we're still here after WW2.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111059 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day Reply #1 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:16pm
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day Reply #2 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:22pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:08pm: It's amazing we're still here after WW2 Lucky it was the Yanks that had the bomb and not the Japs hey.... The Bomb saved more lives than it took anyway.
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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #3 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

It's amazing we're still here after WW2

Lucky it was the Yanks that had the bomb and not the Japs hey.... Huh

The Bomb saved more lives than it took anyway.

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe.

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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #4 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #5 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #6 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

unfortunately, the Japanese didn't agree. yes, their war was lost but they weren't giving to give up without a bloodbath.

a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK. Hiroshima was barely a blip.

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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #7 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

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No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Wrong.

The bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima: 6 and 9 August 1945.

Emperor Hirohito announces surrender of Japan : Sept 1945.

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The surrender of the Empire of Japan on September 2, 1945, brought the hostilities of World War II to a close. By the end of July 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy was incapable of conducting operations and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders, (the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, also known as the "Big Six"), were privately making entreaties to the neutral Soviet Union to mediate peace on terms favorable to the Japanese. Meanwhile, the Soviets were preparing to attack the Japanese, in fulfillment of their promises to the United States and the United Kingdom made at the Tehran and Yalta Conferences.

There were thousands of allied prisoners working in slave conditions in Japan when the bombs were dropped.

The order from the Japanese High Command was that the moment allied forces made landfall in Japan, all the PoWs were to be killed.

Thousands worked in Japanese coal mines. Next to the ventilation shafts above the mine tunnels ~ 44 gallon drums of petrol were stored in readiness for the allied invasion.

Upon being told of allied landfall, the Japanese guards were to herd the prisoners into the mines and blast the entrances shut.

And then they were to pour the petrol down the shafts and set it all alight.

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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #9 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity.

The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history.

I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing.

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Reply #10 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:17pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK. Hiroshima was barely a blip.

Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian.

The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?

Millions! Math crime?

Try less than 1 mil japanese civilian deats by all forces against japan; now this is where your "millions" comes in, estimated civilians killed by japanese forces 5.5 to 30 million, mostly chinese.

Try reading a non-fiction book or at the very least try to do the same basic research as the rest of us.

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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #11 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:41pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

Try less than 1 mil japanese civilian deats by all forces against japan;

When you look at how much of Japanese cities were destroyed in firebombing, the less than 1 million figure doesn't seem very plausible

No wonder they say history is written by the victors.

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700,000 to 10,000,000 (variously estimated) — Japanese civilians died in WWII

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/peaceinthepacific/numbers

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Reply #12 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

Try less than 1 mil japanese civilian deats by all forces against japan;

When you look at how much of Japanese cities were destroyed in firebombing, the less than 1 million figure doesn't seem very plausible

No wonder they say history is written by the victors.

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700,000 to 10,000,000 (variously estimated) — Japanese civilians died in WWII

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/peaceinthepacific/numbers

History is always written by the victors it is one os the benefits of winning.

The japs killed a sh1t load more civvies than were killed by the allies, so they shouldn't complain too much, good thing they surrendered when they did or there would be a lot more than the various guesstimates around the place.

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Reply #13 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:47pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK. Hiroshima was barely a blip.

Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian.

The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?

And the Japanese Army killed millions of civilians all over asia. If they didn't want an A bomb dropped on them then they shouldn't of started the war.

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Reply #14 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:51pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK. Hiroshima was barely a blip.

Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian.

The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?

the aversion to bombing civilians in wartime is a recent thing. in WW2 both sides bombed civilians all the time. BOTH sides.

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