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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #180 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:52am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:55pm:

cods wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

There were people on here happy that Thomson would get away with it and stay in parliament just to stop Tony Abbott winning a no confidence vote.

There seems some very light morality these days.

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

Very important for Australia to stop the TAbbott danger.

yeah... bugger that whole democracy thing!

I was just thinking longy if the libs were in govt and mid stream they changed the leader so everyone had a new PM who was busy running round changing things and doing god only knows what in haste>??? without any mandate whatever..

do you think our friends from the left would be screaming by now for an election?

or would that not be democracy labor style

You don't remember when Howard promised to hand over the Costello mid term? Think it would have been a sensible change? They should have done it and no problem from me at all.

I would have liked to see how he would have been in the top job.

I liked Costello too but howard's position was that if he was unwilling to fight for the job then he didn't have what it took to survive in it. and given that as soon as the Libs lost govt he turned around a quit pretty much proves the assertion. The job of leader was his on a plate and he knocked it back. good chance he would be PM now instead of Rudd and looking for his second term.

howard's position was that if he was unwilling to fight for the job then he didn't have what it took to survive in it

What a load of rubbish - Howard power hungry position was that if he could get and then keep the job then his word meant very little.

and Hawke/Keating, Rudd/Gillard and Gillard/Rudd were what exactly??

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #181 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:53am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

cods wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

I dispute that dna..

THOMO put himself out there to be voted in as an MP....

Williamson and Jackson did not..

dont you think we have every right to believe anyone that is an MP.. is at the least HONEST and above BEING DRAGGED THROUGH THE COURTS FOR STEALING.

you seem to believe that being a member of parliament should give him or anyone I guess special treatment..

I dont happen to believe that in fact I expect Better if not MORE from our members and I dont care which side they are on..

maybe its time you started expecting more instead of always finding and excuse for their behavior...

if he had been in the private sector... even a copper he would have been suspended from day one....

sorry if its a crime to expect more from our parliamentarians..

and there you have it Cods, albeit by accident, but you've finally gotten something right. Despite the fact that, from the looks of it, Thommo, Williamson And Jackson have all appeared to have been drinking from the same trough, the only one you care about is Thommo.

Does the fact that Jackson and Williamson appear to have been guilty of the same thing not matter? Why? Is it because they can't help abbot win government.

there is a HIGHER standard for MPs. I don't know why you don't know that.

Yes if you are not an MP you are allowed to steal and the laws don't matter. But of course if you are a Liberal MP then the laws don't matter anyway.

Why is it as soon as you start taking of HIGHER STANDARDS or PRINCIPLES labor supports suddenly seem unable to understand the argument.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #182 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

wow... I never knew that!!!

the point was that he has been investigated several times and now facing both civil and criminal charges. That hardly amounts to the smell of innocence and integrity, does it. plenty of politicians and senior employees in large companies have stepped aside once charged with such things as a matter of honesty and integrity and come back once the charges were defeated.

but no thommo. but always good to see you lot defending such behaviour. it explains so much.

Well, now you do know that.

Also, being "investigated several times and now facing both civil and criminal charges" is not the same as being convicted of a crime.

And finally, I'm not "defending such behaviour". Quite the opposite: if he's found guilty on these charges he should have the book thrown at him. No sympathy at all.

So far though, no conviction.

We'll all wait and see. Unless, of course, you'd rather just do away with our court system. Roll Eyes

If this were a court of law you would have a point. But last time I looked, it was an OPINION forum where people are permitted and encouraged to hold an opinion on the basis of what they have seen and heard. Thommo is scum.

and just for a matter of philosophy. Thommos guilt or innocence is actually not determined by a court of law. he is one or the other regardless of what happens. The court merely makes its own determination and then proceeds to punishment or not based on that. it does not however mean that a court declaring a person innocent actually makes them innocent. That might be more philosophical rather than practical, but it is true nonetheless.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #183 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:01am

cods wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Thommo is a sleaze, a crook and he ripped off HSU members...he should be put in jail for a very very long time.

