For the sake of some of the posters on this board, this footage is from the North Pole, and to anticipate some of your questions, I have no information at hand on the fate of Santa Claus or his elves

I'm just hanging out for the underwater volcano or sunken nuclear subs hypotheses 

Go on. Give me a laugh.

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:



And you complain that skeptics 'cherry pick' the data???????

This is the path that we're headed down:

muso wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:18am:



Which completely ignores the existence of any form of natural variation in the Earth's climate system.

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:


I heard that Santa lives in a bubble under the sea now, with all his Elves and Reindeer. Santa won't be coming down the chimney anymore, but up the S-bend of the nearest toilet.

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What on earth are you doing in Joanne Nova's bathroom?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Muso showed us an interesting video?  How is that "cherry picking' the data???????

Yes - it is acknowledged that the formation of lakes at the pole has happened before - but there is still no denying that the Actic icecap is decreasing rapidly.

It reached it's least extent on record in 2012 - and is rapidly approaching the same level in 2013:

Sea ice in the Arctic has shrunk to its smallest extent ever recorded, smashing the previous record minimum and prompting warnings of accelerated climate change.

Satellite images show that the rapid summer melt has reduced the area of frozen sea to less than 3.5 million square kilometres this week – less than half the area typically occupied four decades ago.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/14/arctic-sea-ice-smallest-exten...


During the first two weeks of July, ice extent declined at a rate of 132,000 square kilometers (51,000 square miles) per day. This was 61% faster than the average rate of decline over the period 1981 to 2010 of 82,000 square kilometers (32,000 square miles) per day.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

That is data.

Are you going to claim that that is "cherry picked"?

It makes the Daily Mail's columnists claim of "no warming in 15 years" seem pretty silly, doesn't it.

More alarmist nonsense. Who would have thought aye????????

Shameful to see this unfounded fraudulent unmitigated alarmism repeated.

Arctic Sea Ice Melt Slowdown Begins More Than One Month Early – And Absolute Dead Media Silence On Antarctica!

By P Gosselin on 3. August 2013


In the second half of June, global warming catastrophe worshippers were already salivating worse than Pavlov’s dogs when Arctic sea ice melt accelerated at a dizzying rate.

See the rest of it at http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/03/arctic-sea-ice-melt-slowdown-begins-more-than-one-month-early-and-absolute-dead-media-silence-on-antarctica/

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:


Stick to the point, if you want to refute any points made in the article please do so. If not, your personal vile is nothing but water (melted effing icecaps for all I care) off a ducks back.

Alternatively back up the op with some facts that this common ice melt is anything other than a normal seasonal garden type event, seen before and will be seen again...go on I dare you

Rider wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:


I was pointing out how absurd it is that greed and criminality can cause people like you to exist. I have no interest in having a sematics lawyering session with you. Climate change is a proven fact, no amount of packpedalling or cherry picking of data will change that. The only people in the world who pretend not to be worried about climate change, are people deriving money or power from the current status quo.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:


You could say the same (with interest) about the so called science and their army of useful idiots.

I suppose you think that all the warmists do their best work gratis.....nah, thought not, not when there is tax payers funded grants available for any scare conjured and sold to foolish governments and dribbler policy makers.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:


wow, the alarmists are lucky to have you on their side 

Rider wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

We are still waiting for you to explain why you posted that silly opinion piece without posting the graph it was "based" on, which showed very clearly that arctic ice extent in 2013, like the 6 years previous - was well below the 1979-2006 average.

Rider wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

We are still waiting for you to explain why you posted that silly opinion piece without posting the graph it was "based" on, which showed very clearly that arctic ice extent in 2013, like the 6 years previous - was well below the 1979-2006 average.

You called the fact that the Arctic ice cap is melting rapidly:
More alarmist nonsense. Who would have thought aye

Yet it is perfectly true - just as the silly opinion piece you posted showed - when one looked at the data that opinion piece was based on.

Do you understand anything about what you post?

Or do you just want to live in complete denial of the clear and unambiguous rapid melting of teh arctic ice cap?

Are you gong to explain why you poset that silly opinion piece?  Or will you now just run away?

alarmist propoganda is worth nothing.

Lakes are natural at that time of the year so stop trying to scare everyone.

last year was the worst in a while and it doesn't look like we're going to get down to that level this year.

Seriously if your going to prsent something how about all the facts.

Instead its announced as though its a first and we're all going to drown!

BTW all this melt off and no rise in sea level????

Retracted due to inaccuracies and borderline fraud.

Perhaps the op can do the same. What do you reckon Muso? or do you need to read it in peer reviewed scientific journalese?

Seems the global fear and frustration alarmist stand is falling into desperate times. Artic is going gang busters freezing at the moment, and not a headline in sight 


Title : ELIMINATION North Pole Lake

Caption : EDITORS, PHOTO EDITORS, AND PHOTO LIBRARIANS – PLEASE ELIMINATE AP PHOTO NY109 THAT WAS SENT ON SATURDAY, JULY 27, 2013. THE CAPTION INACCURATELY STATED THAT ‘THE SHALLOW MELTWATER LAKE IS OCCURRING DUE TO AN UNUSUALLY WARM PERIOD.’ IN FACT, THE WATER ACCUMULATES IN THIS WAY EVERY SUMMER. IN ADDITION, THE IMAGES DO NOT NECESSARILY SHOW CONDITIONS AT THE NORTH POLE, BECAUSE THE WEATHER BUOY CARRYING THE CAMERA USED BY THE NORTH POLE ENVIRONMENTAL OBSERVATORY HAS DRIFTED HUNDREDS OF MILES FROM ITS ORIGINAL POSITION, WHICH WAS A FEW DOZEN MILES FROM THE POLE- This frame grab provided by NOAA shows images from the wide-angle camera trained on a weather buoy maintained by the North Pole Environmental Observatory at the North Pole. The top image is a June 7, 2013 frame grab. The bottom image is a July 25, 2013 frame grab. (AP Photo/NOAA)

Source: http://foto.agerpres.ro/index.php?i=7147048

Slowest Arctic Melt On Record

Posted on August 10, 2013      by stevengoddard      


The past two weeks normally produce the fastest Arctic ice loss of the year, about 750,000 km². This year, less than half that much ice melted.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/slowest-arctic-melt-on-record/


Maybe Muso can have a look at some of these facts - or do you need to have your literature 'pal reviewed' to make it fit your warming scare mongering 

muso wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 8:28am:


and 1981-2010 isn't cherry picking 

I made no reference to any long term natural variations, so the time frame mentioned is irrelevant. Or as you like to point out, a strawman argument. Now was that a peer pal reviewed strawman or not???

Rider wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am:


Exactly. That's the precise problem. You should have been looking at long term trends in sea ice instead of focusing on a two week period.

I don't think I made any particular arguments in the opening post. Read it again. It was just an interesting video intended to initiate discussion. Which part of the OP did you think was alarmist propaganda? Maybe you thought the part about Santa Claus was alarmist.  Is that it?

The main issue here is long term reduction in sea ice.

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Have a guess which year he's referring to. Hint: There is nothing normal about it.

Ajax wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:


Your conclusion is right, but to get to that conclusion you need to consider what volume of water is displaced by an iceberg of a given mass, then consider the volume of that mass of ice as liquid water.

We were talking about melting sea ice and you came up with this:

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:54am:


My reply was intended to highlight the fact that you wouldn't expect much sea level rise from melting sea ice. Melting Arctic sea ice does not contribute significantly to sea-level rise