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Reply #345 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:05pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
I'm an Anarchist.


So Grey you would be a member of the Melbourne Anarchist Communist Group, or are you just singular?
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Reply #346 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 7:35am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 8:46pm:
There are good reasons for doing this. In Europe, the plagues and great fires required complex planning. In Europe, there is before the plague, and after it. Public health created modern city planning. It created new classes and new relationships and new forms of being and excluding and interracting.

Multiculturalism is an extention of this form of planning, and yes, very Malthusian.

But all economics is. Economics, for want of a better definition, is about bringing the good to the greatest number. In its strictest utilitarian sense, it’s about minimizing pain, disease, poverty, vice, strife, class struggle. If there’s a positive definition in Western terms, I’m unsure of it.


Very odd. You're missing out the greatest influence which is romantic nationalism, which was the precursor to the modern 'celebration' or 'pride' in one's culture or ethnicity. This can all be traced back to Johann Herder.
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Reply #347 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 7:43am
 
Grey wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
Conservative? Yes i am sometimes, but racist never. I'm an Anarchist.


There are different categories of racism ~ something you haven't realised yet.

I too will accept anyone for who they are as a person, regardless of skin-colour.

But then I also recognise that when Negroes or Muslim Arabs or Aborigines come to live together in large numbers in urban ghettoes in white-majority societies ~ then it's a case of "Houston, we've got a problem".

These become hubs of crime and violence that are NO-GO areas to taxis at night. Ambulances called to these ghettoes need police escort to deter the locals from throwing bricks and bottles at the paramedics.

And God help a young un-hijabed white woman venturing naively into these areas.

In Paris the police no longer go into the project housing at night.

There's the individual ~ and then there's the Group-Think, colony-insect, urban tribalist blacks and Muslims.



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Reply #348 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 9:26am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:42pm:
I don’t think Herbie intended to flatter, Grey.


I wasn't giving Mr G any flatulence.

I was simply using approving words to encourage him to keep to the Right path towards ultimate Self Realisation and nationalistic fervour for the Anglosphere of the English-speaking countries.

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Re: Britain's experience of immigration & Multiculti
Reply #349 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 3:58pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 7:35am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 8:46pm:
There are good reasons for doing this. In Europe, the plagues and great fires required complex planning. In Europe, there is before the plague, and after it. Public health created modern city planning. It created new classes and new relationships and new forms of being and excluding and interracting.

Multiculturalism is an extention of this form of planning, and yes, very Malthusian.

But all economics is. Economics, for want of a better definition, is about bringing the good to the greatest number. In its strictest utilitarian sense, it’s about minimizing pain, disease, poverty, vice, strife, class struggle. If there’s a positive definition in Western terms, I’m unsure of it.


Very odd. You're missing out the greatest influence which is romantic nationalism, which was the precursor to the modern 'celebration' or 'pride' in one's culture or ethnicity. This can all be traced back to Johann Herder.


Thanks, Mistie, you’re right. A romanticist Prussian philosopher who had a big influence on the Nazis.

I missed that one.
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Reply #350 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 4:29pm
 
Not only the Nazis, but every ethnicity today that speaks of "self-determination" is rooted in the ideas he wrote about. The Nazis are only the most obvious and most spoken about example of it.
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Reply #351 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 5:07pm
 
I don’t imagine he influenced many Pakistanis, Mistie, do you?

I’d never heard about such Prussian nationalist sentiments until your post. Romantic nationalism you say?

Maybe we should ask the old boy. He’s a Hun. He likes Danish, you know.

If Johann Herder influenced Geert Wilders, he’d be a big fan. You?
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Reply #352 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 8:02pm
 
I am sure you've heard of the Romantic movement? Around the same time nationalism became popular. The two were then mixed together by certain intellectuals.
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Reply #353 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 10:58pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
If you are an anarchist then it's highly likely you are not a conservative.  But highly likely you favour multiculturalism.


Anarchists are more interested in political structure than manifestos. I don't regard multiculturalism with any favour. But racism Anarchists regard as self-evidently stupid.
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Reply #354 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 11:06pm
 
Adamant wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:05pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
I'm an Anarchist.


So Grey you would be a member of the Melbourne Anarchist Communist Group, or are you just singular?