And anyone that supports him is just as bad as he is

I would neither SUPPORT - nor CONDEMN - Craig Thomson, for the same reasons I neither SUPPORTED - nor CONDEMNED - Lindy Chamberlain

SOMETIMES, I feel, I stand alone, in having less faith in POLITICS and the MEDIA - than I do in our JUSTICE SYSTEM

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YOU ARE SUCH A VISIONARY Grin

funny how you seemed to support the labor party through thick and thin not that long ago?????.

all things Labor were A.OK

even pinkbatts.. less fires in roofs remember??

when it comes to loss of faith.. for me the Justice system hits the top 10..

now an Anita Cobby murderer looks to being out on parole...

whats with giving people found guilty of murder parole??????..

do they of all people deserve a reward????? Angry

You would do well to research what parole is actually for. it is in part a reward for good behaviour and in part a start of the process of reintegration into society. He has nearly paid the price for his crime. Unless we are willing to keep all criminals locked up permanently, then parole is going to be a big part of the justice system

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #184 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:02am

longy some idiots on here think this is the media.. and by some quirk we have POWER on trials.. Grin

do you think they are up themselves?

maybe they see themselves as being more important/ influential than they ever dreamed???

hilarious..shows how thick some are.

I am still waiting for a lefty to come up with a plausible reason for him to found not guilty of 174 charges...or whatever amount he is contesting... instead of just banging on about.. innocent until as we keep pointing out the man is an MP we are still paying him.. we are entitled???

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #185 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am

John Smith wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

cods wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

I dispute that dna..

THOMO put himself out there to be voted in as an MP....

Williamson and Jackson did not..

dont you think we have every right to believe anyone that is an MP.. is at the least HONEST and above BEING DRAGGED THROUGH THE COURTS FOR STEALING.

you seem to believe that being a member of parliament should give him or anyone I guess special treatment..

I dont happen to believe that in fact I expect Better if not MORE from our members and I dont care which side they are on..

maybe its time you started expecting more instead of always finding and excuse for their behavior...

if he had been in the private sector... even a copper he would have been suspended from day one....

sorry if its a crime to expect more from our parliamentarians..

and there you have it Cods, albeit by accident, but you've finally gotten something right. Despite the fact that, from the looks of it, Thommo, Williamson And Jackson have all appeared to have been drinking from the same trough, the only one you care about is Thommo.

Does the fact that Jackson and Williamson appear to have been guilty of the same thing not matter? Why? Is it because they can't help abbot win government.

there is a HIGHER standard for MPs. I don't know why you don't know that.

what a pathetic excuse ...what sort of higher standard do you set for Abbott? not just an MP, but the leader of the liberals and the man most likely to be our next PM ..... do you hold his abusing the system and taxpayers of $9000 to a higher standard? Don't you think he should be held to the highest standard, second only to the PM?

besides, Thommo wasn't a MP at the time of the alleged incidents. Admit it dopey, if Abbott was in govt. it would have barely got a mention

A) Thommo was still using his union credit card when he was an MP. I cant wait to see how you excuse that.
B) Abbotts repayment was similar to many other MPs who have been asked to repay amounts that didn't fall within the guidelines. it is actually pretty common experience. There is a difference between missing a guideline and blatantly rorting a system. or have you not realised that even labor hasn't made a big issue out of it either?? perhaps because half the front bench has had similar experience?

A) I don't excuse anything you fvcken moron. Do you believe in trial by media longy?

B) It was Abbott who was pushing for slipper to be charged for falsely claiming $750 ..... don't move the goal posts just because your idiol has now been caught

it would be easier to debate with you if you understood the substance of the argument. ask yourself the question as to why the police investigated and charged Slipper while they have not charged anyone of the dozens asked to make repayments in allowances in the last few years??? Could perhaps the reason be one of INTENT??

Try and think about it.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #186 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:10am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

wow... I never knew that!!!

the point was that he has been investigated several times and now facing both civil and criminal charges. That hardly amounts to the smell of innocence and integrity, does it. plenty of politicians and senior employees in large companies have stepped aside once charged with such things as a matter of honesty and integrity and come back once the charges were defeated.

but no thommo. but always good to see you lot defending such behaviour. it explains so much.

Well, now you do know that.

Also, being "investigated several times and now facing both civil and criminal charges" is not the same as being convicted of a crime.

And finally, I'm not "defending such behaviour". Quite the opposite: if he's found guilty on these charges he should have the book thrown at him. No sympathy at all.

So far though, no conviction.

We'll all wait and see. Unless, of course, you'd rather just do away with our court system. Roll Eyes

If this were a court of law you would have a point. But last time I looked, it was an OPINION forum where people are permitted and encouraged to hold an opinion on the basis of what they have seen and heard. Thommo is scum.

Yes, I'm sure you form many opinions based on your observations of the Bolt Report and Channel 7 "News".

