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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #30 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:54am

alarmist propoganda is worth nothing.

Lakes are natural at that time of the year so stop trying to scare everyone.

last year was the worst in a while and it doesn't look like we're going to get down to that level this year.

Seriously if your going to prsent something how about all the facts.

Instead its announced as though its a first and we're all going to drown!

BTW all this melt off and no rise in sea level????

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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #31 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:57am

Every day it seems a new scare is rolled out, and within a week or so, debunked....if the climate science was so good, so irrefutable, why do you warmists have to resort to these sorts of tactics???

Scientist or Activist????? Sick of seeing tax payers funding this utter nonsense - billions blown - sopping up our money is the only catastrophe on this planet.

http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/06/danish-meteorological-institute-arctic-sea-ice-now-1-7-million-square-kilometers-over-last-year/

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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #32 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 9:42am

Retracted due to inaccuracies and borderline fraud.

Perhaps the op can do the same. What do you reckon Muso? or do you need to read it in peer reviewed scientific journalese?

Seems the global fear and frustration alarmist stand is falling into desperate times. Artic is going gang busters freezing at the moment, and not a headline in sight Roll Eyes

Title : ELIMINATION North Pole Lake

Caption : EDITORS, PHOTO EDITORS, AND PHOTO LIBRARIANS – PLEASE ELIMINATE AP PHOTO NY109 THAT WAS SENT ON SATURDAY, JULY 27, 2013. THE CAPTION INACCURATELY STATED THAT ‘THE SHALLOW MELTWATER LAKE IS OCCURRING DUE TO AN UNUSUALLY WARM PERIOD.’ IN FACT, THE WATER ACCUMULATES IN THIS WAY EVERY SUMMER. IN ADDITION, THE IMAGES DO NOT NECESSARILY SHOW CONDITIONS AT THE NORTH POLE, BECAUSE THE WEATHER BUOY CARRYING THE CAMERA USED BY THE NORTH POLE ENVIRONMENTAL OBSERVATORY HAS DRIFTED HUNDREDS OF MILES FROM ITS ORIGINAL POSITION, WHICH WAS A FEW DOZEN MILES FROM THE POLE- This frame grab provided by NOAA shows images from the wide-angle camera trained on a weather buoy maintained by the North Pole Environmental Observatory at the North Pole. The top image is a June 7, 2013 frame grab. The bottom image is a July 25, 2013 frame grab. (AP Photo/NOAA)

Source: http://foto.agerpres.ro/index.php?i=7147048

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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #33 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 9:04pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

BTW all this melt off and no rise in sea level????

Ajax. Try this experiment at home. Put a large lump of ice in a glass of water and mark the level of the water. Let the ice melt and check the level again. (You can even try it with salty water and a fresh water ice cube. It won't make that much difference.)

Explain the results and stop embarrassing yourself with every post.

Roll Eyes

Does melting sea ice cause sea level changes?
(What does Watts say?)

Does melting continental ice sheet cause sea level change?

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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #34 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 8:17am

Slowest Arctic Melt On Record

Posted on August 10, 2013 by stevengoddard

The past two weeks normally produce the fastest Arctic ice loss of the year, about 750,000 km². This year, less than half that much ice melted.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/slowest-arctic-melt-on-record/

Maybe Muso can have a look at some of these facts - or do you need to have your literature 'pal reviewed' to make it fit your warming scare mongering Roll Eyes

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013 Reply #35 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 8:28am That's called cherry picking. A whole two weeks. Wow! We are not worthy. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. It's still well below the 1981-2010 average.
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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #36 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am

muso wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 8:28am:

That's called cherry picking. A whole two weeks. Wow! We are not worthy.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. It's still well below the 1981-2010 average.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/08/Figure2-350x280.png

and 1981-2010 isn't cherry picking Grin

I made no reference to any long term natural variations, so the time frame mentioned is irrelevant. Or as you like to point out, a strawman argument. Now was that a peer pal reviewed strawman or not???

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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #38 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 12:10pm

Rider wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

I made no reference to any long term natural variations, so the time frame mentioned is irrelevant.

Exactly. That's the precise problem. You should have been looking at long term trends in sea ice instead of focusing on a two week period.

I don't think I made any particular arguments in the opening post. Read it again. It was just an interesting video intended to initiate discussion. Which part of the OP did you think was alarmist propaganda? Maybe you thought the part about Santa Claus was alarmist. Is that it?

The main issue here is long term reduction in sea ice.

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The past two weeks normally produce the fastest Arctic ice loss of the year, about 750,000 km².

Have a guess which year he's referring to. Hint: There is nothing normal about it.

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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #39 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

muso wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

BTW all this melt off and no rise in sea level????

Ajax. Try this experiment at home. Put a large lump of ice in a glass of water and mark the level of the water. Let the ice melt and check the level again. (You can even try it with salty water and a fresh water ice cube. It won't make that much difference.)

Explain the results and stop embarrassing yourself with every post.

Roll Eyes

Does melting sea ice cause sea level changes?
(What does Watts say?)

Does melting continental ice sheet cause sea level change?

You really are a checky dude.

How much of an ice burg is underwater.........

What is it 1/9 or 7/8......................whatever

The fact remains that most of the ice burg is underwater and we only see a very small percentage on top of the water.

When water freezes it expands.........

The density of water is approx. 1000 litres/m3

or one litre of water is equal to one kilogram.

The density of ice is approx. 920 litres/m3

or one litre of ice is equal to 0.92 kilograms.

Therefore ice expands approximately by about 8 to 9% of the volume of water.

The rest is easy.

Like I said only glaciers on mountain rangers can really affect the level of the oceans.

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Re: The North Pole Lake - up to July 2013
Reply #40 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Like I said only glaciers on mountain rangers can really affect the level of the oceans.

Your conclusion is right, but to get to that conclusion you need to consider what volume of water is displaced by an iceberg of a given mass, then consider the volume of that mass of ice as liquid water.

We were talking about melting sea ice and you came up with this:

Ajax wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

BTW all this melt off and no rise in sea level????

My reply was intended to highlight the fact that you wouldn't expect much sea level rise from melting sea ice. Melting Arctic sea ice does not contribute significantly to sea-level rise

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