I'd never join a group that defined itself any further than Anarchist. If you have a group agenda on issues, you've missed the point. I retain contact with London Anarchists.
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Reply #355 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 11:14pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 7:43am:
Grey wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
Conservative? Yes i am sometimes, but racist never. I'm an Anarchist.


There are different categories of racism ~ something you haven't realised yet.

I too will accept anyone for who they are as a person, regardless of skin-colour.

But then I also recognise that when Negroes or Muslim Arabs or Aborigines come to live together in large numbers in urban ghettoes in white-majority societies ~ then it's a case of "Houston, we've got a problem".

These become hubs of crime and violence that are NO-GO areas to taxis at night. Ambulances called to these ghettoes need police escort to deter the locals from throwing bricks and bottles at the paramedics.

And God help a young un-hijabed white woman venturing naively into these areas.

In Paris the police no longer go into the project housing at night.

There's the individual ~ and then there's the Group-Think, colony-insect, urban tribalist blacks and Muslims.


If there wasn't any ethnicities you'd invent them Herbert. Marginalised people huddle together in ghettos. When the people are not marginalised the ghettos evaporate. 
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Reply #356 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 11:39pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 8:02pm:
I am sure you've heard of the Romantic movement? Around the same time nationalism became popular. The two were then mixed together by certain intellectuals.


Only a Hun could turn a Roussauean sentiment on South Sea Islanders and noble savages into Prussian nationalism, Mistie.

Your Englishman wouldn’t do it - too empirical and practical. Nor your Frenchman - too cynical. Your Italian - too busy cooking.

Your Hun? Technocratic and idealist in the same breath. Sentimental, cold blooded and hot-headed - a culture where clockwork and precision are set in earth and blood.

We’re one Europe now, Mistie. Rich tapestry, innit.
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Reply #357 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 8:22am
 
Grey wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 11:14pm:
If there wasn't any ethnicities you'd invent them Herbert. Marginalised people huddle together in ghettos. When the people are not marginalised the ghettos evaporate. 


'Marginalised' ~ my arse.

There are immigrant ethnicities who have a work ethic, and there are immigrant ethnicities for whom work is anathema.

The more patriarchal their background culture, the less inclined they are to put their hand to a piece of work.

Hence we have The Usual Suspects predominating in bone-idle occupations such as body-guards, strip-joint bouncers, corner shop convenience stores, taxi-drivers, security guards, hotel doormen, lift-operators, brothel receptionists, hospital orderlies, and O yes ~ crime.

ANY damn job that requires the least amount of energy and the most amount of do-nothing time for a wage.

And those among them who can't find a vacancy in one of these bone-bloody-idle occupations remain permanently on the dole which they supplement with petty crime of a drug dealing nature. The more clever among them manage to up their dole income by transferring to the Disability Support Pension.

The 'marginalisation' is ALL self-engendered as a product of generational sloth and 'macho' idleness in the men ~ as a cultural imperative.

In The Usual Suspect cultures it's actually shameful for a man to be seen labouring and sweating for a living. It loses 'face'. That's why all over the Muslim countries there are legions and legions of Indians and Filipinos doing all the heavy-lifting. 

Explorer Richard Burton wrote back to Queen Victoria that no effort should be made to colonise Egypt because the men were generationally habituated to a bone-idle life-style and could not be depended upon to do any productive work in any trade agreements with that country.

That was in total contrast to India and China where a strong work ethic has always existed.

Ghettoes are refuges for the lazy and the criminal who refuse to integrate and assimilate in the same way as the vast majority of ethnic immigrants do. 

 


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Reply #358 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 1:46pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 10:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
If you are an anarchist then it's highly likely you are not a conservative.  But highly likely you favour multiculturalism.


Anarchists are more interested in political structure than manifestos. I don't regard multiculturalism with any favour. But racism Anarchists regard as self-evidently stupid.

I regard anyone who thinks culture=race as absolutely stupid.  Roll Eyes
I regard anyone who thinks being anti-multiculti is racist, needs to be locked up in a padded room with a tight fitting straight jacket...  Cheesy
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Reply #359 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 2:00pm
 
I doubt you know exactly what you believe in Grey. You are a populist more than you are an anarchist. As long as onlookers perceive you to be magnanimous, that's all you are concerned with.
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