Thankfully, that's where you and I differ.

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Reply #187 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:12am

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it would be easier to debate with you if you understood the substance of the argument. ask yourself the question as to why the police investigated and charged Slipper while they have not charged anyone of the dozens asked to make repayments in allowances in the last few years??? Could perhaps the reason be one of INTENT??

Try and think about it.

Melielongtime, the person who has no idea is you, and the biggest giggle is that it seems you have no idea that you have no idea.

Slipper was charged and Abbott has not been charged, not because of intent, but because someone referred Slipper's matter by way of complaint to the AFP!

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Reply #188 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:12am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

The job of an opposition is to hold the govermemt to account, represent their constituents and to provide a viable alternative.

It is not to dismantle a sitting government with sleaze and innuendo, nor miss represent the true position of the economy.

How many times did they attempt to suspend standing orders?

Abbots junk yard dog routine has gone on long enough and has done nothing to portray our leaders to a positive light.

I hope we get another hung parliament to teach the barstards a lesson that if they want to play the man and not the ball we will elect neither of them again.

oh please... do you spend your days watching Play School? You are behaving as if every labor opposition has not done exactly the same thing and worse. When you talk about the Libs misrepresenting the state of the economy you fail to state that Labor - IN GOVT - has done just that and far worse. How can a budget go from small surplus to massive deficit in a couple months without deliberate misrepresentation?

But mostly, I am amused and disappointed that you seme to understand little of the true nature of politics which is and has always been... A FIGHT.

You must hate our legal system too. it is essentially the same thing.

You see this is the difference between you and I.

You accept the behaviour because you like to point at the other side and say "but they did it too".

I was thinking you you might be a bit more visionary and expect our pollies to make themselves more accountable and to behaviour in a manner which they are elected to be - leaders.

I dont accept poor form because the others guys did it too. It is never an excuse, and by condoning it you are giving them a green tick to be dishonest as long as the end justifies the means.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #189 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:34am

cods wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Thommo is a sleaze, a crook and he ripped off HSU members...he should be put in jail for a very very long time.

And anyone that supports him is just as bad as he is

I would neither SUPPORT - nor CONDEMN - Craig Thomson, for the same reasons I neither SUPPORTED - nor CONDEMNED - Lindy Chamberlain

SOMETIMES, I feel, I stand alone, in having less faith in POLITICS and the MEDIA - than I do in our JUSTICE SYSTEM

YOU ARE SUCH A VISIONARY

funny how you seemed to support the labor party through thick and thin not that long ago ?????.

( ... I support them on MOST things, baring in mind the alternative)

even pinkbatts.. less fires in roofs remember??

Can't you ( ... or Tony Abbott) pronounce or SPELL ceil·ing in·su·la·tion ?

( ... though thank-you for your observations. I try my BEST to remain "JUST")

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

DESPITE the anti-Government
BULLSH!T
spun by the right-wing media - and right-wing of politics - the

Home Insulation Program

WAS a documented success

1/ It was responsible for completing the laying of domestic insulation over large tracts of the nation that previously WEREN'T
Not just reducing heating and cooling costs to low-income families and upwards - but having a DOCUMENTED, positive impact on carbon emissions

2/ It was responsible for introducing the FIRST EVER set of safety standards and licencing to an industry that was previously un-regulated
The outcome was - with a FOURTEEN fold increase in installations - a DOUBLING of related house-fires
, work-place incidents - and one can only project ( ... as comparable figures were not published) a severe DROP in related work-place fatalities

The project was dropped due to MEDIA NEGATIVITY

100 house fires and 4 deaths on a project of this dimension is, statistically, a "good figure"
But NO politician is going to say that to someone who has lost their home - or to a parent, that has lost a child

NO-ONE would

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #190 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

wow... I never knew that!!!

the point was that he has been investigated several times and now facing both civil and criminal charges. That hardly amounts to the smell of innocence and integrity, does it. plenty of politicians and senior employees in large companies have stepped aside once charged with such things as a matter of honesty and integrity and come back once the charges were defeated.

but no thommo. but always good to see you lot defending such behaviour. it explains so much.

Well, now you do know that.

Also, being "investigated several times and now facing both civil and criminal charges" is not the same as being convicted of a crime.

And finally, I'm not "defending such behaviour". Quite the opposite: if he's found guilty on these charges he should have the book thrown at him. No sympathy at all.

So far though, no conviction.

We'll all wait and see. Unless, of course, you'd rather just do away with our court system. Roll Eyes

If this were a court of law you would have a point. But last time I looked, it was an OPINION forum where people are permitted and encouraged to hold an opinion on the basis of what they have seen and heard. Thommo is scum.

Yes, I'm sure you form many opinions based on your observations of the Bolt Report and Channel 7 "News".

Thankfully, that's where you and I differ.

how about you tell us righties where we should get our information from??..

where do you get yours..??????..not the same webs as wiseone I trust?...hehehehehe..

people do have the right to form which ever opinion they like.. yours are just as prejudiced as anyone elses on here...

forums are for swapping information..it isnt perfect and if you are looking for that I guess you have chosen the wrong place.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #191 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am

Aussie wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

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it would be easier to debate with you if you understood the substance of the argument. ask yourself the question as to why the police investigated and charged Slipper while they have not charged anyone of the dozens asked to make repayments in allowances in the last few years??? Could perhaps the reason be one of INTENT??

Try and think about it.

Melielongtime, the person who has no idea is you, and the biggest giggle is that it seems you have no idea that you have no idea.

Slipper was charged and Abbott has not been charged, not because of intent, but because someone referred Slipper's matter by way of complaint to the AFP!

*Click on the words 'someone referred Slipper's matter by way of complaint to the AFP.'*

slipper has been lodging false cabchgs and handing out blank cabchgs for a long time aussie..it is usually the same thing he has been done for in the past... just a different tacktic..

abbott I believe was a one off..as were other MPs who have had to return wrongly claimed exps...whether slipper was dobbed in or not is neither here nor there..he also had a petition from his constituents regarding his questionable travel..

when he was on our side only.. he was the worst of the worst..now all of a sudden.. he is St Peter... only for some dobber... who has no right to dob this poor man in..

you dont like being called the BUSH LAWYER how about you stop calling others names..

btw I think you will find slippper would have only ever been caught when someone dobbed him in,.the man is a sleaze just like THOMO....as long as someone else is paying they dont give a sh!t.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #192 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:34am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

cods wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Thommo is a sleaze, a crook and he ripped off HSU members...he should be put in jail for a very very long time.

And anyone that supports him is just as bad as he is

I would neither SUPPORT - nor CONDEMN - Craig Thomson, for the same reasons I neither SUPPORTED - nor CONDEMNED - Lindy Chamberlain

SOMETIMES, I feel, I stand alone, in having less faith in POLITICS and the MEDIA - than I do in our JUSTICE SYSTEM

YOU ARE SUCH A VISIONARY

funny how you seemed to support the labor party through thick and thin not that long ago ?????.

( ... I support them on MOST things, baring in mind the alternative)

even pinkbatts.. less fires in roofs remember??

Can't you ( ... or Tony Abbott) pronounce or SPELL ceil·ing in·su·la·tion ?

( ... though thank-you for your observations. I try my BEST to remain "JUST")

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

DESPITE the anti-Government
BULLSH!T
spun by the right-wing media - and right-wing of politics - the

Home Insulation Program

WAS a documented success

1/ It was responsible for completing the laying of domestic insulation over large tracts of the nation that previously WEREN'T
Not just reducing heating and cooling costs to low-income families and upwards - but having a DOCUMENTED, positive impact on carbon emissions

2/ It was responsible for introducing the FIRST EVER set of safety standards and licencing to an industry that was previously un-regulated
The outcome was - with a FOURTEEN fold increase in installations - a DOUBLING of related house-fires
, work-place incidents - and one can only project ( ... as comparable figures were not published) a severe DROP in related work-place fatalities

The project was dropped due to MEDIA NEGATIVITY

100 house fires and 4 deaths on a project of this dimension is, statistically, a "good figure"
But NO politician is going to say that to someone who has lost their home - or to a parent, that has lost a child

NO-ONE would

I WILL REMEMBER WHEN I AM NOT DEALING WITH AN UTTER PIG.

in the meantime.>

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PINKBATTS

PINKBATTS

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #193 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:56am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

There were people on here happy that Thomson would get away with it and stay in parliament just to stop Tony Abbott winning a no confidence vote.

There seems some very light morality these days.

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote.

yeah... bugger that whole democracy thing!

Where was that whole

"democracy thing"

in December, 2008 - when the allegations first went on the public record ?

No-one had HEARD of him - prior to the current hung parliament

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Reply #194 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 12:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am: